Non-Practising Muslims

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not at all, it's them who are putting themselves in doubts way, not us... this topic has been covered alot by the scholars and none of them blamed anyone who classified such a group as non Muslim..

ofcourse we're being veeeery general here, specifics can change depending on situation.. but u know what i mean.

A good example is when Umar told the prophet 'let me behead that hypocrite' (the companion who gave news to makkah that Muhammad pBUH was on his way).. and in another narration (let me behad that kafir) - and ibn hajar emphasized veeeery hard that the 2nd narration is very authentic, adn we know full well that the companion was NOT a kafir, non the less the prophet didnt tell him 'no Umar dont say that because he is a Muslim, and because u called him a kafir and he isnt a kafir that means u are a kafir'.

salams
 
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OK...good explanation.

BTW I'm confused with some Islamists (NOT ALL OF THEM, JUST MINORITY OF THEM) in my country:

1) Non Practicing Muslims, but want to be known as Muslims - they called this people as disbelievers, kafir etc.

2) Ex-Muslims who wants to be known as Non Muslims - they dont want this to happen. For your info there are thousands of ex-Muslims cant leave Islam because it's hard to do so.

I mean isnt it better to just let th murtad be kafir, rather than calling non practicing muslim a kafir?
 
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salams bro :)

teh first category, they have the right to be recognized as Muslims... all they need to do is behave like Muslims lol (do the minimum atleast, pray!)... but they are behaving like someone who says 'i want to get good grades and get a high mark' but they don't do anything, they dont study and then when people say 'they're hopeless at this subject'... the student starts blaming ppl for labelling him things!

as for teh second category... they are apostates regardless what people try to do to give them a good name.. its as simple as that.

take care all the best
salams
 
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lolwatever said:
salams bro :)

as for teh second category... they are apostates regardless what people try to do to give them a good name.. its as simple as that.

take care all the best
salams
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So why Muslims dont want Malaysian government yo have a law to make easier for them to be declared a Non Muslim? (FYI - we have no hudud laws in Malaysia)
 
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i think that's a topic of its own that's not quite related to sis cheese's question :)
 
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Can sum1 be referred to a Muslim if they don't pray 5 times a day?

Answers referring to the hadith and Qur'an plz Jazakallah Khairun in advance!​

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salaam

lol sista aalimah mashallah, u alwyz start debates gud on ya :D

now now i wud say yesh, bcosh the shahadah is the 1st thin a muslim gota do 2 b a muslim, and u say den dat ur classified as a muslim innit aye aye

but but but, theres also a hadiths in bukhari in which RasoolAllah (saw) has sed....

"what seperates us from the kafirs, is our performin of salah"

but i wud say, its not 4 me 2 judge who is muslim & who aint, up2 Allah (swt) 2 accept us & inshallah he will :p ameen
 
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Ameen to the dua akhee!

Any more takers? Lol seriously tho, other views Insha'Allah?
 
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can me just ask, so if someone says shahadah, but dont pray, fast, give zakat is they stil accepted as a muslim? :D
 
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dis gyal da utha day goes, we cant call ourselves muslims.. den i go yh u can, cuz we bleive in Allah and that prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) is the last prophet.. so basically we took da shahadah.. den she goes, no, we dont do this, we do that blah blah.. den i go 2 her, so we'r not xactli goin 2 cal outselves christian r we? n den she went noo, i didnt mean that.. i woz gettin so confused by her.. i tld her loads of times, u mean we r muslims but not practisin.. she always finkn she ryt.. anyhoooooo!!

agree wid da bro :D
 
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Hmm... interesting...any other views Insha'Allah?
 
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well am a revert and i can't pray but i call myself a muslim cause i have reverted from a Christain and hopefully i will leanr as i am going to have me OP soon so i pray to God he leads me to the right path.
 
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Yh....what if they don't pray 5 times a day?
 
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cheese said:
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And if they start to practise later in life and repent for their acts of kufr that they used to do, can they be forgiven? Because i thought disbelief was the one sin that Allah swt doesnt forgive?
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If they will truly repent and don't turn on their sins they used to do before,
for sure they will be forgiven by allah.
"And seek the forgiveness of Allah, certainly, Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful. " ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #106)
 
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if u DELIBERATELY miss prayers u are guilty of apostasy...most just don't remember of prayers...but if u start keeping your prayers again, well, that is a different story
 
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chacha_jalebi said:
can me just ask, so if someone says shahadah, but dont pray, fast, give zakat is they stil accepted as a muslim? :D
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Nope, The hadith clearly says 'whoever doesnt pray is a disbeliever' and the other one 'the discriminatn between us and them is the prayer'...

i hope that answers the q inshalha, (same aplpies 2 sis alimah's q)

tc salam
 
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nah man a muslim is sum1 hu believes in Allah(swt) and his messenger and as bro chacha sed lol thats the first and most imporatant thing that makes a muslim a muslim *whooooshs off 2 pray * :hiding:
 
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there are many things which take a person out of the folds of islam, even by saying a sentence we can be taken out of the folds of islam.

I dont know what everysingle thing is but lets say this, if the faith and regret remains, if the reason is clear and valid then yes the person is clearly still a muslim.


gotta say Allahu Allam tho... i dont know :(

**I dont know** <--- Mark of a believer who has fear of avoiding stating what he doesnt really know !
 

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