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[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Jacka$$ is another name for a foolish person who is as stubborn as a donkey like creature.And no I dont curse in masjid or anywhere else, Allah is the one who curses a shaitan like you. BTW I am housebound and unable to attend Masjid

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P.S my post was addressed to my sister and not to you.

nonames < says > Allah is the one who curses a shaitan like you .


Ever though Allah curse you but of your mouth .

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

In the famous Orthodox Sunni Muslim dictionary entitled '' Dictionary Of Islam '' Arabic is described as '' By Reason Of It's Incomparable Excellence Is Called Al Lughah . Of The Language . '' Very little has been written about the origing of the so-called Arabic language . However , It is clear that Arabic is not a language , It is a dialect composed of many borrowed words from other languages . As a matter of fact . 50% of The Arabic language is foreign word from other dialects of The Semitic Family . This is something that most Muslims don't want to admit .

Now , Getting back to the point , In the original Qur'anic script you will not find the letters ; Baa , Taa,Thaa . Dhal , Zay , Sheen ,Daad , Zaa , Ghiyn , or Qaf , Again these letters weren't found because there were originally , No Nuqta Dots , On the letters . If The Nuqtas were not addded to the letters , Most people could not tell the difference bettween A Baa , Taa , And Thaa
. The same applies to the letters Sheen , And Siyn , Daad , And Saad , And the likes . As you place The Nuqta over different letters , It changes the meaning of the word . Take a look at the following chart .

Word .......... Variations Of Word
Hamada .......... Dahaba
Hamadha.......... Dhahaba
Khamada ......... Dahata
Khamadha......... Dhahata
Jamada ......... Dahata
Hamadha ........ Dhahatha
.

Wish I had read this none sense earlier I'd have spared everyone so much time
here we go really quickly now since I want to get to bed
let's take بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِِ
as an ex. shall we
the first letter of bism whether or not having the dot on the B would still be read as bism, it wouldn't make sense any other way, there is no tism, there is no thism-- the second letter which is a seem more of a c than an S would still be read as b--sm, not bishm as a sheen would be the only other thing resembling the seen. wouldn't make good grammatical sense-- the next is Allah of course needs no punctuation, the next from there is Ar'rahman, would still not be read anything other than ar rahman since there no other letters like noon whether the noon had the dot on top of not a noon is smaller than a ta or a tha but if we were to ignore the shape of the noon with or without the dot, if we were to confuse them with the other words, would still make no sense as there is no such thing as bism ar rahmat or bism ar'rhmath, the next is ar'rheem, and the two dots under the yaa, couldn't be mistaken for anything else, as again whether we confuse it with a ba, the only other thing with a dot on the bottom, it would be arheeb and there is no such word in Arabic as raheeb... hope that takes care of your nonsense in a nutshell.. tashkeel in Arabic didn't give the words a different meaning, it simply made it easier on non-Arabic speakers. Any Arabic speaker (myself included) would tell you it makes no difference whatsoever... You want to go Arabic one one one? I have absolutely no reservation, bring it on!
though, I am convinced you are in need of a beano and benzodiazepines concoction .. perhaps tomorrow you can do better? but I doubt it!

peace!

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Jacka$$ is another name for a foolish person who is as stubborn as a donkey like creature.And no I dont curse in masjid or anywhere else, Allah is the one who curses a shaitan like you. BTW I am housebound and unable to attend Masjid

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P.S my post was addressed to my sister and not to you.

My preceptors always taught me, there is nothing more dangerous than little knowledge... it misconstrues and loudly the little it knows-- it exudes pompousness and stands on ignorance! a little wind comes its way and it blows, so my advise is don't feed the dog and it will die!

