Now France bans Muslims from praying outside mosques

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It's sort of fundamentalist secularism, isn't it? So much for 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité` :hmm:
 
moral decay does fester everything it touches.. how frightened these societies must feel that they're so threatened by prayer and modesty.. I swear it is bordering upon hilarious ... fasbron jameel!
 
So whats the charge officer? Well basically you been arressted for praying to God:hmm:
 
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This behavior is really funny.This is the same France and French people who got offended on the Mother of Ten year old girl to present her girl as a sex symbol and force her to close the facebook fan page.They thought the Mother destroyed her childhood.Here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/10-year-models-mom-defends-racy-vogue-pictures/story?id=14262329



And they cant bear a piece of cloth on Muslim women's head.
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In other words, the French insist that everyone be just the correct amount of revealing. Not too modest, not too revealing.

Much of the time, French "egalité" is really about homogeneity. There's a saying that goes something like this: Egalité means that everyone is equally tall. If you're too short, you're put on the rack, and if you're too long, you're put through the guillotine :phew
 
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Praying in Paris streets outlawed


First hijab in schools then niqab in Public and now praying outside the mosques. But promiscuity is still allowed!

What will be next: believing in Islam!!?
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:) ... Nothing can stop Islam ... the more they try to restrict Islam.. the more it will Grow

... Cant hide Truth... Truth=Islam will win... no matter what.
 
Futuwwa said:
In other words, the French insist that everyone be just the correct amount of revealing. Not too modest, not too revealing.

Much of the time, French "egalité" is really about homogeneity. There's a saying that goes something like this: Egalité means that everyone is equally tall. If you're too short, you're put on the rack, and if you're too long, you're put through the guillotine :phew
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take a look at these demographics;


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here's a glimpse into the future:

[video=youtube;sE6MKwW2nfQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sE6MKwW2nfQ[/video]



this is how it was meant to read:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.

A teacher in the Poway Unified School District has been ordered by the U.S. Court of Appeals to remove two large banners that referred to "God" and the "Creator" from his classroom walls.
Brad Johnson, a teacher at Westview High School, had been directed by the district to remove two large banners which read “IN GOD WE TRUST,” “ONE NATION UNDER GOD,” “GOD BLESS AMERICA,” “GOD SHED HIS GRACE ON THEE” and “All men are created equal, they are endowed by their CREATOR.”
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals announced their unanimous decision on Tuesday, which overturned a previous ruling by a lower court. As a result of the court’s decision, Johnson must remove the banners.
continue to article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44511227/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/t/teacher-told-remove-god-class/


There was a sound of marching boots outside. The steel door opened with a clang. A young officer, a trim black-uniformed figure who seemed to glitter all over with polished leather, and whose pale, straight-featured face was like a wax mask, stepped smartly through the doorway. He motioned to the guards outside to bring in the prisoner they were leading. The poet Ampleforth shambled into the cell. The door clanged shut again.

Ampleforth made one or two uncertain movements from side to side, as though having some idea that there was another door to go out of, and then began to wander up and down the cell. He had not yet noticed Winston's presence. His troubled eyes were gazing at the wall about a metre above the level of Winston's head. He was shoeless; large, dirty toes were sticking out of the holes in his socks. He was also several days away from a shave. A scrubby beard covered his face to the cheekbones, giving him an air of ruffianism that went oddly with his large weak frame and nervous movements.

Winston roused hirnself a little from his lethargy. He must speak to Ampleforth, and risk the yell from the telescreen. It was even conceivable that Ampleforth was the bearer of the razor blade.

'Ampleforth,' he said.

There was no yell from the telescreen. Ampleforth paused, mildly startled. His eyes focused themselves slowly on Winston.

'Ah, Smith!' he said. 'You too!'

'What are you in for?'

'To tell you the truth -- ' He sat down awkwardly on the bench opposite Winston. 'There is only one offence, is there not?' he said.

'And have you committed it?'

'Apparently I have.'

He put a hand to his forehead and pressed his temples for a moment, as though trying to remember something.

'These things happen,' he began vaguely. 'I have been able to recall one instance -- a possible instance. It was an indiscretion, undoubtedly. We were producing a definitive edition of the poems of Kipling. I allowed the word "God" to remain at the end of a line. I could not help it!' he added almost indignantly, raising his face to look at Winston. 'It was impossible to change the line. The rhyme was "rod". Do you realize that there are only twelve rhymes to "rod" in the entire language? For days I had racked my brains. There was no other rhyme.'

1984 - george orwell.


 
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But on the whole, the title is misleading. Prayer outside mosques isn't prohibited. Prayer in the streets is. There's a world of a difference between the two. A street is a transportation lane and a public utility. Praying in it blocks traffic. Keeping public utilities functioning is definitely a matter of state.

This law is not an outrage. That, simultaneously, actual mosque construction that would solve the problem is often hindered by bigoted right-wing officials and public opinion, is.
 
