Offending others

[h-n]

.... and Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, cartoonists, Rushdie, etc do not apologize to muslims for offending them.

I find your post quite ironic given how muslims have become famous for being the most easily offended people, and most prone to reacting badly to such offense. I don't recall homosexual or idol worshiper attacks on embasies. I also find your post above ironic given how non-muslims have been addressed on this board ever since I got here. It gets very visceral very fast sometimes, if you merely put a label other than muslim on your name and say nothing much at all.

At the end of the day, my own position is that nobody has the right not to be offended. You should say what you want to say. I would ask you to keep it polite and refrain from personal attacks, but if you find atheists to be lost, depraved, doing harm to the world with their lack of faith, etc, I'm happy to hear your position. Just be ready to hear disagreement.

Muslims care about things so of course we are going to be upset, people who accept lewd relationships, sex outside of marriage, what do you expect them to be "offended" by??

Just because you dirty your shirt, doesn't mean its OK for others' to have theirs dirtied.

There is nothing that you can say that can go against Islam, Islam has survived from the time of Prophet Adam peace be upon him, who bowed down to Allah in worship and sacrificed just as the Muslims do now.

 

[Abz2000]

dear glo, do you consider this to be hate speech?:

1. The Righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away,

none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

2. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
3. But draw near hither, ye sons of the adulterer and the wh0re.
4. Against whom do ye sport yourselves?
Against whome make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue?
Are ye not the children of transgression, a seed of falsehood,
5. Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree,
Slaying the children in the valleys under the clefts of rocks?
ISAIAH 57 : 1-5

consider this too:

http://s248.photobucket.com/user/abz2000123/media/fallujah_zpsc6e766fe.jpg.html

 

[h-n]

If I understand it correctly, Christians believe Jesus is Gods human form on earth...not a separate deity.

They are in a mess, at the time of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, when we received the Quran, there were Christians who accepted that Jesus was a Man, a Prophet and not a son of God. Others accepted that he is a son of God and part of the "holy trinity"

But to go over a few things the Christians have been saying as they say anything to suit their needs;-

- there are Christians who say that he is God in human form,
- there are Christians who say that he is a son of God,
- when I spoke to Christians and mentioned that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him could not judge them on the Day of Judgement, as he is not all hearing, all seeing (and that God, Creator is not just the stage builder on the Day of Judgement), they added attributes in order to rival others, they say that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him is all seeing, all hearing.

-they say that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him prayed to his "father" in heaven-are they saying that he prayed to himself???

-God is seated upon a throne above the heavens, the angels are in constant worship of him, he controls the planets and everything, he would not create a women and then having to be given "birth" to. Anyone who accepts the 10 commandments, that there is only one God, to commit no idol worship would find this abhorrent.

- Prophet Jesus peace be upon him will be coming back to this world, he is the bravest, toughest man on this planet on arrival and will be killing the Dajjal (anti-christ), this is a time when the US would not exist etc. There is reference that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him will be getting married-would the Christians be calling her a Goddess too??

- As God stated, Prophet Jesus peace be upon him and Mary, slept, ate food etc, they were just like any other. His arrival is similar to Prophet Adam peace be upon him when he was created and had not father.

-the Christians say that a body cannot go into Heaven, but Prophet Jesus peace be upon him will not be getting a new body when he comes back down.

The fact is that the Christians did not support the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, and were afraid of the authorities rather then the one God, even after all the miracles that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him showed. This is why it can be argued that the Muslims are more successful as they stood by and listened to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and so were guided, even the Jews were left wandering in the desert after refusing to fight and just telling Prophet Moses peace be upon him and God to do all the work for them. The Jews treated the Prophets as if they are here to provide them with what they want, but they are only here to give a "message", hence known as Messengers and warners.

 

[WarriorforMarie]

I've already answered it at least twice!!!

All the Christians, the Jews and Muslims are in agreement that the Prophets all came with message that there is the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

Were we differ is that the Christians say that the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him is their saviour, even though by their own admission the Prophets advised people to worship the one God, remember the Day of Judgement and Paradise and Hell-ie the 10 commandments.

The Jews now say that Hell does not exist, and neither is Satan evil, and that there are not any devils, they do however agree that Jews in the past did accept Hell, but they say that they are influenced by idol worshippers beliefs (were they have no proof), and they complain that they Muslims say they change their texts. They agree that sorcery existed, but that devils do not, but sorcery is asking the devils to do their deeds for them.