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Wish I had read this none sense earlier I'd have spared everyone so much time
here we go really quickly now since I want to get to bed
let's take بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِِ
as an ex. shall we
the first letter of bism whether or not having the dot on the B would still be read as bism, it wouldn't make sense any other way, there is no tism, there is no thism-- the second letter which is a seem more of a c than an S would still be read as b--sm, not bishm as a sheen would be the only other thing resembling the seen. wouldn't make good grammatical sense-- the next is Allah of course needs no punctuation, the next from there is Ar'rahman, would still not be read anything other than ar rahman since there no other letters like noon whether the noon had the dot on top of not a noon is smaller than a ta or a tha but if we were to ignore the shape of the noon with or without the dot, if we were to confuse them with the other words, would still make no sense as there is no such thing as bism ar rahmat or bism ar'rhmath, the next is ar'rheem, and the two dots under the yaa, couldn't be mistaken for anything else, as again whether we confuse it with a ba, the only other thing with a dot on the bottom, it would be arheeb and there is no such word in Arabic as raheeb... hope that takes care of your nonsense in a nutshell.. tashkeel in Arabic didn't give the words a different meaning, it simply made it easier on non-Arabic speakers. Any Arabic speaker (myself included) would tell you it makes no difference whatsoever... You want to go Arabic one one one? I have absolutely no reservation, bring it on!
though, I am convinced you are in need of a beano and benzodiazepines concoction .. perhaps tomorrow you can do better? but I doubt it!

peace!

My my are we upset LOLOLOLOL
Those who will seek out the book will know the real dead , Those who don't will still have doubt .

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Order the book if your not afraid ok . Maybe you'll learning something beside being silly .

Salaam,

I am sorry are you going back on your word?

You did say you post and do not make claim BUT BASED ON FACTS

So surely you should have the facts on hand before you make such a claim.

So pls impress on us your oknowledge,share with us who say it has been met..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

I do believe you change the subject when you ask the above question didn't you step on your lip this time didn't You . LOLOLOLOLOLOL Now When they order the book that can thank you for puting there business in the street ,

Salaam,

You changed the subject and asked a different question.

So pls provide the FACTS to your claims.

Do prove yourself to be true to your word

So pls provide the Facts that say we muslim worhsip Propeht Muhammad saw?

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

My preceptors always taught me, there is nothing more dangerous than little knowledge... it misconstrues and loudly the little it knows-- it exudes pompousness and stands on ignorance! a little wind comes its way and it blows, so my advise is don't feed the dog and it will die!

To Desire Security Is A Sign Of Insecurity

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Those are really interested can order the book .
Well Guess What ? It Took Many Years For Anyone To Take The Challenge Seriously . But When They Did . The Challenge Was Met In The Year 1987 A.D. In A Book Entitled

You Can Acquite This Book From The Zwemer Institure , P.O.Box 385 , Altadena California U.S.A. The Qur'an Eloquence Was Met By A Great Poet From Lebanon By A Man Named Kahlil Gibran In A Book He Wrote Entitled ''


And We'll let them see if Challenge Has / Was Met , Let them be the judge if what I post cut-paste . After they have read the book It's only FAIR Right ! Remember Zulkiflim ask of this not me .


I knew way before I post this you wouldn't accept it this was expected , Your Muslims Your not going to agree this , You think I didn't know this going to happen .

Going to your favorite website Doesn't change thing book have already been written .

The book " '' The Life Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' By Abdo " is making the claim that Gibran's book "The Prophet" is what had met the Challange. I have posted a link to The original "The Prophet" in it's original Arabic as written by Gibran. I am even offering for you to judge for yourself if it had met the challenge. I did give you a hint it was not written in Qur'anic Arabic, but in Syriac.

I will not deny Gibran was a very good writer and he is on my favorites, I am certain he is a favorite of many who read Arabic and English. But, keep in mind Gibran did not speak Arabic as his native language. He learned it later. His native language was English. The reason I mention that is because apparantly he thought and composed in English and translate his thoughts into Arabic. Which is a hard feat to do and he did do it well. However, like "The Prophet" his writing is much more beautiful in Englsh then it is is Arabic. But, I will concede even in Arabic it is still very nice.

But the fact is it is not Qur'anic Arabic, it does not carry any real rythm in Arabic and the Arabic although enjoyable is somewhat nonsensical compared to his English versions.

The Book by Abdo you have been expounding as having met the challange only says that Gibran's Book "The Prophet' met the challange. The site about the book from which it appears you took much of your information from is a NOI site. I am only posting the link to the site as it does not contain any info you have not mentioned in your post except it shows it's name as being NOI.

Here is the link that you have been forgetting to provide.

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35422

Edit: My error the site is not NOI it is a chat forum for Black Americans and basicaly not a religious forum. I jumped to the conlusion it was NOI because of the nature of the first few posts I read. In favor of that site it should be noted that the member Issa121, who had posted the info you appear to have quoted from, has been banned from that site.

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

My my are we upset LOLOLOLOL
Those who will seek out the book will know the real dead , Those who don't will still have doubt .

is this some sort of clever riddle?

