North Korean Nuclear Bomb

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alcurad said:
hmm, true, nuclear armed Israel is more of a concern at that.
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A nuclear armed Israel has never used a nuclear weapon.

A nuclear armed Iran is not trustworthy. They might well fire a nuclear weapon at Europe.

A nuclear armed North Korea would sail a cargo ship into a harbour and then detonate the nuclear bomb on board.

Despite all the conflicts in the last 60 years, nobody has used a nuclear bomb ever in history! ( the Japanese cities were hit by atomic bomgs)
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if no one ever used an nuclear bomb except the US then the US is only country that should disarm, no?
the rest is propaganda, Israel has been engaged in conflicts for the last 60 years, while Iran never attacked anyone of itself since it's inception.
Israel is as likely to use a nuke as NK is given the 'right' circumstances.
 
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Joe98 said:
A nuclear armed Israel has never used a nuclear weapon.

A nuclear armed Iran is not trustworthy. They might well fire a nuclear weapon at Europe.

A nuclear armed North Korea would sail a cargo ship into a harbour and then detonate the nuclear bomb on board.

Despite all the conflicts in the last 60 years, nobody has used a nuclear bomb ever in history! ( the Japanese cities were hit by atomic bomgs)
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Isn't an atomic bomb a nuclear bomb? And besides, I would consider anyone with a nuke a threat whether they've used one before or not.. I don't see how that helps exactly.
 
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Joe98 said:
Due to the actions and words of Iranian governments
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That's pretty vague of you.

Actions and words of Iranian governments are not worse than their westerner adversaries. I wonder what would US say if russia told them to remove all their nuclear weapons and stop whatever military stuff they are working on.

Besides, Iran doesn't really want a nuclear weapon anyway. They just want to save face, (because of the accusations, and threats) and use nuclear energy.
 
Right through the Cold War, Russia and the USA remined "cold enemies".

From time to time a diplomat would be expelled from one country or the other but in all that time the embassies remained open.

If Iran wanted to close the US embassy in Tehran, they could have closed it and sent the Americans home.

Instead, all the Americans were held prisoner for more than a year.

Iranians have not condemned the act.Today, the Iranians celebrate the anniversary of the day the US embassy was stormed.

The US closed the Iranian embassy in Washington, but did not take anybody prisoner.

Iran is not trustworthy.
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Joe98 said:
nobody has used a nuclear bomb ever in history! ( the Japanese cities were hit by atomic bomgs)
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You are correct. Technically the atomic bombs were not thermo-nuclear bombs.

In fact they were quite minuscule in comparison of the true thermo-nuclear devices the smallest of which are several thousand times more powerfull then the most powerful atomic bomb possible.

I don't think any surface testing of thermonuclear devices have been done since Eniwetok and Bimini after which it was decided they were much too dangerous to even test detonate. Definitely not toys and make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a child's firecracker. I remember viewing films of the Eniwetok test. Unbelievable. A blast nearly 10,000 times hotter then the surface of the sun and shock waves felt thousands of miles away from the blast, seismic activity recorded for nearly 6 months. An entire Island nearly the size of the UK vaporized and only a gigantic crater deep in the Pacific remains of where the island was. A quantity of sea water equal to the Caspian sea turned to super heated steam in less then one second. Japanese fishing boats 3,000 miles away covered with radioactive ash. weather patterns altered for several years world wide.

I wonder if today's National leaders and military leaders would think twice about wanting nukes if they ever saw one detonated? I doubt if anybody will ever see one in peacetime as to detonate would be world suicide. No person in his right mind would even suggest the surface testing of one.

Stupid for anybody to want a weapon that can only be used for suicide.
 
burdenofbeing said:
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A nuclear armed Iran is not trustworthy. They might well fire a nuclear weapon at Europe.

what makes you think that?

and, I'm afraid to ask, were you born in 1998?
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Of course none of us really know but I get the distinct feeling that the structure of Government and associated controls in Iran is a little nebulous. We all know about the checks and balances in place in the US before the final button is pushed but if Iran had the bomb who would have the key?