They also left out the story of the Prophet Solomon peace be upon him in being in control of the winds, the devils from the bible (which we have in the Quran). Allah has a right to talk about the Prophets has they belong to him. It is a no brainer that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was needed, were even at the time idol worship was rife, but the Christians could not help with their idol worship, nor the Jews for picking and choosing out of religion (ie hiding a text on punishment for adultery), looking for the life of the world.

The Jews accept that Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him, built many places of worship, and that the Kaaba in Mecca is one of them. We the angels also go around God's throne and so we mimic the movement. We have a lunar calendar similar to the Jews.

I am 100% correct in Islam.

I am sorry for asking. It is just that I don not understand. Also I must ask again, because I asked why you believe you are right but what you answered with is what you believe is right. I am not interested in what you believe, but why. Do you believe yours is the right religion because when you read the Quran or prey you have a feeling? Did God show you a sign?

 

[loveofgod]

I am 100% correct in Islam.

But your attitude is not correct. You are pretty harsh. If I was Muslim I wouldn't listen to you.

 

[Iceee]

If I was Muslim I wouldn't listen to you.

Salaam / Peace Be Upon You.

We muslims DO NOT listen to a random stranger talking/preaching without any qualifications to knowledge about Islam. It's like asking a question about your body to a madman, instead of a doctor. Please be careful what you say. If you turn to Islam, you shouldn't listen like what you mentioned. You should seek help from Imams, Scholars, Mufti's and elders who are qualified in the Islamic field. I read the sister's comments as well. If you have questions and you don't feel like listening, then go to the mosque and Inshallah a Imam can answer your question for you.

Did God show you a sign?

Look all around you. Where did everything come from? The answer is in the Quran and from the Hadiths of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Have scientist explain everything right now as to where everything came from, they won't stand a chance when they die in this Dunya and are in front of Allah Subhanahuwatallah.

Salaam.

 

[Abz2000]

God has shown us many signs, sometimes so amazing that it's difficult to explain and expect others to believe it.
But there are more signs that are simple to comprehend and rationalise, although they are not as on obvious and require deep contemplation.
You would have to disregard all that you've learnt about how it all came into being, and just bear in mind what you've learnt about how it is happening.
Lie down for a while, stare at the stars, let no-one interrupt you and contemplate on everything you see, and you may come to the understanding that non of it can just happen by chance, the harmony and intertwining relationships of the sun, the moon, the planet, our own amazing bodies, the trees, the co2 the oxygen, how everything relies on everything else, the baby's inspiration to take the only thing it needs for it's survival and suck despite not knowing it needs to eat to survive or how the digestive system works, How a machine can never ever be as complex as a creature. Many societies have come and gone and most have accepted that someone did all of this, and that someone was not themselves.
Satan, being unable to make them directly reject, diverted them to worshipping other stuff, it even happened in Makkah, in the house which Abraham the enemy of idols built in service to the one true God.
Then aside from these signs requirig deep reflection and contemplqtion, God has sent impossible "coincidences" and signs through His Messengers, signs that even a dunce can comprehend.
I would take this opportunity to invite you to cast aside all prejudiced notions even if only for that once, and give the seerah (biography) of the messenger pbuh a read first so you understand the heart of the messenger pbuh, you seem o be a passionate person and I'm sure you'll be able to decide whether he was truthful or not, hen give the Quran a read, in your mother tongue.

Then decide for yourself if it rings true to your heart in comparison with everything else you've lived.

Your choice, but your wonderment at how convinced we are made me feel like you're worth a try lol.
Peace

 

[glo]

dear glo, do you consider this to be hate speech?:



consider this too:

http://s248.photobucket.com/user/abz2000123/media/fallujah_zpsc6e766fe.jpg.html

Such a terrible story!

I am not sure why you are addressing me or what point you are trying to make though, brother Abz. I have not contributed in this thread at all and I am not sure what you are actually asking.

 

[WarriorforMarie]

Look all around you. Where did everything come from? The answer is in the Quran and from the Hadiths of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Have scientist explain everything right now as to where everything came from, they won't stand a chance when they die in this Dunya and are in front of Allah Subhanahuwatallah.

Salaam.