To Desire Security Is A Sign Of Insecurity

I have no desire for anything as far as you are concerned. I believe I have addressed each and everyone of your delusions yesterday. I'd not mind dedicating the time, should you bring the Quran, and in Arabic bring me the words that you feel would have been mistaken for others due to the dots on the hiroof. I'll go over it one by one if the need should arise... I have already demonstrated with ease, how "tashkeel", is there for no other reason, other than to help non-native Arabic speakers when reading the Quran, it wouldn't make one bit of a difference to those who recite it daily if a B has no dot on the bottom , two or three or four.

As for your other allegation, again I have demonstrated with ease how no book of poetry has any resemblance to the Quran, and I am very familiar with the works of Khalil Gibran, as I have volumes of his poetry here in my home library, and was part of my curriculum in the Arabic country where I studied for four years, so go ahead and bring me the poems that you think are Quran like, in context, style, meaning and wisdom. Show me their transcendence.. Don't be a fool when cornered not knowing how to get out of the predicament you've created for yourself by other means than saying go read the book. You should discuss what you know with some dexterity, not with a cut and paste! Perhaps at some point you can get over these fits of cachinnation, Now that you've lost all reason to make sense?
peace

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

The book " '' The Life Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' By Abdo " is making the claim that Gibran's book "The Prophet" is what had met the Challange. I have posted a link to The original "The Prophet" in it's original Arabic as written by Gibran. I am even offering for you to judge for yourself if it had met the challenge. I did give you a hint it was not written in Qur'anic Arabic, but in Syriac.

I will not deny Gibran was a very good writer and he is on my favorites, I am certain he is a favorite of many who read Arabic and English. But, keep in mind Gibran did not speak Arabic as his native language. He learned it later. His native language was English. The reason I mention that is because apparantly he thought and composed in English and translate his thoughts into Arabic. Which is a hard feat to do and he did do it well. However, like "The Prophet" his writing is much more beautiful in Englsh then it is is Arabic. But, I will concede even in Arabic it is still very nice.

But the fact is it is not Qur'anic Arabic, it does not carry any real rythm in Arabic and the Arabic although enjoyable is somewhat nonsensical compared to his English versions.

The Book by Abdo you have been expounding as having met the challange only says that Gibran's Book "The Prophet' met the challange. The site about the book from which it appears you took much of your information from is a NOI site. I am only posting the link to the site as it does not contain any info you have not mentioned in your post except it shows it's name as being NOI.

Here is the link that you have been forgetting to provide.

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35422

Edit: My error the site is not NOI it is a chat forum for Black Americans and basicaly not a religious forum. I jumped to the conlusion it was NOI because of the nature of the first few posts I read. In favor of that site it should be noted that the member Issa121, who had posted the info you appear to have quoted from, has been banned from that site.

I am surprised that Khalil Gibran doesn't have any followers and a religion of his own with a political influence, religious, and ritualistic system-- considering any sort of a nut with two cents worth if a tale ends up having quite a large following. Movement formed the Branch Davidian managed to brain wash enough people into committing suicide-- L. Ron Hubbard's quite the following with Scientology, many other new ones out of India, I forget the name of the guy, was recently on the discovery channel, had 93 cars and a new religion and people were flocking over to his resort to dance away a new form of worship yet here khalil Gibran meets the challenge of the Quran in message, eloquency and poetry etc etc etc-- and doesn't have one follower.. a crying shame!
Anyhow, I have had enough of this topic.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

The book " '' The Life Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' By Abdo " is making the claim that Gibran's book "The Prophet" is what had met the Challange. I have posted a link to The original "The Prophet" in it's original Arabic as written by Gibran. I am even offering for you to judge for yourself if it had met the challenge. I did give you a hint it was not written in Qur'anic Arabic, but in Syriac.

I will not deny Gibran was a very good writer and he is on my favorites, I am certain he is a favorite of many who read Arabic and English. But, keep in mind Gibran did not speak Arabic as his native language. He learned it later. His native language was English. The reason I mention that is because apparantly he thought and composed in English and translate his thoughts into Arabic. Which is a hard feat to do and he did do it well. However, like "The Prophet" his writing is much more beautiful in Englsh then it is is Arabic. But, I will concede even in Arabic it is still very nice.

But the fact is it is not Qur'anic Arabic, it does not carry any real rythm in Arabic and the Arabic although enjoyable is somewhat nonsensical compared to his English versions.

