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[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

CHALLENGE - Quote the Quran chapter and verse right here and now where "your own scriptures tell muslims to read the scriptures before the qur'aan meaning the Bible etc" is clear to anyone other than yourself. You can copy and paste the passage in your reply and put in bold font the part whereby you get this understanding.

First I Never Written Any Scriptures Ok , And trying to label me doesn't change your own quraan tell muslims to read the scriptures before the quraan meaning The Bible Etc . ether you follow the words of the quraan or you don't it mattter not to me . But if your asking me does the bible tell muslims to read the quraan No . But I'm not speaking about the Bible I'm telling you what your own scriptures say no more no less . Trying to side track the question doesn't change it , it stays the SAME

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

First I Never Written Any Scriptures Ok ,

What about post #197 above. Anyway, I will do it for you....

Quran 2:136 Say: "We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us; and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants, and that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb. We do not discriminate any of them, and to Allah we have surrendered ourselves (in Islam)."

Quran 3:3 He has revealed to you this Book with the Truth, confirming the scripture which preceded it, as He revealed the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel),

Adding ayat 4

before this, as a guidance for mankind and also revealed this Al-Furqan (criterion for judgment between right and wrong). Surely those who reject Allah's revelations will be sternly punished; Allah is Mighty, capable of retribution.

These ayat do not say what you are claiming they say.

And trying to label me doesn't change your own quraan tell muslims to read the scriptures before the quraan meaning The Bible Etc .

I don't care what you are. I myself am not ashamed to say that I am a Caucasian American Muslim striving to follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and I have no hidden agenda as you apparently do.

ether you follow the words of the quraan or you don't it mattter not to me . But if your asking me does the bible tell muslims to read the quraan No .

Is this double-speak or what? I never asked this question.

But I'm not speaking about the Bible I'm telling you what your own scriptures say no more no less . Trying to side track the question doesn't change it , it stays the SAME

How is what I posted side tracking from the title question, "Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?"

I sense that you are finding it incredibly difficult to back up your claims, but I am patient.....

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

( Muslims Are Told To Read The Book Before The Quraan )

El Holy Qur'aan Chapter 89 , Verse 1 -5 ( Original order 89 ) Revealed In The Year 625 - 627 A.D. And I Quote ;Alif ; Adam -Laam ; Laytul Qadri , 'The Shadow Hour of Power ; Miym ; Muhammad ( the first and the last of the ones sent , of The Seed Of Adam ) .

Verse 2 . The Source , Allah is He ( He Not We ) who no Illaaha ( Allahs ) 'Sources ' would exist , except by way of Him ( Hu - The Force Of Creative Will ) . He is Al Hayyu ' The Everliving , Al Qayuwm '' The Subsisting . Verse 3. He ( He Not We ) Nazala 'Sent Down on you , ( Muhammad ) Al Kitaab '' The Scriptures ( Qur'aan ) Bi -Al Haqq '' With The Facts ( beyond any doubt ) , Musaddiqaan ' Confirming what is between Yadayhi ''His Hands ' ,( These are the scriptures before the Quraan ) ; and Anzala ' He Sent Down Al Tawraat '' The Torah and Al Injiy 'The Evangel ( send down the Injiyl but gave it to Yashu's / Isa ) Verse

4 . ( The other scriptures ) are Hudaa 'Calmness ' from before ( Quraan ) , for Al Naas ''The Enosites , ( the Children of Israel and the Torah ) ; And Anzala 'He Sent Down Al Furqaan ' The Differentiation . Surely , those who conceal what they know to be the facts , about Allah's Ayyaat 'Verses ' ( which are all His scriptures ) ; for them there will be a pain that is Shadiyd ' Forceful , and The Source Allah has the might , for He ( He Not We ) is the Aziyz '' Mighty of the Intiqaam ' Avenger .

Verse 5 . Surely , nothing in Al Samaa-i 'the Heavenly Skies , ( The Firmaments ) or the 'Planet Earth is Yakhfaa 'Hidden from The Source , Allah .

