O ummah, for how much longer?

[Roasted Cashew]

Probably the best post you've written so far, it makes sense too. Well done

HEHE! :lol:

 

[Abz2000]

You are not the aggressor if you fight for your right. You are an aggressor when in that fight you transgress(for example kill civilians) and Allah(SWT) does not like transgressors.

glad that's resolved,

hamas have said that they target illegal occupiers and soldiers and not civilians,

and they can't be blamed for a few loose cannons over which they hold no control since they don't control the territory, nor the innumerable checkpoints set up all over the place just to cause distress to the palestinians.
even israeli soldiers have gone on record saying that totally unjustified checkpoints had been set up in the middle of a village and people would be made to stand in queues for hours on end just to get to work.
they have also held ambulances for no reason where people have died waiting at checkpoints through their own villages,

what would any human being with any remnant of dignity do when faced with such tyranny and humiliation?
these aren't the people with the mentality of slaves under pharaoh who would taunt Moses (pbuh) for leading them to freedom from slavery just because there were no meat pots or garlic.
nor the type who would tattle and betray Moses to be sentenced to death despite him having fought for them the day before.
they bow before none but Almighty God and God gives them a sense of dignity.

do you know how bitter it must feel to be allowed to walk along your own street after six years and still feel a sense of relief and joy while settler armies point guns at you?

 

[جوري]

I am off to sleep now. Maybe you need some rest too. And I say that with all due respect.

The statement of absolution was made by you. I refrain from terms like ALL or None, I don't take what you write with more than a grain of salt hence I skim over most of it, You should quote my comment in context :

the condition of Muslims including after the so-called Arab springs goes back to Amero/Israeli interests in the region.

And no I don't need to get rest at 6:48 on a Sunday especially when I am having such fun using dry heat...

best

 

[Roasted Cashew]

hamas have said that they target illegal occupiers and soldiers and not civilians

I hope this is true.

and they can't be blamed for a few loose cannons

Hamas then should strictly distance themselves from these factions which transgress and being in charge of the government punish these loose cannons so that it sends a clear message to these factions and to the world as to where does Hamas stand.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

You should quote my comment in context

I think, I did quote the whole response. Anyway, not a big issue. We all forget. You asked me where did you say it?? And I told you where. That's basically all there is to it.

I am having such fun

glad you are having fun since most of the time you are angry or sad.

 

[جوري]

glad you are having fun since most of the time you are angry or sad.

when did you strike a tent and get a crystal ball? Ma shaa Allah you've so many talents perhaps that's why you can't do any one thing right. try to hone in your abilities on just one thing and perfect it you might not find yourself being owned on the forum by 90% of the members sadly the otherwise 100% you're meant to identify with & Almost every time you write!
At the end of the day your psychic abilities from your Russian/Pakistani alcove isn't what's going to grant you entry to the station to rat out fellow Muslims nor is a talent with which to meet your lord!

As for the first part of your comment I can't be made responsible for the 'All' you desire as a focus nor how you misconstrue intent & half quote thereafter!

Best

 

[Roasted Cashew]

when did you strike a tent and get a crystal ball?

Well, one doesn't need a crystal ball to figure that out. The general tone and attitude of your posts give away most of it.

being owned on the forum by 90% of the members sadly the otherwise 100% you're meant to identify with & Almost every time you write!

maybe we are not on the same forum...and btw I don't write to get likes or recognition from fellow Muslims on this forum. All I need for that is to curse the Israelis and the Americans and voila my reputation would be skyrocketing. I write what is right and if that strikes a nerve with my fellow Muslims, then so be it.

 

[جوري]

Well, one doesn't need a crystal ball to figure that out. The general tone and attitude of your posts give away most of it.

As stated you don't strike me personally as getting much of anything correct from your record with everyone furthermore any of my moods or affects shouldn't otherwise cause you symptoms!

maybe we are not on the same forum...and btw I don't write to get likes or recognition from fellow Muslims on this forum. All I need for that is to curse the Israelis and the Americans and voila my reputation would be skyrocketing. I write what is right and if that strikes a nerve with my fellow Muslims, then so be it.

as the saying goes so long as you're getting some reinforcement positive or negative I guess it shouldn't matter to someone in your level of expertise I don't expect altruism or truth or outrage at the miscarriage of justice to play any factor in how you think or what you write. You're only a nut after all!

Best

 

[Roasted Cashew]

I don't expect altruism or truth or outrage at the miscarriage of justice to play any factor

obviously it does but I am not biased and not blinded by anger and hatred that I don't see the wrongs and atrocities of my Muslims at all.

You're only a nut after all!

Love the pun intended. :hiding:

 

[جوري]

obviously it does but I am not biased and not blinded by anger and hatred that I don't see the wrong and atrocities of my Muslims at all.

that's unfortunate as you lack the concept of cause & effect/ action & reaction aggressor or victim. So we are already starting from two different platforms. You create a rhetoric rather than solve it. And problems can't be solved eith the same level of thinking that created them. At least you're keeping your sense of humor at the end of the day it's the second best defense mechanism.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

that's unfortunate as you lack the concept of cause & effect/ action & reaction aggressor or victim.