The Book by Abdo you have been expounding as having met the challange only says that Gibran's Book "The Prophet' met the challange. The site about the book from which it appears you took much of your information from is a NOI site. I am only posting the link to the site as it does not contain any info you have not mentioned in your post except it shows it's name as being NOI.

Here is the link that you have been forgetting to provide.

http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35422

Edit: My error the site is not NOI it is a chat forum for Black Americans and basicaly not a religious forum. I jumped to the conlusion it was NOI because of the nature of the first few posts I read. In favor of that site it should be noted that the member Issa121, who had posted the info you appear to have quoted from, has been banned from that site.

With all do respect Muslims said it couldn't be done , I do believe when they put that Challange out their , They were speaking to any faith / religion could take the Challange , So yes Challange has been Met . Overstand something if you can ok , I knew when the brother put the question to me he though he was saying something smart , But he step on his Lips on that one .

Let's Be Real Here Ok Me And You Man To Man Ok . 90% Of People Of Religion Be It Islam , Christians Etc Etc . Know Nothing About Their Faith / Belief's Etc . Etc . They Only Accept / Believe What They're Told By Their So-Called Teacher , Because They Fear Being Called Names Like The Devil Etc Etc . And Kick Out Of The Congregation / Masjid Etc .

If They Began To Question About Their Teaching . Now You Will Have Some Say They're Allow To Question Their Teacher . You And I Both Know Thats A Lie , Why You Say , Because As Soon As They Start Questioning Their Teacher Like I Have Done Here They Are Labe A Trouble Maker Etc . And They Will Be Kick Out Of The Congregation / Masjid Etc . They're Never Allow To Ask WHAT / WHEN / WHERE / HOW / WHO , They Never Do Any Research On There Own .

Those 10% Who Do Have Little Knowledge They To Only Know What They Have Been Taught By There Teacher , When These People Are Ask Question , They Go To Their Favorite Website That Agree With Their School Of Though , And Say These Are The True Words Of Allah / God / Yahuwa Etc . And They Will Get Up Set With The Quick-ness , If You Don't Accept What They Call The Words Of The Most High .

Then They Go On A Mission , The insult began saying they're cuting / pasteing Etc Etc Etc Then your banned . Now what I Find Veryyyyyy Funny They're over 80 diffrent Sect of Muslims All Claiming they have the truth , Now If I Ask How Could This Be True , When these 80 diffrent sect have diffrent schools of though , They always have this funny look on there faces .


Now you speak of the N.O.I. Yes , Now I don't agree with some of their teaching but I Do have much RESPECT for The Messenger Elijah Muhammad For What He Did For The Nubian People Here In The West ,

Back To The Post At Hand Those Who Really Want To See If The Challenge Have Been Met Will Seek Out The Book For Themselves . And Judge For Themselves , And Not Fear Of Judgement From Other . As I Have Said Many Time In My Post Here I'm Not Here To Convert ANYONE HERE people can Agree or Disagree . I Have no heaven / hell to put them in , So relaxxxxx

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

With all do respect Muslims said it couldn't be done , I do believe when they put that Challange out their , They were speaking to any faith / religion could take the Challange , So yes Challange has been Met .

How has it been met, on what level? let's have a keen critical analysis bring it on!

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

With all do respect Muslims said it couldn't be done , I do believe when they put that Challange out their , They were speaking to any faith / religion could take the Challange , So yes Challange has been Met . Overstand something if you can ok , I knew when the brother put the question to me he though he was saying something smart , But he step on his Lips on that one .

Let's Be Real Here Ok Me And You Man To Man Ok . 90% Of People Of Religion Be It Islam , Christians Etc Etc . Know Nothing About Their Faith / Belief's Etc . Etc . They Only Accept / Believe What They're Told By Their So-Called Teacher , Because They Fear Being Called Names Like The Devil Etc Etc . And Kick Out Of The Congregation / Masjid Etc .

I find it difficult to beleive that Muslims accept because it is what they have been told. Many Muslims do not attend nor have taken any form of Islamic classes. We are encourged to seek and learn on our own. Those of us who are reverts had to learn through much self research and to come to a personal understanding that we have found verifiable fact.