But on the whole, the title is misleading. Prayer outside mosques isn't prohibited. Prayer in the streets is. There's a world of a difference between the two. A street is a transportation lane and a public utility. Praying in it blocks traffic. Keeping public utilities functioning is definitely a matter of state.
This law is not an outrage.
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brother futuwwa do you know that most mosques in the west are not giant complexes with acres of fields surrounding them? and that they mostly step straight out onto the street from the doors? i would sincerely ask you to do some soul-searching..............and do you know what the "no-fly zone" pushed by sarkozy blatantly turned into???????????????/

When the persecution of the Muslims in Makkah became too much, permission was granted for some Muslims to emigrate to Abyssinia. Abu Bakr (ra) was one of those who were interested in going, but was stopped on the journey by ibn at-Tagunna, a non-Muslim who did not live in Makkah, and yet had still heard of the selfless and generous nature of Abu Bakr (ra).
Ibn at-Tagunna persuaded Abu Bakr to go back by offering him protection. At that time, offering a person protection was a serious responsibility, as one was promising to protect the other to the death.
The tribe of Quraish heard about this and saw the opportunity to get something out of it. They approached ibn at-Tagunna and asked him to apply a condition: Abu Bakr was not to be allowed to pray outside of his house. The Quraish realised the power of salah, and what effect it had on people witnessing it, so they wanted to stop this form of da’wah from happening.
Abu Bakr agreed to this when ibn at-Tagunna told him of it. However, Abu Bakr slowly began to realise that he missed praying in public; Abu Bakr was the first Muslim to stand in front of the Ka’bah and publicly announce La ilaha il-Allah, Muhammad-ur-rasul-Allah – that was the love he had of spreading the message of Islam.
So Abu Bakr compromised: he prayed in his front garden. When he began reciting surahs, tears fell from his eyes – he had a soft heart, full of taqwa – and before long he had an audience.
The Quraish were furious. They demanded ibn at-Tagunna to sort it out, so he went to Abu Bakr and asked him to either stop praying in public, or to relinquish the protection. Abu Bakr thanked ibn at-Tagunna for the protection and said that he would be satisfied with the protection of Allah from now on.
Soon after, Abu Bakr went to pray out near the Ka’bah and was attacked. Instead of regretting his decision to cancel ibn at-Tagunna’s protection, or complaining about the lack of protection he was receiving from Allah, he called out to Allah and extolled His compassion and mercy – Abu Bakr understood that all tests from Allah are for our benefit, whose rewards we reap either in this world or the next.
Out of the many lessons we can take from this story, there is one point I want to focus on: Abu Bakr was not happy with praying quietly in a corner of his home, ignored by his household and unnoticed by the non-Muslims going by outside.
Abu Bakr’s love for salah was so great that he risked his life to pray in the open, sacrificing all protection.
Compare this with the way we are.
 
What is humorous (and quite nonsensical) is when your average flag-worshiping simpleton whines about 'religious tolerance' in the Islamic world.
 
abz, don't get melodramatic. I know perfectly well what mosques in the West are like. You live in London, I live in Helsinki. If you think it's bad there, you have no idea of what it's like here. In all of Finland, there is only one purpose-built mosque. The rest are just various spaces that have been converted to the purpose, some fitting it better than others. Some of the mosques I've been to compete with the original Medinan mosque in simplicity.

The fact remains though, the sidewalk belongs to everyone, and has been built for a specific purpose. While I'm sure quite a few are against prayer on the sidewalk out of sheer bigotry, the fact remains, prayers on the sidewalk causes a real obstruction for pedestrians and people trying to get in and out of buildings. If we claim the sidewalk to pray on, we are robbing it from the rest of society, which has together paid for it.

There would be a difference if it was about a park, or some other place which is actually built for general hanging around.
 
If it is just ban on the street than I seen nothing wrong with it.
 
are you aware of the half naked nativity plays that whole regions are cordoned off for
- or when his highness Mr President G W Bush or his highness Obama, or his highness Sarkozy makes a visit?
and that taxpayer funded police are assigned to protect?
are you aware of all the pubs which overflow on Friday and Saturday with groups of people spilling out standing and sitting drunk on the sidewalk, i tiptoe through them often - or go around.

without getting "melodramatic" - i will tell you that it is more of a right to use the sidewalk to praise Almighty God who owns the land on which the sidewalk is built, than to use it to disobey and disrespect Him.

It is related that Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said,
"The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,
'I have been given five things which no one before me was given:
I have been helped to victory by terror flooding (my enemies') hearts upto a month's journey away;
for me, the whole earth has been made a mosque and made pure
- wherever a man of my community finds himself when the time of prayer comes, he can pray;
taking booty has been made lawful for me when it was not lawful for anyone before me;
I have been given the right of intercession;
and whereas every other Prophet was sent only to his people, I have been sent to all mankind.'"
Sahih Bukhari 328.

"melodramatic" indeed.
 
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FS123 said:
If it is just ban on the street than I seen nothing wrong with it.
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Asslamu Aliakum,

Same here. Muslims should become creative and use the law to their advantage. If they can't pray in the streets, I'm sure they can pray in the park/mall. The Muslim community in France can get together and buy a building and turn it into a small mosque or something. There are many options to explore.

Anyway, the French government really needs to focus on more serious issues. This move is simply to divert the public from its economic problems. It's pathetic.
 
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