( 1 ) . As Suhuf [ 100 pure page ]
The book of life - 10 page .
A ) Adam Birth ( 4026 ) , death ( 3096 ) B.C.E.
1 A,C , --- 930 A.C.
Age of death --- 930 yrs .
Age completed scriptures ; 900 yrs
Date completed scriptures ; 3126 B,C,E,

As Suhuf [ 100 pure pages ]
The book of sin --- 50 pages
B ) Seth --- Birth ( 3896 ) , death ( 2984 ) B.C.E.
130 a.c. -- 1042 A.C.
Age of death --- 912 yrs
Age received the scriptures 120 yrs .
Date received scriptures 3776 B.C.E.

As Suhuf [ 100 pure pages ]
The book of Time --- 30 pages
C ) Enoch ---Birth ( 3404 ) , death ( 3039 ) B.C.E.
622 A.C. --- 987 A.C.
Age of death --- 365 yrs
Age received the scriptures 120 yrs
Date received scripture 3284 B.C.E - ( Enoch ( PBUH ) Did Not Die A Physical Death


As Suhuf [ 100 pure pages ]
The book of generation --- 10 pages
D ) Abraham --- Birth ( 2078 ) death ( 1903 ) B.C.E.
1948 A.C. --- 2123 A.C.
Age of death --- 175 yrs
Age received scriptures 120 yrs
Date received scriptures 1958 B.C.E.


Al Hikmah ( The Wisdom ) 19 Books
( 2 ) Luqman ( Leummim )
Birth ( 1791 ) death ( 1671 ) B.C.E.
2235 A.C. -- 2355 A.C.
Age of death --- 120 yrs
Age received the scriptures ; 120 yrs
Date received scriptures 1671 B.C.E.


At Tawraah ( The Torah ) - 5 Books
( 3 ) Moses --- Birth ( 1593 ) death ( 1473 ) B.C.E.
2433 a.c. --- 2553 A.D.
Age of death --- 120 yrs
Age received the scriptures 80 yrs
Date received scriptures B.C.E.
A - Genesis --- received Scriptures 1512
B - Exodus --- received Scriptures 1513
C - Leviticus -- received Scriptures 1473
D - Number -- received Scriptures 1473
E - Deuteronomy - received Scriptures 1473


Az Zubuwr ( The Psalms ) -- 150 Books
4 . David --- Birth ( 1107 ) death ( 1007 ) B.C.E.
2919 A.C. --- 3019 A.C.
Age of death --- 100 yrs
Age received the scriptures 70 yrs
Age received the scriptures 1037 B.C.E.


The Book Of Barnabas ( Joses A Levi - 222 Books )
( 5 ) Joses -- Birth ( 19 B.C.E. ) death ( 62 ) A.D.
3981 A.C. --- 4062 A.C.
Age of death --- 81 yrs
Age received the scriptures 73 yrs
Date received the scriptures 54 yrs


Al Injiy ( Evangel , Reavelation ) -- 22 Books
( 6 ) Birth ( 7 A.D. ) , death ( 127 )
4007 A.C. -- 4127 A.C.
Age of --- 120 yrs
John the apostles of Jesus inscribed Revelation on the Island of Patmos date completed scriptures 96 A.D.

Al Qur'aan [ The Koran ]
( 7 ) Muhammad ( Ahmad )
Birth ( 570 A.D. ) death 632 A.D.
4570 A.C. --- 4625 A. C.
52 B.H. --- 10 A . H .
Age of death 62 yrs
Age received the scriptures ; 40 yrs
Date received the scriptures 610 A.D.
Date completed scriptures 631 A.D.

Qur'aan , 2 ; 253 - 285 , 3 ; 1 - 91

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

What are the Compaison Between the Bible and Koran ?

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

What about post #197 above. Anyway, I will do it for you....

Quran 2:136 Say: "We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us; and what was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants, and that which was given to Musa (Moses), Isa (Jesus) and other Prophets from their Rabb. We do not discriminate any of them, and to Allah we have surrendered ourselves (in Islam)."

