Obama calls for Mid-East urgency

no its not about forgetting. its about sitting back and critisizing when we're not doing anything ourselves.
of course i feel about the those in chenchnya and their men are some of the greatest mujahids of our time. however to sit and say such and such is doing this and that, well lets ask ourselves, why? how many times and years have you heard of the leaders saying we should help the palestinians blah blah the israelis are this blah blah. how many decades? how many of us have looked in anger at the state of palestine? and what did we do? give a few $$ and get on with our lives?

Very lame response most of your sentence was made up on "blah blah blah". None of you are answering my question. Would your response be the same if Kashmiris were working with Israelis to defeat their enemies? Its a simple question the reason you avoid it and talk about the suffering of Palestinians because you know deep down that its wrong. If you are so passionate about the Palestinian cause. Why don't you go and fight? Why are you just giving lip service how others should do something as long as its not you.
 
I do not think that and im not going to let you make false insinuations about what im saying. I never at any point said that China and Russia were somehow the most benign nations that we should look up to. All i stated was that you were oversimplifying the situation to a point where your arguement essentially came down to "this nation or that nation killed Muslims/Separatists at this stage, therefore they are bad and we should not enlist their support in our efforts as a matter of principle". International politics is alot more intricate than you conceive of it. And if we are at a juncture where the only conceivable way of mitigating our problems is to forge strategic alliances with nations like Russia, i have no grave misgivings about that, yet you dismiss it out of hand as an act of treachery.

I guess thats where we differ on this issue.

If you ask any scholar who does not have Arab bias in him he/she will tell you what Palestinian government is doing is Treason in Islam. Agian, Akhi using big words does not make you right Communications 101. You do not state facts and either do you make any sense. All you do is fancy up your sentences so when others read it they assume you are right because of the vocabulary you use.
 
Why are you just giving lip service how others should do something as long as its not you.

why dont i? because im just like everyone else unfortunately. this is not about pointing fingers and saying its them its you its him. its about us all of us EVERY SINGLE one of us. including myself.
 
If you ask any scholar who does not have Arab bias in him he/she will tell you what Palestinian government is doing is Treason in Islam. Agian, Akhi using big words does not make you right Communications 101. You do not state facts and either do you make any sense. All you do is fancy up your sentences so when others read it they assume you are right because of the vocabulary you use.

Ok, so if a Hamas delegation meets with representatives from Russia, that according to you is treason because of Russia's record in Chechnya? is this the crux of what you're saying? Id have to disagree with that because, again, you cannot tar every single conflict that the Muslim ummah has been embroiled in with a single brush. Do you not realise brother that what you're exhorting here will only lead to more isolationism?

Why do you not then propose a viable alternative since you're so swift to denigrate any idea of emancipation through co-operation?. Are you one of these people thats just going to bellow "Jihad" without making any reasonable assessment of the prevailing political climate? Enlighten us.

You're the one who's coming up with fancy but unsubstantiated claims about how Islamic scholarship has deemed anything to do with alliances made with non-Muslim nations as treason. Tell me brother, is it not true that the sahabah were dispatched by the prophet (pbuh) to Abysinnia, (present day Ethiopia) to seek sanctuary under a righteous Christian king when they were being persecuted in Makkah? I suppose your counter-arguement will now be that Abysinnia, unlike Russia did not massacre Muslims on the colossal scale such as that of Chechnya.

I can't see how you can accuse us all of having an Arab bias, when first of all, this thread is about the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the facts surrounding the conflict are like no other in the history of the Ummah. This is the land where Al Quds - the third holiest site in Islam - is located, it has been usurped by a zionist regime that has foisted itself with firm western backing on the Palestinians, consigned them to a life of abject poverty, privation and despair, and has thoroughly destroyed and hopes of a unified Muslim response by making peace treaties with the actual traitors; the likes of Anwar Sadat and King Hussein.

As for your question about the Kashmiris colluding with Israel, ofcourse i would object to that, but you cannot in all seriousness tell me that it is a reasonable analogy to compare Kashmiri/israeli collusion with a politically unbinding and tenuous alliance between the Palestinians and Russia. It just does not make any sense.
 
As for your question about the Kashmiris colluding with Israel, ofcourse i would object to that, but you cannot in all seriousness tell me that it is a reasonable analogy to compare Kashmiri/israeli collusion with a politically unbinding and tenuous alliance between the Palestinians and Russia. It just does not make any sense.

Thank you for admitting it finally. End of dicussion if you like you can claim victory now akhi. I fancy up my words akhi atleast an average Abdullah (joe) can understand what I wrote so far. Most of what you said requires a dictionary and still lacks the evidence.

why dont i? because im just like everyone else unfortunately. this is not about pointing fingers and saying its them its you its him. its about us all of us EVERY SINGLE one of us. including myself.

I am not with the Palestnian government if they work with enemies of Muslims. You are very picky when responding back to me. How about you respond back to the question sister?
 
I can't see how you can accuse us all of having an Arab bias, when first of all, this thread is about the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the facts surrounding the conflict are like no other in the history of the Ummah. This is the land where Al Quds - the third holiest site in Islam - is located, it has been usurped by a zionist regime that has foisted itself with firm western backing on the Palestinians, consigned them to a life of abject poverty, privation and despair, and has thoroughly destroyed and hopes of a unified Muslim response by making peace treaties with the actual traitors; the likes of Anwar Sadat and King Hussein.

Brother I do not know if you are Arab or not. But for most of them its struggle between Jews and Arabs not Jews and Muslims. They do not want help from non arabs neither will they ask. Its a secular fight most of them. They're fighting not for Al Quds like most of us think sure the religious ones are but they are minority and hated. Al Quds has become a symbol of pride rather than a religious honour issue.
 
I am not with the Palestnian government if they work with enemies of Muslims. You are very picky when responding back to me. How about you respond back to the question sister?

on kashmir and israel? honestly speaking no probably not
 

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