And Christians say the same thing to justify that their religion is right. But both Islam and Christianity can't both be right, can they? What if they were both right? There is no way to know for sure.

 

[Abz2000]

I was addressing it to you as i believe you are the most active Christian on the forum, but what i say unto you i say unto all they can all question themselves. I posted it in this thread as it was relevant to the issue of takig offence, what I mean to ask is - do you consider it to be a justified statement or do you consider it to be hateful?
Btw I named my first son Isaiah coz I loved his fiery method of teaching and he is a prophet mentioned in Islamic books too, so I'm sure you'll come to the conclusion that I consider it justified - given the circumstances (actually not even scratching the surface - after you read the article and consider the situation of the people in Iraq and Burma and countless other nations, and now Egypt). My heart bleeds for them, not for American soldiers or civilians who justify their crimes.
Peace

 

[glo]

And Christians say the same thing to justify that their religion is right. But both Islam and Christianity can't both be right, can they? What if they were both right? There is no way to know for sure.

No, they cannot both be right. Either one is right and the other wrong, or vice versa.

But if you ask me, it is more likely that neither are right.

Religion - in my mind - is our human attempt to make sense of and comprehend the enormity and awesomeness of God. At best we can try to squeeze him into the box which is our human understanding.

We do our best and worship and serve God in the best way we know.

I am sure many of my Muslim (and Christian for that matter) friends would disagree with me ... but there you have it!

 

[Pygoscelis]

i do recall america illegally and immorally - with NO JUSTIFICATION WHATSOEVER - attacking Muslim lands and bombing my brothers and sisters all over the muslim world for no reason other than the factthat either they have resources which the pigs covet, or the fact that those people have flipped at the persecution and manipulation they experience on a daily basis.
no point seeing someone being attacked with no justification whatsoever and avoiding the bullying attacker - then having the audacity to tell the attacked person to be "tolerant".
go tell that to the wolf.

Are you suggesting that the above was done in the name of homosexuality and worshiping idols? If not, why did you quote my text and write that?

 

[WarriorforMarie]

No, they cannot both be right. Either one is right and the other wrong, or vice versa.

But if you ask me, it is more likely that neither are right.

Religion - in my mind - is our human attempt to make sense of and comprehend the enormity and awesomeness of God. At best we can try to squeeze him into the box which is out human understanding.

We do our best and worship and serve God in the best way we know.

I am sure many of my Muslim (and Christian for that matter) friends would disagree with me ... but there you have it!

Wise words.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Muslims care about things so of course we are going to be upset, people who accept lewd relationships, sex outside of marriage, what do you expect them to be "offended" by??

Hatred and bigotry, same as I would expect muslims to be offended by. It really isn't that hard to figure out. If you take a stance saying you are going to offend people and don't care, because saying what you are saying it important and you feel it needs to be said, just realize that this also works for what will offend you as well. It is hypocritical otherwise.

 

[Abz2000]

Are you suggesting that the above was done in the name of homosexuality and worshiping idols? If not, why did you quote my text and write that?

Are you suggesting that tthis thread is about homosexuality an idol worship? If not why are you focusing on the two and attempting to swerve from the subject of the mother of homosexuality and idol worship and all abominable filthy things? America.
It may not have occurred to you but others around the world (especially muslims) are seeing America as the Most depraved and despotic nation on earth. The mention of such would not be off topic and would rather be aiming at the head in spite of the arms and legs you refer to.

Hatred and bigotry, same as I would expect muslims to be offended by. It really isn't that hard to figure out. If you take a stance saying you are going to offend people and don't care, because saying what you are saying it important and you feel it needs to be said, just realize that this also works for what will offend you as well. It is hypocritical otherwise.

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Lol America is home to the church of Satan, they can't pretend to care about being offended. The bible and Quran offend the "god" which they harbor.
If they cared about offence or had any sense of dignity they'd have considered.

And yes, if you want to be wishy washy you may,
But I'll tell you that Satan is evil and the father of evil, and I'll also tell you that it is blasphemy in my faith to call the creator of the heavens and the earth anything of the sort, and we'd deal with them accordingly.

Dunno if you think that's unfair and I really don't give a dam*.

Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Are you suggesting that tthis thread is about homosexuality an idol worship?

The text I replied to was. You quoted my reply.

