Non-Muslims,whats your view?

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19:88]They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
19:89]Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
19:90]At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
19:91]That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
19:92]For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
19:93]Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a ''servant.''

even jesus
 
Sojourn said:
To redeem mankind
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then would you say that was a failure since theres still so much sin and he will still have to judge?

indian. God is Superior to the creation and above mankind.
 
amani said:
then would you say that was a failure since theres still so much sin and he will still have to judge?

indian. God is Superior to the creation and above mankind.
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Then how does he know everything about us.
The fact is he is hadra hadur.
 
Abdullahii said:
19:88]They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
19:89]Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
19:90]At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
19:91]That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
19:92]For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
19:93]Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a ''servant.''

even jesus
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It depends on what "begotten" means. Humans beget humans through a sexual union. The Quran appears to suggest that Christians believe Jesus came about through a sexual union between God and a woman, and such a thing would truly be monstrous and blasphemous. But that's not what Christians believe. The generation of the Son from the Father is nothing like human generation, in fact the closest resemblance of it is in the human mind. The Son proceeds from the Father the way an idea proceeds from the intellect.

As humans proceed from humans, God proceeds from God.
 
amani said:
then would you say that was a failure since theres still so much sin and he will still have to judge?
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No because Christ provides the means but we must accept them. It's true that the majority reject Him, but the fact is there is a minority who will make it to heaven through Him.
 
Rasema said:
So, you believe that God is in Jesus. But you believe that Jesus is God who judges the mankind.

Where will God, the true God be?
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God is not in Jesus, Jesus *is* God.

The role of Judging the world is in the hands of the Second Person of the Trinity.
 
the father should not bear the sins of the son nor shall the son bear the sins of the father everyone will be judged by what they did accordingly this is what the bible says so the concept of original sin and jesus dying for our sins are ladi dadi additions
 
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Ok guys and gals.... It's 5'o clock here in the morning. So i am going to bed. It was nice discussing with you all.. Mods may delete this post.
 
Sojourn said:
God is not in Jesus, Jesus *is* God.
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Generally speaking, how do you think of God? and what do you think of a God appearing in a human form with human needs (eating/sleeping/being harmed/relieving/ and also dying) ? does that not show imperfection to you?
 
Abdullahii said:
the father should not bear the sins of the son nor shall the son bear the sins of the father everyone will be judged by what they did accordingly this is what the bible says so the concept of original sin and jesus dying for our sins are ladi dadi additions
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First you have to understand the concept of original sin. We do not inherit the personal sin of Adam, but his fallen state as a result of his personal sin.
 
amani said:
Generally speaking, how do you think of God? and what do you think of a God appearing in a human form with human needs (eating/sleeping/being harmed/relieving/ and also dying) ? does that not show imperfection to you?
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It reveals two things. The omnipotence of God, since only God could do such a thing, and the incomprehensible love of God for His creation, since only a loving God would use His omnipotence in such a way.

As the Apostle John said, we love God because God loved us first.
 
Sojourn said:
First you have to understand the concept of original sin. We do not inherit the personal sin of Adam, but his fallen state as a result of his personal sin.
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Just because we are created imperfect doesn't mean we don't have freewill. Angels don't sin. Does taht mean that I should worship them?
 
Rasema said:
Just because we are created imperfect doesn't mean we don't have freewill. Angels don't sin. Does taht mean that I should worship them?
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I didn't deny we have free will, not sure where you got that from.
 

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