Quran 3:3 He has revealed to you this Book with the Truth, confirming the scripture which preceded it, as He revealed the Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel),

Adding ayat 4

before this, as a guidance for mankind and also revealed this Al-Furqan (criterion for judgment between right and wrong). Surely those who reject Allah's revelations will be sternly punished; Allah is Mighty, capable of retribution.

These ayat do not say what you are claiming they say.


I don't care what you are. I myself am not ashamed to say that I am a Caucasian American Muslim striving to follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad and I have no hidden agenda as you apparently do.


Is this double-speak or what? I never asked this question.

How is what I posted side tracking from the title question, "Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?"

I sense that you are finding it incredibly difficult to back up your claims, but I am patient.....

As long as you're side steping the truth you will never see the truth , But hey no big thing . One thing forsure you know your learning something even you teacher haven't taught you because your not allow to question him . By the way as long as your dealing with belief's You can't see the truth Quraan 17 ; 81

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

As long as you're side steping the truth you will never see the truth , But hey no big thing . One thing forsure you know your learning something even you teacher haven't taught you because your not allow to question him . By the way as long as your dealing with belief's You can't see the truth Quraan 17 ; 81

Are you a Mason?

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Are you a Mason?

I have you thinking big time don't I lolololololololol .
By the way What's a mason ?

 

[NoName55]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Are you a Mason?

If you realise that this person is using google and replies at kinda randomly copy pasting what he thinks is the closest match to subject at hand.

for example from some posts he looked like an Iranian 12ver, then NOI, then a Jew now a Mason.

It is probly better to help him by not replying to him so that he will have no incentive to post. If people ignore him, he will get worse for a while then go away to be a nuisance someplace else.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

If you realise that this person is using google and reply at kinda random by copy pasting what he thinks is the closest match to subject at hand.

for example from some posts he looked like an Iranian 12ver, then NOI, then a Jew now a Mason.

It is probly better to help him by not replying to him so that he will have no incentive to post. If people ignore him, he will get worse for a while then go away to be a nuisance someplace else.

Quite true. but at the same time we must be certain we do not guide him away from Islam. That has to be his choice and not the result of anything we say or do.

It is our responsibility to speak the words of the Qur'an for all to hear and to help answer any questions or guide them to those who can answer. We must do our best to make him welcome to read if he so desires to read.

 

[NoName55]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Quite true. but at the same time we must be certain we do not guide him away from Islam. That has to be his choice and not the result of anything we say or do.

It is our responsibility to speak the words of the Qur'an for all to hear and to help answer any questions or guide them to those who can answer. We must do our best to make him welcome to read if he so desires to read.

Thank You for the reminder (sometimes I forget).

Ma'asalaama

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

If you realise that this person is using google and reply at kinda random by copy pasting what he thinks is the closest match to subject at hand.

for example from some posts he looked like an Iranian 12ver, then NOI, then a Jew now a Mason.

It is probly better to help him by not replying to him so that he will have no incentive to post. If people ignore him, he will get worse for a while then go away to be a nuisance someplace else.

The real question here should be why haven't your teacher taught you these thing , If you have read the scriptures before the quraan like it says maybe you would know these things but no your to Lazyyyy . Having Excuses is no excuse for not knowing your own belief's , Really it's Sad , One can tell you know nothing about the NOI / Mason / Iranian teaching because you don't even know your own for that matter . My post are like NOI / Mason / Iranian teaching -- What Joke . It's no shame not knowing . But it sad when you have to go as far to makeup Lies . You make the true muslims here look bad .

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Some of these replies are getting to be too personal. We all need to remember to address the topics, not the individuals.

the topic of this thread is:

Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

The answer should be a simple yes or no. However, that answer is no longer applicable as we have no way to know what is the Bible. There are books that adherents claim to be the Bible, but what is the proof that any of them are the Tauret, Zaboor or Injil spoken of in the Qur'an?

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

...
the topic of this thread is:

"Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?"

The answer should be a simple yes or no. However, that answer is no longer applicable as we have no way to know what is the Bible. There are books that adherents claim to be the Bible, but what is the proof that any of them are the Tauret, Zaboor or Injil spoken of in the Qur'an?