In the case of North Korea I suspect that Kim would have the key and if he decided to press the button nobody would stop him.
 
As far as I know about Korea I agree. It's pretty much a thralldom.
About Iran, not so much. It's really a very democratic country, where people matter a lot.

There is this video of bruce bueno de mesquita on ted, where he predicts the future of iran. Even though the scientific nature of it is vague, the information about iran may prove useful to you.

At any rate, it should be obvious that trying to force authority unnecessarily tends to backfire, and cause stress. Especially when the recepient is proud. A parent daring his teenager son to do things he hasn't even contemplated yet, usually results in his contemplation and execution of the said action.

I just hope it won't be the case with Iran.
 
burdenofbeing said:
About Iran, not so much. It's really a very democratic country, where people matter a lot.
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Iran is an enigma. The highest authority there appears to be the Ayatollah, (who is not elected by the people); the Ayatollah controls who can stand for election and who can not; the President is ‘elected’ but is elected from a list approved by the Ayatollah; there appears to be more than one army and nobody seems to know who is in charge of them; the country appears to be governed by Sharia law with criminals released from prison after the memorise the Qu’ran and then given jobs as religious police, and I see on TV every other woman has had her nose done and wears her scarf loosely on her head and sporting a pair of designer sun glasses.

There is nothing about Iran that gives me any confidence that anyone is in control.
 
Iran is going to implode soon enough, the government there is still based on an archaic model that doesn't work anymore in our times.
but on the other hand they're not trying to get nukes. the people who believed in Iraq's WMD's are probably the same ones who believe in Iran's nukes. it is more or less a pressure tactic.
there should be a nuclear-weapons free middle east, that way we can insure that the only country there that actually has them will not.
 
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Woodrow said:
I don't think any surface testing of thermonuclear devices have been done since Eniwetok and Bimini after which it was decided they were much too dangerous to even test detonate
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

This thing was the biggest ever tested at 50 megatons. Its fireball had a radius of 4.6km and it was felt 1000km away. lol crazy russians :skeleton:
 
rather they had the reactor for a very long time, and selling their fossil fuels is a more economically viable/beneficial choice than using it up on their own.
they don't have the tech to produce a functioning reactor, let alone handle a nuke and hide it.
if they get it, the gulf countries-atleast KSA- will, not to mention the sanctions they have now will quintuple, not a very good policy, the IAEA has already said they don't have them, just like with Iraq, it was right last time, not to mention it doesn't have much incentive to lie for the Iranians' sake.
 
Woodrow said:
You are correct. Technically the atomic bombs were not thermo-nuclear bombs.

In fact they were quite minuscule in comparison of the true thermo-nuclear devices the smallest of which are several thousand times more powerfull then the most powerful atomic bomb possible.

I don't think any surface testing of thermonuclear devices have been done since Eniwetok and Bimini after which it was decided they were much too dangerous to even test detonate. Definitely not toys and make Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a child's firecracker. I remember viewing films of the Eniwetok test. Unbelievable. A blast nearly 10,000 times hotter then the surface of the sun and shock waves felt thousands of miles away from the blast, seismic activity recorded for nearly 6 months. An entire Island nearly the size of the UK vaporized and only a gigantic crater deep in the Pacific remains of where the island was. A quantity of sea water equal to the Caspian sea turned to super heated steam in less then one second. Japanese fishing boats 3,000 miles away covered with radioactive ash. weather patterns altered for several years world wide.

I wonder if today's National leaders and military leaders would think twice about wanting nukes if they ever saw one detonated? I doubt if anybody will ever see one in peacetime as to detonate would be world suicide. No person in his right mind would even suggest the surface testing of one.

Stupid for anybody to want a weapon that can only be used for suicide.
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OOps I just noticed I got my islands mixed up. Bimini is the island Adam Clayton Powell had a very controversial home on. The test site was Bikini Atoll.
 
^lol at name :), it's where the swimsuit got it's name according to wiki, poor people.
 
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