If They Began To Question About Their Teaching . Now You Will Have Some Say They're Allow To Question Their Teacher . You And I Both Know Thats A Lie , Why You Say , Because As Soon As They Start Questioning Their Teacher Like I Have Done Here They Are Labe A Trouble Maker Etc . And They Will Be Kick Out Of The Congregation / Masjid Etc . They're Never Allow To Ask WHAT / WHEN / WHERE / HOW / WHO , They Never Do Any Research On There Own .

How the heck does a Muslim get kicked out of a Mosque? We do not belong to any type of membership in one. Most Mosques have no record as to who comes.

Those 10% Who Do Have Little Knowledge They To Only Know What They Have Been Taught By There Teacher , When These People Are Ask Question , They Go To Their Favorite Website That Agree With Their School Of Though , And Say These Are The True Words Of Allah / God / Yahuwa Etc . And They Will Get Up Set With The Quick-ness , If You Don't Accept What They Call The Words Of The Most High .

As a Muslim I have gone through many instructors, each of whm I have selected myself based upon which I felt they could teach me. I do not necessarily agree fully with any of them, but I do use their words as guidance to help me understand the Qur'an and the Ahadith. My original Arabic language teachers were not even Muslim.

Then They Go On A Mission , The insult began saying they're cuting / pasteing Etc Etc Etc Then your banned . Now what I Find Veryyyyyy Funny They're over 80 diffrent Sect of Muslims All Claiming they have the truth , Now If I Ask How Could This Be True , When these 80 diffrent sect have diffrent schools of though , They always have this funny look on there faces .

I take cutting and pasting very seriously. It is permissable for a person to cut and paste. However, when cutting and pasting is done it is essential that a link be given that goes back to the source. There is no problem with cutting and pasting, but there is a such thing as violation of copy right laws for failure to acknowldge and credit the source. If a person gets banned because they are cutting and pasting it is not because they are cutting and pasting it is because they are breaking the law and engaging in plagarism.

We do not deny there are many who call themselves Muslim but who do not follow Islam. the simple fact is if a person does not follow Islam they are not a Muslim no matter what they call themselves.

Now you speak of the N.O.I. Yes , Now I don't agree with some of their teaching but I Do have much RESPECT for The Messenger Elijah Muhammad For What He Did For The Nubian People Here In The West ,

The only quarral I have with NOI is that they are often mistaken as being Muslim and some people believe they are Muslim

Back To The Post At Hand Those Who Really Want To See If The Challenge Have Been Met Will Seek Out The Book For Themselves . And Judge For Themselves , And Not Fear Of Judgement From Other . As I Have Said Many Time In My Post Here I'm Not Here To Convert ANYONE HERE people can Agree or Disagree . I Have no heaven / hell to put them in , So relaxxxxx

The book itself is written in English, so the book it self has not met the challenge. The book is claiming that Gibran's book "The Prophet" is what met the Challange. As I have stated before It is one of my favorite books, and I have even posted a link to the book in it's original Arabic so you can see for your self that there is not one word in it that has met the Qur'anic Challenge.

And why do I have to buy the Book you recommend as I can have had read it here at the local library.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salaam,

Balthasar,may i remind you thn you said you make claims based on facts.

SO Pls provide the facts ....instead of changing the subject.

Can we get one clear answer from him?

Who say the Challenge has been met?
Can you provide us with the linguist who claim so.

And why does he say that muslim worship Propeht Muhammad saw.
Pls provide FACTS for you to make this claim..

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

My my are we upset LOLOLOLOL
Those who will seek out the book will know the real dead , Those who don't will still have doubt .

After reading through the posts and looking through various links. Perhaps you did not mean the English version of that book. As the book you are recommending is basicaly just an opinion as to how the Challenge was met. The actual book written in 1987 and presented as a challenge to the Qur'an is the Arabic: "Sirit al-Maseeh" Which was written specifically for Arabic Christians. It was an attempt to re-write the Gospels of the New Testement into Qur'anic Arabic.

Here is a Brief review of it in PDF Format:

http://www.ijfm.org/PDFs_IJFM/21_1_PDFs/06_12_Harley3.pdf

I am now searching for an Arabic version of it and if I find one I will post it. I want you to judge for your self if it has met the challenge.

I suspect that you may not understand enough Arabic to actually comprehend what the Qur'anic challenge is actually asking. I should ask you to tell us in your own words what you think it means. To myself it means that an original writting similar to the Qur'an can not be written in Qur'anic Arabic.

