Jesus is a one Divine Person with *two* *unified* natures, one human and the other Divine. We are not saying flesh = Divinity.
As for the flesh of Christ, it came from His mother Mary.
Non-Muslims,whats your view?
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Jesus is a one Divine Person with *two* *unified* natures, one human and the other Divine. We are not saying flesh = Divinity.
As for the flesh of Christ, it came from His mother Mary.
Adam(pbuh) was created imperfect that is why he committed a sin because we have free will. Original sin doesn't make us sin is what I mean and Adam was created mperfect to committ the sin. Every thing is prewritten.
I see, and that divine is God. But then why does God appear on the judgement day as Jesus when Jesus is His son,according to you all. I know, son of Mary not God. He is a son of Mary without a father,according to us.
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Astaghfirullahaladziem.
Only christians can have such filthy sickening thought about God. And come up with such downright lie!
I challenge you to find and bring it here a verse from the Qur'an that support your filthy view.
But one should not be surprised to read this kind of thing when they read bible who has been changed and altered throughout the millenia to suit whatever human purposes, which for example slander a prophet (Luth pbuh) as having incestuous sex and in some parts read like porn books.
and now this... god multiplies.
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Original sin is a state of the soul, it's not something that makes us sin directly. The desire to do something bad even though we know it's sinful is called concupiscence.
We inherit the state of original sin the way children of an excessive gambler inherit their father's poverty.
Why is the Son the Judge and not the Father? I'm glad you asked. This is the reason Jesus revealed:
"The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father."
John 5:22-23
So that the Son may be honored *as* the Father is honored... what an incredibly powerful statement... Can you imagine an ordinary man saying he will be honored on a level equal to God?
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Sojourn, you are coming here to preach your Jesus, first of all, I need to know what category you are in which part of Christanity? Catholics or Jehovah Witness? Mormon? Amish? Baptist? Saints?
It is important for you to research deeply about the history of Christianity before making comments in which we have another Christians debating same story, same topics, same heat arguments in previous posts.
In your view, you may think we Muslims going to Hell (see your Avator I understood), however please don't waste your time here.
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God." (Mark 10:18).
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord:" (Mark 12:29)
"Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? . . ." (Matthew 27:46)- (why are you forsaking me?)
The bible was written by Paul about 30-50 years later after Jesus died. Unfortunately, the bible is a collection of books, stories, personal letters, songs, and poetry. With my due respect, Jesus is no more than Prophet same as life of Moses, Abraham, Noah, lastly Muhammad. All of them are different role models and miracles. Our Creator Allah (God) know the best and what went wrong with these people.
He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone." He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable: you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." (15:39-42)
(Satan said,) "I will come to them from before them, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left, and You will find most of them un-appreciative." (7:17)
What people fail to realize for bible is a combination of many books written over a long time with mistranslations, additions, and doctrines that destroyed the truth. Many things could have been changed from the original til today. It was written by over 40 authors (Peter, King, Mark, Job, John, Luke, Mathew, unknown authors........). You get it?
".....And Don't Say 'Trinity': desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God:".... (4:171)
"Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? If it had been from other than God they would have found therein much contradiction and incongruity. (4:82)"
Maybe you missed the part where I said this is what the Quran suggests Christians believe.
Does the intellect multiply?
The Quran suggests Christ was the product of a sexual union when it says Allah has no consort in response to Christians saying Jesus is the Son. The generation of the Son doesn't require a consort.
Exactly... now you can't claim Jesus never revealed Himself to be God in the Bible.
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The Jews call ’Uzayr a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is the saying from their mouth; (In this) they are intimate; what the Unbelievers of the old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth. (Qur‘aan 9:30)
I don't claim anything about the Bible. I don't know what in it is God's word what isn't. No chain of authority.
Maybe you should try reading it some time, you don't have to believe anything about it, just read it like a piece of literature.
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Allah SWT in the Qur'an admonishes the christians for making Jesus pbuh His son.
Tell me, is not what christians believe, that Jesus peace be upon him is the son god?
Or are you now saying that the Qur'an gets it incorrect, and that Jesus pbuh is not the son god?
You said "god proceeds from god"
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What about you?
Neither do I claim what the Qur'an suggests, it's a perfect book.
I've attepted reading it. The King James version. To tell you the truth, It was really boring. The chapter that talks about desedents of the Prophets(pbut). The stuff that caught my attention was when Abraham(pbuh) prostrated to his Lord. It confuses me because the old testament is so different to the new testament.