Thank you, Brother Woodrow. I, of course, know the answer to this question and I have read nothing to change my mind despite persistent requests for proof. For me this thread has grown pointless.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Some of these replies are getting to be too personal. We all need to remember to address the topics, not the individuals.

the topic of this thread is:



The answer should be a simple yes or no. However, that answer is no longer applicable as we have no way to know what is the Bible. There are books that adherents claim to be the Bible, but what is the proof that any of them are the Tauret, Zaboor or Injil spoken of in the Qur'an?

With all do respect if the Quraan is from Allah , And the names of these books are in the Quraan . They must exist , Then the next question would be where are they , if the muslims don't accept that they come from the Bible , Again where are these book Allah tell muslim to read .( Just A Though ) . A yes or no answer always leads to another question What / When / Where / How / Who .

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Let me say this one more time your own scriptures tell muslims to read the scriptures before the qur'aan meaning the Bible etc . Personally I careless if you read it or not , You can't Discuss or have A Conversation about anything you don't know , And that's the real deal .

Salaam,

Actually that is your belief not what is.

Do you have Gospel according to Propeht Jesus as?
Do you have the OT testament that has not been changed?

No..so again and again we have answerd you,,we need not read any one book to have a conversaion with that person.

And since i ahve not read the bible but stiall am carying a conversation with graceseeker and izakhalevas...

So can you tell me,isnt it clear,i do not know your religon nor have i read your book,,,but i can converse with you..

Or are you saying we are not conversin about MY faith.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

With all do respect Paul of the christian says it best when it comes to women,
And I do believe muslims accept this verse Also 1Corinthians 14 ; 34 , And I Quote ; Let Your Woman Keep Silence In Churches / Masjid ; For it is not permitted unto them to speak , But they are commanded to be under obedience , As also saith the law '' .

Salaam,

Hmm..so what you are sayin is that women cant lead prayers for women?

In Islam it is allowed,and te mother of the faith as well as the other Propehts wives often preached to those in the masjid...

in Singapore,women preahers preach alongisde the men,but about gender issue it is best to leave it to the women themselves.

In the sunnah it is said that when women asked the Propeht Muhammad saw,about owmen issue,he always replied VIA his wives...
thus women can preach..they also perform dakwah ..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

First I Never Written Any Scriptures Ok , And trying to label me doesn't change your own quraan tell muslims to read the scriptures before the quraan meaning The Bible Etc . ether you follow the words of the quraan or you don't it mattter not to me . But if your asking me does the bible tell muslims to read the quraan No . But I'm not speaking about the Bible I'm telling you what your own scriptures say no more no less . Trying to side track the question doesn't change it , it stays the SAME

Salaam,

Since you are not amuslim .....and we are muslim isnt it better to ask us what the verses in teh Quran mean?

I mena as you have pointed out,you need to know about the other faith to have a conversation but here you are,proving yourself false.

Why dont you post the verses so we MUSLIM can explain to you a non-muslim what it means..

Simple?

But if you like to continue in your erronous way,then that is your choice.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

What are the Compaison Between the Bible and Koran ?

salaam,

To ask a new question create a new thread.

Are you satisfied that we need not read hte other religioon books to understand and have a conversation?

Or you will change the issue again?

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Quite true. but at the same time we must be certain we do not guide him away from Islam. That has to be his choice and not the result of anything we say or do.

It is our responsibility to speak the words of the Qur'an for all to hear and to help answer any questions or guide them to those who can answer. We must do our best to make him welcome to read if he so desires to read.

Salaam,

I agree,we cannot leave any question unreplied.

Tell him he truth as is in Islam..not in the way he sees it.

Should he continue in his way,then he sin doubly for now he know the truth but WILLINGLY LIE..

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salaam,

I agree,we cannot leave any question unreplied.

Tell him he truth as is in Islam..not in the way he sees it.

Should he continue in his way,then he sin doubly for now he know the truth but WILLINGLY LIE..

ok if you say so LOLOLOLOLOLOL