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

I find it difficult to beleive that Muslims accept because it is what they have been told. Many Muslims do not attend nor have taken any form of Islamic classes. We are encourged to seek and learn on our own. Those of us who are reverts had to learn through much self research and to come to a personal understanding that we have found verifiable fact.



How the heck does a Muslim get kicked out of a Mosque? We do not belong to any type of membership in one. Most Mosques have no record as to who comes.


As a Muslim I have gone through many instructors, each of whm I have selected myself based upon which I felt they could teach me. I do not necessarily agree fully with any of them, but I do use their words as guidance to help me understand the Qur'an and the Ahadith. My original Arabic language teachers were not even Muslim.



I take cutting and pasting very seriously. It is permissable for a person to cut and paste. However, when cutting and pasting is done it is essential that a link be given that goes back to the source. There is no problem with cutting and pasting, but there is a such thing as violation of copy right laws for failure to acknowldge and credit the source. If a person gets banned because they are cutting and pasting it is not because they are cutting and pasting it is because they are breaking the law and engaging in plagarism.

We do not deny there are many who call themselves Muslim but who do not follow Islam. the simple fact is if a person does not follow Islam they are not a Muslim no matter what they call themselves.




The only quarral I have with NOI is that they are often mistaken as being Muslim and some people believe they are Muslim




The book itself is written in English, so the book it self has not met the challenge. The book is claiming that Gibran's book "The Prophet" is what met the Challange. As I have stated before It is one of my favorite books, and I have even posted a link to the book in it's original Arabic so you can see for your self that there is not one word in it that has met the Qur'anic Challenge.

And why do I have to buy the Book you recommend as I can have had read it here at the local library.

Why are we danceing around here , When the Challange was put out their it was put their for anyone who felt they could do it , It matter not if it was a Christians or whoever it was met . The brother who call him self saying something smart , Challange me to prove if it happen , not knowing I knew what he was saying , It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to know that Muslims Will Never Admit the Challange has been Met rather it was in Arabic / Hebrew / Greek / Latin / English , With it many Dialect / Translation , Muslims themselves can't even agree to what translation it pure / origianal Arabic .

And example of how translator can't agree on the meaning of words is the word '' Taqwa . Qur'an 71 ; 3 use the '' Ataquwhu which means '' Tremble And Fear Him '' . However . When they translate it to english , They have all kinds of meaning for this one word .


According to the Maulana Muhammad Ali Version 1917 A.D. Which is the version '' The Ahmadiyyah Sect and the N.O.I. Uses , Taqwa is translated as
'' Keep Your Duty ''


According to the Abdullah Yusuf Ali version 1938 A.D. Which is the version The Orthodox Sunni Muslims and The Bilialian sect use . Taqwa is translated as '' Keep Your Duty ''


According to the Dr. Rashad Khakifa version 1981 A.D. Which is the version '' Submitters Perspective uses , Taqwa is translated as '' Work Righteousness ''


According to the Bounteous Koran version 1984 A.D. Which is the version that '' Al Azhar University and many other sects use '' Taqwa is translated as '' Venerate Him ''


According to the Holy Quran By M.H. Shakir , 1985 A.D. Which is the version The Shi'ite sect uses . Taqwa is Translated as '' Careful Of ( Your Duty To )


According to the Holy Qur'an By S.V. Mir Ahmed Ali version , 1988 A.D. Which is the another version of The Shi'ites , The Holy Ahlul Bait , Uses , Taqwa is translated as '' Fear Him ''


I'm sure you can go to your Favorite website and find many more Translator Who also have diffrent meaning for words , And Diffrent schools of though to back up what your trying to prove .


The bottom line here as it was in The Begining The challenge has been Met . Trying to draw me into these word game doesn't change that it has been Met


It only prove what I been saying about the diffrent School Of Though . It's Trying To Tell Christians Yashu'a , Isa Jesus Christ Isn't God . I Stand On What I Said And I Will Not Change It No Mattter What Verse Of Arabic / Hebrew / Greek / Latin / English , With it many Dialect / Translation .

In The Above You Say You Have Read The Book So you knew When I Post It The challenge has been Met . But Your Not Accepting It Because you don't accet the Translation . LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I'm Done With The Game .

 

[Balthasar21]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

After reading through the posts and looking through various links. Perhaps you did not mean the English version of that book. As the book you are recommending is basicaly just an opinion as to how the Challenge was met. The actual book written in 1987 and presented as a challenge to the Qur'an is the Arabic: "Sirit al-Maseeh" Which was written specifically for Arabic Christians. It was an attempt to re-write the Gospels of the New Testement into Qur'anic Arabic.