Look, this Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not something which started yesterday or day before yesterday. Their initial reaction is not what I am talking about. NOW, don't you think they need to rethink their approach. Obviously whatever they have been doing has not translated into results.

 

[Scimitar]

"Oh Ummah, for how much longer?"

at this rate? it's gonna take forever. Stop fighting.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

NOW, don't you think they need to rethink their approach. Obviously whatever they have been doing has not translated into results.

& what do you propose be done when as we write Israel is going ahead with illegal settlements. Literally handing eviction notices to Palestinians and coming in with demolition balls to claim everything from Jerusalem to the west bank in defiance of all laws, the same laws they're so apt at crying out when broken (if ever) while they're funded by every organization and tax dollar to carry out their plans and at the same time stop any form of aid coming in to the Palestinians.
Honestly where do you get off making the comments you do? Are you clueless or a just traitorous? You don't even have to be Muslim to see what's wrong with this picture. Or how the proposed two state solution is going to work in this particular situation if Israel says one thing and does another?
Lastly The Prophet said: If one of you sees something evil he should change it with his hand. If he cannot, he should speak out against it, and if he cannot do even that he should at least detest it in his heart, this being the weakest form of faith (Sahih of Muslim).

if you think this is a popularity contest and garnering the most votes then rest assured outside this forum you'd probably be applauded by your fellow Zionists and their poodles with high Kudos. It is always more difficult to stand for the right thing as I understand it.

best,

 

[Roasted Cashew]

as we write Israel is going ahead with illegal settlements. Literally handing eviction notices to Palestinians and coming in with demolition balls to claim everything from Jerusalem to the west bank in defiance of all laws

EXACTLY. So have their rockets stopped Israel from building more illegal settlements? Clearly as you would agree, NO! I would suggest you play their game instead playing into their game. Their most powerful tool is media. First thing first, stop feeding their media. You are not helping your cause with headlines that read Hamas fired 100 rockets into Israel. People read that much and make their opinion. They don't go online and research. Why is there so much sympathy in the world for JEWS? Because when the Jews were being killed by the Nazis, the Jews weren't firing back rockets. Now, they rule the world.

Obviously I am not suggesting Palestinians let the Israelis kill them. Not at all. We are Muslims and we will fight for our right. It's just that, in our times, we need to change our strategies and our approach. . Mujahideen who still think they can achieve their goals with swords alone have got it wrong. They need strategists, think tanks, lobbyers, etc. It's a different ball game altogether.

 

[Abz2000]

yeah, let's write ehud barak and say: please man



Those to whom they (hypocrites) said, "Indeed, the people have gathered against you, so fear them."
But it [merely] increased them in faith, and they said,
"Sufficient for us is Allah , and [He is] the best Disposer of affairs."
Quran 3:173

 

[Aprender]

Obviously I am not suggesting Palestinians let the Israelis kill them. Not at all. We are Muslims and we will fight for our right. It's just that, in our times, we need to change our strategies and our approach. . Mujahideen who still think they can achieve their goals with swords alone have got it wrong. They need strategists, think tanks, lobbyers, etc. It's a different ball game altogether.

And how do you propose they do that? Tell me how can they get the funds together to fight in Washington D.C. with think tanks and lobbyists that cost money, and I'm talking tens of millions here, if they can't even get their houses together? I'm very interested to hear your ideas since you say the Jews already rule the world. So how exactly are they going to get their foot in the door with this? What's the plan brother?

I can tell you right now if you went to Capitol Hill talking about freeing Palestine and Israel is oppressing people and violating international laws they'll just look at you like you're stupid and laugh as you walk out of the room embarrassed.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

how can they get the funds together

Muslim Ummah if they care so much wouldn't they help them out?? I would with as much as I can.

What's the plan brother?

I was merely suggesting. If I had a plan, I would have shared. I was not pointing at myself when I said they need to hire strategists and think tanks. I am sure there are capable Palestinians or other Muslims out there with brains smart enough. They just need to be lead by someone who knows how to utilize them.

I can tell you right now if you went to Capitol Hill talking about freeing Palestine and Israel is oppressing people and violating international laws they'll just look at you like you're stupid and laugh as you walk out of the room embarrassed.

Obviously, it is not an overnight process. It will take time. There are those who have expertise in this field. They need to be hired. They will know what to propose and what to talk and how not to walk out embarrassed.

Anyway, how do you think the Palestinians should approach their ordeal. Do you think Hamas's approach has been fruitful? You are obviously more well-versed in politics and world affairs than I am. Would love to hear your suggestions.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

since you say the Jews already rule the world

That was an exaggeration to get my point across. More of a metaphor. Not to be taken literally.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

i'm in no way defending assad, but look at these scholars brainwashing the oppostion groups in syria that its permissible for them to kill alawite women and children. Wahhabis *facepalm*

Can anyone see it now? That the zionists want to incite secterian wars between muslims? its not a little monopoly game, this is gonna be really nasty. And when things are going to get really... nasty that the ''superhero'' called US will invade?

Al-assad is bad, the syrians have every right to throw him out but not this way, not western backed.

 

[Periwinkle18]

i would suggest u guys stop fighting sis lamees theres no point in arguing sis if ur rite n leave the argument inshaAllah Allah will give u a house in the center of jannah inshaAllah