Obama Speech on Libya

[Ramadhan]

So, finally the US is giving full official commitment to attack and invade another sovereign country.

Full text:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/barack-obamas-speech-about-libya-20110329-1ce2d.html

Libya sits directly between Tunisia and Egypt – two nations that inspired the world when their people rose up to take control of their own destiny. For more than four decades, the Libyan people have been ruled by a tyrant – Moammar Gaddafi. He has denied his people freedom, exploited their wealth, murdered opponents at home and abroad, and terrorized innocent people around the world – including Americans who were killed by Libyan agents.

Obama conveniently forgot that Libya is also a muslim country with so much oil wealth sits directly next to Europe.

I don't know why many muslims (american and non) were so enamoured by Obama when he is nothing but a US president, who must serve the interests of enemies of Islam.

 

[Ramadhan]

So, finally the US is giving full official commitment to attack and invade another sovereign country.

Make that the third successive sovereign MUSLIM country.

coinceidence?

 

[Trumble]

So, finally the US is giving full official commitment to attack and invade another sovereign country.

Er... what? I can only assume you haven't actually bothered to read it. It makes no commitment, full, official or otherwise to do either (unless you are one of the few left who would suggest the remnants of Gaddafi's forces legitimately represent the 'sovereign country of Libya') . In the case of 'invasion' he DID make a specific statement to the contrary (just as have Britain and France).

Of course, there is no question that Libya – and the world – will be better off with Gaddafi out of power. I, along with many other world leaders, have embraced that goal, and will actively pursue it through non-military means. But broadening our military mission to include regime change would be a mistake.

The task that I assigned our forces – to protect the Libyan people from immediate danger, and to establish a No Fly Zone – carries with it a UN mandate and international support. It is also what the Libyan opposition asked us to do. If we tried to overthrow Gaddafi by force, our coalition would splinter. We would likely have to put U.S. troops on the ground, or risk killing many civilians from the air. The dangers faced by our men and women in uniform would be far greater. So would the costs, and our share of the responsibility for what comes next.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

I don't know why many muslims (american and non) were so enamoured by Obama when he is nothing but a US president, who must serve the interests of enemies of Islam.

they're a bunch of 2-faced hypocrites

 

[Al-Mufarridun]

The Unspeak of Liberal War - Tarak Barkawi

 

[Ramadhan]

You just have to replace "Libya" with "iraq" and Obama's speech sound awfully similar to Bushies' rethoric before Iraq invasion.

 

[Gator]

Yes, we are about to invade and take over Libya! HAHAHAHAHA! Soon our soldiers will be in Tripoli and Benghazi repressing the people and stealing all of their oil.

Because MQ wouldn't sell us any oil or buy weapons from us we had to take it...and just because it was a Muslim country too.

We were also jealous of the paradise on Earth that was Lybia as the Libyan people were all too happy. Just like we took over Tunisia and Egypt!

The revolutions are just a cover for us to take over and spread starbucks and McDonalds (mmmm....McDonalds).

<<Sarcasm>>> Link to definition of sarcasm ---> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

Thanks.

 

[Ramadhan]

Yes, we are about to invade and take over Libya! HAHAHAHAHA! Soon our soldiers will be in Tripoli and Benghazi repressing the people and stealing all of their oil.

Actually, US forces already did:

And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973. We struck regime forces approaching Benghazi to save that city and the people within it. We hit Gaddafi's troops in neighboring Ajdabiya, allowing the opposition to drive them out. We hit his air defenses, which paved the way for a No Fly Zone. We targeted tanks and military assets that had been choking off towns and cities and we cut off much of their source of supply. And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gaddafi's deadly advance.

If thats is not attacking militarily a sovereign country, I dont know what does.

And for oil, after the regime change, done through this:

Tomorrow, Secretary Clinton will go to London, where she will meet with the Libyan opposition and consult with more than thirty nations. These discussions will focus on what kind of political effort is necessary to pressure Gaddafi, while also supporting a transition to the future that the Libyan people deserve. Because while our military mission is narrowly focused on saving lives, we continue to pursue the broader goal of a Libya that belongs not to a dictator, but to its people.

you can bet that American oil companies will get very sweet (crude) oil deals from the new regimes, replacing the deals handed out to other companies, mostly chinese who had secured most of the sweetest oil deals.

We were also jealous of the paradise on Earth that was Lybia as the Libyan people were all too happy. Just like we took over Tunisia and Egypt!

So Iraq and Afghanistan are paradise on earth?

The revolutions are just a cover for us to take over and spread starbucks and McDonalds (mmmm....McDonalds).

How old are ya?

 

[Gator]

Actually, US forces already did:
If thats is not attacking militarily a sovereign country, I dont know what does.

Like I said within the month, US forces will be patrolling the streets of every major city (especially the oil refinery ones) and in complete control of Libya. I'm glad we agree and we'll look like total f%&^ing idiots if it doesn't.

And for oil, after the regime change, done through this:
you can bet that American oil companies will get very sweet (crude) oil deals from the new regimes, replacing the deals handed out to other companies, mostly chinese who had secured most of the sweetest oil deals.

Exactly, in fact, we aint even gonna have to pay for the oil we're just going to take it. We're just going to kick out all the other national oil companies like France and China. Once again if this is not so, you and I are utter morons.

So Iraq and Afghanistan are paradise on earth?