Here is a Brief review of it in PDF Format:

http://www.ijfm.org/PDFs_IJFM/21_1_PDFs/06_12_Harley3.pdf

I am now searching for an Arabic version of it and if I find one I will post it. I want you to judge for your self if it has met the challenge.

I suspect that you may not understand enough Arabic to actually comprehend what the Qur'anic challenge is actually asking. I should ask you to tell us in your own words what you think it means. To myself it means that an original writting similar to the Qur'an can not be written in Qur'anic Arabic.

Thank you but the brother who Challenge me to prove if the Challenge had been Met , Didn't say what language but I new what he meant Arabic .

This Is What Put Forth 1400 Years Ago


The very Qur'an puts forth A 1400 Year Old Challenge To Produce A Book Or A Chapter Or A Verse Like It ; Claiming That It Is Impossible For Anyone With The Help Of All The Pages And Al The Ink In The World . To Produce One Verse . Chapter Or The Whole Book Like It . And This Request Was Made In Several Places In Qur'an 52 ; 34 , 17 ; 88 , 11 ; 13 and 2 ; 23 .

The brother was trying to put me on the spot LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[جوري]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Thank you but the brother who Challenge me to prove if the Challenge had been Met , Didn't say what language but I new what he meant Arabic .

This Is What Put Forth 1400 Years Ago


The very Qur'an puts forth A 1400 Year Old Challenge To Produce A Book Or A Chapter Or A Verse Like It ; Claiming That It Is Impossible For Anyone With The Help Of All The Pages And Al The Ink In The World . To Produce One Verse . Chapter Or The Whole Book Like It . And This Request Was Made In Several Places In Qur'an 52 ; 34 , 17 ; 88 , 11 ; 13 and 2 ; 23 .

The brother was trying to put me on the spot LOLOLOLOLOLOL

the challenge was to bring at least one sura like the quran be it the shortest sura, suret Al-kawthar which is only three verses long. And the challenge hasn't been met. If it has it would have made international news, not a paroxysm of lols on a tiny Islamic forum.
Do you speak Arabic? if you can please carry out a conversation with me now. and explain to me how Khalil has met the challenge?

this should take care of your other problem of what taqwa means

تَقْوَى مـــصــــــدر تُقَى
fear of God , godliness , God-fearingness , devoutness , pietism , religiosity , religiousness

Sakhr Arabic/English dictionary

Again I ask, are we done here?

 

[Zulkiflim]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salaam,

I wish he would answer a straight question.
how can we have a discussion he dont POST FACTS?

He evades every direct question..

Seems he dont follow his mantra that he only makes claim with FACTS but is not prepared to back it up

 

[Walter]

Re: Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

Salaam,

It is a simple thing in Islam.

there is a verse that ask any prson of any faith ,,either individual or a gropup to produce a book like the Quran.

If you cna produce a book..

then a chapter

If you cant produce a chapter then a verse..

If you do not accept the challenge..then you make your choice.
If you accept the challenge and fail,as surely you will,but still lie,,then you **** yourself.

And assuredly this challenge applies 1400 years ago till now.

This is incredible. The start of yet another off topic challenge that has resulted in pages and pages of off topic banter. This thread has been corrupted by over 12 pages of off topic banter - more than half of the thread.

Zulkiflim, why did you not simply start a new thread? GOOD GRIEF!!!!!


Hi MustafaMc:

Your replies seem to indicate that you have not read my recent postings to Al Habeshi on this thread. However, I cannot blame you as it is VERY TIME CONSUMING to search through the off topic banter that this thread has attracted.

1. It was already agreed that 7:89-90 should have been 6:89-90.

2. I do not agree that 6:155-156 refers to the Koran. Please see my reply to Al Habeshi #153 and 158 (if you can find them).

3. You noted: "Yes, these Books existed at his time along with their errors and changes. These are the very reasons that we are NOT instructed to study the Bible for guidance!"

Please provide some evidence from the Koran where you are not instructed to study the Bible for guidance.

Please also provide some evidence that the Bible contains significant errors or changes. Actually, if you respond to this (off topic) request, then I shall start a new thread so that we can discuss it further - SO THAT WE DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CORRUPTION OF THIS THREAD!

Regards,
Grenville