It may not have occurred to you but others around the world (especially muslims) are seeing America as the Most depraved and despotic nation on earth. The mention of such would not be off topic and would rather be aiming at the head in spite of the arms and legs you refer to.

Except that I didn't say anything in support of America, so it seems odd that you would address your outburst towards me. I am not American and do not support american hegemony.

Lol America is home to the church of Satan, they can't pretend to care about being offended.

And yes, if you want to be wishy washy you may,
But I'll tell you that Satan is evil and the father of evil, and I'll also tell you that it is blasphemy in my faith to call the creator of the heavens and the earth anything of the sort, and we'd deal with them accordingly.

What are you talking about? Do you imagine they all worship Satan in some church of satan that sacrifices babies to the devil or some such?

Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.

Woe to those who hold hatred in their hearts, be they satanist, christian, muslim, gay, idol worshipers, or anybody else.

 

[WarriorforMarie]

The text I replied to was. You quoted my reply.



Except that I didn't say anything in support of America, so it seems odd that you would address your outburst towards me. I am not American and do not support american hegemony.





What are you talking about? Do you imagine they all worship Satan in some church of satan that sacrifices babies to the devil or some such?



Woe to those who hold hatred in their hearts, be they satanist, christian, muslim, gay, idol worshipers, or anybody else.

Oh, don't mind Abz2000. He is just jealous that America so much more powerful than wherever it is that he is from. Rather than trying to help his society reclaim the greatness it had back a thousand years ago when the Islamic world was the most advanced, he is content to try to hold the Islamic world down with the ideas he spouts off on. It must be confusing to him to see a civilization like China make lightining strides forward to the point of reaching equal power with America while his society continues to stagnate. Until he truly opens his heart (and brain) to Islam he will not understand.

 

[Abz2000]

What are you talking about? Do you imagine they all worship Satan in some church of satan that sacrifices babies to the devil or some such?

They collectively do, they claim to be a democracy and accept devil worship and blasphemy as ok.

Oh, don't mind Abz2000. He is just jealous that America so much more powerful than wherever it is that he is from

Lololol - America is a tiny piece of land in God's universe, deal with it as he sees fit, we'll help too.

I don't give a crap about being from anywhere, I am on God's earth and stand against the puppets trying to rule this land too. Nationalism/racism is a disease - get it?
We're not narrow minded like you, we put values before mud.

The only reason the Islamic world is down is because we've developed an inferiority complex and seek to appear good to you, when we throw off those shackles in our minds and realise what we have and how blessed we are, God will restore to us our dignity. We won't be worrying about what you think of us, you'll be worrying about what we think of you, get it?

Our path and your path are different, you are deluded into thinking your ancestors were apes, your path is narrow and dirty, it ends in a muddy maggot filled grave.
We are dignified children of Adam who was chosen by God to implement His rule on earth out of free will, our path is filled with light and leads to the Good Pleasure of Almighty God and leads to the heavens.
We have no reason to be "jealous" (loooooool) of you.

Power belongs to Almighty God.
Peace be to those who follow the guidance.

 

[WarriorforMarie]

Lololol - America is a tiny piece of land in God's universe, deal with it as he sees fit, we'll help too.

I don't give a crap about being from anywhere, I am on God's earth and stand against the puppets trying to rule this land too. Nationalism/racism is a disease - get it?
We're not narrow minded like you, we put values before mud.

The only reason the Islamic world is down is because we've developed an inferiority complex and seek to appear good to you, when we throw off those shackles in our minds and realise what we have and how blessed we are, God will restore to us our dignity. We won't be worrying about what you think of us, you'll be worrying about what we think of you, get it?

LOLOLOLOL And maybe if I pray hard enough America will have 4% GDP growth! The Islamic world is down right now because of fools who are waiting to be given the future instead of building it themselves. Do you think God will reward countries that descend into fighting each other because they can not agree on which interpretation of Islam is correct instead acknowledging that Sunnis and Shia are both Muslims. While China has been building itself up into a Major power, many of the countries of the Middle East have been disintegrating. The only Islamic countries that can even be classified as Medium range powers are Turkey, Iran, and Indonesia.

 

[sister herb]

^^ Careful there now - all problems of the Middle East countries cause of course by the conspiracy theories and stratagems of the infidels. You know, the USA and the zionists, plans of the Great Israel from Nile to Euphrat and Tigris, attemps to control oil and other natural resources... :nervous: