Now France bans Muslims from praying outside mosques

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abz2000 said:
and yes - the prophets did pray outside in public places and did prostrate:

Matthew 26:36-46 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”
37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
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what you're trying to say is like the Muslim prayer, Jewish and christian prayer involves the same act or should involve the same, except that others forgo the proper prayer in favor of paganistic rituals of 'self blessing' or abandoned it all together..

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without going into an attack, yes, there are numerous instances still recorded in the bible where it is shown that this is how the prophets prayed:

And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Genesis 17:3-4

And they fell on their faces (FOF)

  1. Genesis 17:3
    "And Abram fell on his face."
  2. Genesis 17:17
    "Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed."
  3. Leviticus 9:24
    "When all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces."
  4. Numbers 14:5
    "Moses and Aaron fell on their faces."
  5. Numbers 16:4
    "And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face."
  6. Numbers 16:22
    "And they fell upon their faces."
  7. Numbers 16:45
    "And they fell upon their faces."
  8. Numbers 20:6
    "And they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them."
  9. Numbers 22:31
    "Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he ... fell flat on his face."
  10. Joshua 5:14
    "And Joshua fell on his face."
  11. Joshua 7:6
    "And Joshua ... fell to the earth upon his face."
  12. Judges 13:20
    "The angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife ... fell on their faces."
  13. Ruth 2:10
    "Then she fell on her face."
  14. 1 Samuel 20:41
    "David ... fell on his face."
  15. 2 Samuel 9:6
    "He fell on his face."
  16. 2 Samuel 14:4
    "She fell on her face."
  17. 2 Samuel 18:28
    "And he fell ... upon his face."
  18. 1 Kings 18:7
    "He ... fell on his face."
  19. 1 Kings 18:39
    "He ... fell on his face."
  20. 1 Chronicles 21:16
    "Then David and the elders ... fell on their faces."
  21. Ezekiel 1:27-28
    "I saw ... the appearance of his loins... And when I saw it, I fell upon my face."
  22. Ezekiel 3:23
    "Behold, the glory of the Lord stood there ... and I fell on my face."
  23. Ezekiel 9:8
    "While they were slaying them ... I fell on my face."
  24. Ezekiel 11:3
    "Then fell I down upon my face."
  25. Ezekiel 43:3
    "I fell upon my face."
  26. Ezekiel 44:4
    "Behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face."
  27. Daniel 2:46
    "King Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel."
  28. Daniel 8:17
    "I was afraid, and fell upon my face."
  29. Matthew 17:6
    "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face."
  30. Matthew 26:39
    "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face."
  31. Luke 5:12
    "A man full of leprosy... fell on his face."
  32. Revelation 7:11
    "All the angels ... and the four beasts ... fell before the throne on their faces."
  33. Revelation 11:16
    "The four and twenty elders ... fell upon their faces."
does it sound like they just passed out flat on their faces - or that it was a method of prayer?
 
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Let's keep the other religions' prayer issue to minimum in this thread insha'Allah. Maybe mods can move those posts to another thread so we discuss it freely.

Futuwwa said:
I randomly encountered the following picture of congregants spilling out into the streets for salah. Definitely looks like something that clogs up traffic. It's from an anti-Islamic website though so take it for what it's worth.
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tell me what's the point of your post? Do you want me to show you the pictures when parades, pubs, sport events, music/movie events and other rituals clog the streets? Instead of trying to expose their hypocrisy and show enmity towards their ban, you are actually supporting it over, over and over again. Tell me how exactly are you a Muslim? Do you realize that your actions are exactly the same as the munafiqeen at the times of the Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam)?

Didn't you read the words of Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) that Muslim ummah is like a body and if part of it gets hurt then the whole body feels the pain? Fear Allah and have some husn al-dhan, hayaah and gheerah for Islam and Muslims.
 
the reason i went into detail on the method of prayer through the ages was in response to futuwwa's picture (taken from the back), which was from an anti-Islamic site. just so the "backward" jokes are kept silenced.
 
Crystal said:
but I don't think French people know enough about Islam or perhaps they read newspapers too much and also they are very nationalistic.
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You gotta be joking right?
French people don't know enough about Islam?
The french have known Islam since the time they sent their crusaders to slaughter women and children and make Jerusalem knee deep in blood.
You also didn't know that French invaded and colonised muslim countries such as Algier, Morocco, Tunisia for a century?
You also didn't know that Islam is the second largest religion and increasing rapidly (with ets. between 5 to 10% population) in france and that muslims are undoubtedly the largest practicing religion followers in france (as most of the catholics are not practicing)?
Also this ban didn't come from the "french people", it was drafted and enacted by its government.

Crystal said:
However I do wonder if a Christian/Jew was praying in the street in Saudi Arabia would you all still have the same views?
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Again, you gotta be joking right?
KSA (kingdom of saudi arabia for you) NEVER claim to be a "democratic" country that "respect every individual and groups rights", while France claims to be a democratic country and is proud of its "Liberte, egalite, fraternite" and claim to give equal rights to everyone. KSA is consistent, while France is not.
 
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Futuwwa said:
I randomly encountered the following picture of congregants spilling out into the streets for salah. Definitely looks like something that clogs up traffic. It's from an anti-Islamic website though so take it for what it's worth.

http://<img src="http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Muslim-butts-pic.bmp" alt="" border="0">
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and yet, this type of debauchery that clogs up traffic is condoned by france government.

http://shaybonder.com/omri/ziv koren/Pride.parade-02.jpg

Futuwwa, I am confused whether you just want to be devil's advocate or do you actually believe the lies that the french govt spew?
 
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This is what the government help block the streets and put locals to inconvenience for:


i removed the offensive video and decided not to portray lewdness and sodomy outdoors, decency is however welcome

and put this instead

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russian sodomites go to paris to protest against suppression
 
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^^ what cracks me up is that they think they look cool doing all that and acting the way the do LOL. they look stupid and only making a fool out of themselves.

Anyways I find it hard to believe that some Muslims say they are Muslims but don't understand the very essence of acting like one.

If you think that this has nothing to do with attacking our deen, then I wonder what really goes through your mind (not mentioning anyone in specific).
 
he actually lobbies other governments for suppression of open homosexuality,
while at home doing his best to make sure believers in God are kept hidden from sight - does he believe it's shameful to pray to God in France?

In 2007, French President Nicolas Sarkozy lobbied the then Russian President Vladimir Putin on the “violent repression of a recent gay rights parade in Moscow”, it has emerged through a leaked memo from the US Embassy in Paris to the State Department in Washington.
The memo followed a dinner meeting on the evening of June 12, 2007, between Under Secretary Burns from the US Department of State and Gerard Araud, the political director of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, together with their respective officials.
Damien Loras, Americas Advisor at the Elysee, is reported as saying in the leaked secret memo, published on WikiLeaks, that in a meeting between the presidents of France and Russia, “Sarkozy [was] seeking to develop a positive relationship with Putin, but without significant success to date. In their meeting, Sarkozy had raised with Putin human rights concerns, including the situation in Chechnya, the violent repression of a recent gay rights parade in Moscow, and the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya. Putin reacted by attacking human rights (prison conditions) in France”.
This meeting was shortly after violence erupted at Moscow Gay Pride on May 27, 2007, with UK human rights activist Peter Tatchell a victim of unprovoked violence when he was pinched in the face by an anti-gay thug who the police could not identify despite TV footage and press agency photos of the assault.
 
we should remove all this nakedness I am offended by it..
:w:
 
Ramadhan said:
You gotta be joking right?
French people don't know enough about Islam?
The french have known Islam since the time they sent their crusaders to slaughter women and children and make Jerusalem knee deep in blood.
You also didn't know that French invaded and colonised muslim countries such as Algier, Morocco, Tunisia for a century?
You also didn't know that Islam is the second largest religion and increasing rapidly (with ets. between 5 to 10% population) in france and that muslims are undoubtedly the largest practicing religion followers in france (as most of the catholics are not practicing)?
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I think it's your post that's the joke. What on earth do the Crusades and French colonialism have to do with the knowledge modern French have about Islam? Likewise, what do the numbers have to do with it? They are pretty local anyway, and even in the cities there are large numbers of French who have no regular contact with muslims at all. And who says those who do sit down and talk religion?
 
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Trumble said:
I think it's your post that's the joke.
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Coming from you, I take it as a compliment :)
(btw, do you want to address the second part of my joke post? about the differences in government types between saudi an france?)

Trumble said:
What on earth do the Crusades and French colonialism have to do with the knowledge modern French have about Islam? Likewise, what do the numbers have to do with it? They are pretty local anyway, and even in the cities there are large numbers of French who have no regular contact with muslims at all. And who says those who do sit down and talk religion?
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Because that means the french have learnt at least in school about Islam through their own history. Or are you saying the french never had any history lesson of their own? Also, the large percentage of French muslims mean they are visible at least in the cities where it matters with respect to the legislation.
Saying the french don't know much about Islam would be as absurd as saying that the Indians don't know much about Islam.
I actually give the french some credit, but of course you are right, there bound to be some french who even after years of being a member of Islamic forums still don't know much about Islam, like you for example.
(I wonder if your post was actually a reflection of your own self).
 
as-salaamu alaykum

Bismillah

Jazakmu Allahu khayran to those who posted pictures of streets being clogged by their own people. Just a quick reminder, posting pictures is fine but little warning about uncovered women would be beneficial.

The gay protests reminds about protests. What about protests which clog the streets, causes a havoc etc.; hence, nuisance for pedestrians, for example?
 
^The picture I posted had both. It spills out from the building into the sidewalks and then into the streets.
 
these are criminals - logical arguments don't make sense to them anyway.
question is - how do we change it - or where do we set up so people can flock to decency?
 
abz2000 said:
these are criminals - logical arguments don't make sense to them anyway.
question is - how do we change it - or where do we set up so people can flock to decency?
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:sl:

Now we are getting somewhere.

Seriously speaking, if wild wolves were to massacre my sheep, I wouldn't waste time cursing the wolves because cursing them won't change them in the slightest bit. If I had the means, I would hunt them down one by one. If not, I will concentrate on making my sheep pen more wolf-proof. Or if that's not possible, then I will look for somewhere safer to relocate my sheep.

WaLLahu aklam.
 
^^ Cursing the wolves isn't without its benefits you know in terms of therapeutics.. then you can move on with other tactics.. I have been personally looking for a fur stole for a while and prefer the hunt than to pay for one..:D
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