They were, and we just had to invade for no reason and take their oil! (Actually, I think that really was the situation in Iraq. Not that it was paradise on Earth. Although it looks like the Chinese, British and Malaysians are going to get all the development contracts! WTH!)

 

[Zafran]

Like I said within the month, US forces will be patrolling the streets of every major city (especially the oil refinery ones) and in complete control of Libya. I'm glad we agree and we'll look like total f%&^ing idiots if it doesn't.


Exactly, in fact, we aint even gonna have to pay for the oil we're just going to take it. We're just going to kick out all the other national oil companies like France and China. Once again if this is not so, you and I are utter morons.




They were, and we just had to invade for no reason and take their oil! (Actually, I think that really was the situation in Iraq. Not that it was paradise on Earth. Although it looks like the Chinese, British and Malaysians are going to get all the development contracts! WTH!)

Are you kidding me - we've been having problems with Mugabe for a long time nobody bothers to help the people there

We've had problems in sudan as well nobody cared about that as well

Nobody cared about Tunisia and Egypt and Yemen and Behrian and now syria.

But soon as Libya gets in trouble bang off we go to save the oil....I mean rebels - besides most the UK gets there oil from Libya - it would be stupid for the UK not to help the oil.....I mean rebels.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Yes its rather odd, this sudden urge to 'liberate' Libya, wonder why all of a sudden?

Some random thoughts

1 I think they want to exocise the ghosts of Iraq and somewhat Afghanistan, UK and US have cultivated an image as promoters of 'freedom' and 'democracy', however this has been exposed as a sham, so I think they desperately want to reconstruct
the Imperial ideology of 'liberal interventionism'

2 Gaddaffi was always a bit of a joker in the pack, none of his neighbours liked him very much, so now that he is facing a revolt its an opportune time to get rid of him and install a government that is more predictable

3 Western countries want to be on the 'right side of history', now that major changes have taken place in the middle east that are irreversable they want to 'channel' and 'guide' the coming revolutions to suit their own geo-politcal interests (spreading western values etc etc). If they can install a government in Libya that is grateful to the west could give them serious leverage over the rest of the new middle east perhaps hindering the ability of new governments to follow an independent course of action.

4 I dont think this war was fought for oil, though after the conflict oil will become important as well as other commercial interests.

Some articles worth reading

'Noble' War In Libya - Part 1
http://www.medialens.org/index.php?...n-libya-part-1&catid=24:alerts-2011&Itemid=68

'Noble' War In Libya - Part 2
http://www.medialens.org/index.php?...n-libya-part-2&catid=24:alerts-2011&Itemid=68

 

[Darth Ultor]

Obama, you lost my vote. What in the blue **** are you thinking?

 

[LavaDog]

Obama conveniently forgot that Libya is also a muslim country with so much oil wealth sits directly next to Europe.

Obama didn't forget Libya has oil. He was inaugurated on January 20th of 09, the next day the media reported Gaddafi was going to nationalize the oil companies in Libya. About week after that the army war college journal had a report saying that Obama was going to keep a close eye on the events in Libya.

 

[Aprender]

It really made me sad to hear what he was saying in this speech this morning. I don't think it matters who we have in power in the U.S., this would have happened...

 

[Salafi1407]

I bet 5 years down the line they will still be there "liberating" the country Just like they are glorifying Iraq and Afghanistan.

And by liberating I mean, killing many many innocent women, kids, people in general. Making sure Islam and the Shariah does not rise again. Trying to implement their laws (democracy) upon OUR countries (funny how they get all worked up when we suggest our laws for their countries? and they go round bullying our brothers and sisters into adopting their hypocracy... I mean democracy) Oh and the oil is a nice bonus too.

 

[Ramadhan]

Did anyone find it super ironic (I am refraining myself here) that Obama was calling Gaddafy all sorts of names and is punishing him for bombing and throwing missiles at the rebels, meanwhile he is giving the aacolades to the US military who is doing the exact same thing, jet bombing and missiles throwing at the rebels in Afghanistan?

Or did I miss something?

 

[Verdetequiero]

Make that the third successive sovereign MUSLIM country.

coinceidence?

Starting from the beginning

The US has also invaded 3 countries with sand in it, coincidence? I think not. Protect the sand imo.

 

[Verdetequiero]

You just have to replace "Libya" with "iraq" and Obama's speech sound awfully similar to Bushies' rethoric before Iraq invasion.

In a vacuum it is almost exactly the same.

 

[Ramadhan]

Starting from the beginning The US has also invaded 3 countries with sand in it, coincidence? I think not. Protect the sand imo.

I'm sure you've grown up enough to notice that sand are not people.

Or do people have the same value as sand in your atheistic book?

 

[Verdetequiero]

I'm sure you've grown up enough to notice that sand are not people.

Or do people have the same value as sand in your atheistic book?

The US has invaded 3 countries with facial hair? Is that a coincidence? I think not. The Zionist Christian Crusaders want to remove the only thing keeping our chops and cheek bones warm at night so that they can use it for their Illuminati inspired themes. Perhaps the infidels have ran out of their precious oil and are harvesting the faithful's warm muttonchops in order to sew blankets for the winter.

The point is that you don't have to resort to coincidence theories to oppose the Libyan intervention. There are plenty of cogent arguments such as Glen Greenwald's piece in the Salon ( I can't post a link so I would highly recommend it) but I understand the urge to dog whistle the Muslim vs the infidel crusader meme so it is understandable.