One billion Muslims to turn into suicide bombers if Makkah, Madina are attacked

[DaNgErOuS MiNdS]

Nevermind best to ignore such statements and counter statements, it does get a little tiring when people try to represent you when you dont agree with what they have to say.

They do it only to provoke us and we fall prey to it each and every time. Let us be mature about it.

:bravo:

 

[Darkseid]

Why in the hell would these people turn into suicide bombers rather than into radical extremists massacring people with guns rather than bombs? For goodness sakes you'll kill more people if you can stay alive.

You can also do more damage if you take over a nuclear facility and launch several nukes to some over populated areas.

ANd why would you want to kill innocent children? They have no power over what their military and governments do. Do you honestly expect that the military and governments are going to listen to a small eight year old child who says, "Please Mr. President don't bomb Mecca and Medina."

And then what?

 

[bint_khalid]

i doubt that will happen , we do not have a billion muslims brave enough to do that....and if they do that would be half the population of muslims gone

 

[guyabano]

Now honestly, to be a suicidal, you must have also the guts to do it. When it comes to such acts, I'm terribly coward. I will not sacrify my life so useless. Alive, I can be more useful. That is my point of view !

 

[KAding]

So they would self-combust? Wouldn't that wipe out Islam? Sounds like a pretty lousy strategy!

 

[Jameel Bismilla]

Why Muslims are so fanatic to religion and behaving like assholes when infact the the TRUTH is ....
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Morality – is a set of customs to society that regulate relationship and prescribe modes of behavior to enhance group survival. A rule of moral conduct. This is the essence that separated herd of fauna into human.
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Human society started a nomadic lives and later evolved into tribes of hunter-gatherers where instinct of morality needed to govern a crude civilization. Physical strength dominated the struggled for dominancy and the needs of mechanism to perpetuate leadership was the main concerned of the dominant male.
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On one thunder storm season, lightning struck that started fire intrigued dominant male of power that can not be explained on thus period. Based of lightning incident, herd instinct has conceived a projected power to provide basis in the implementation of morality. Should laws of morality be observe and followed, a giver was required in order to be authenticated for universal adherence
and acceptance. God was created by mankind through their image on thus stages based on myth, dreams and visions as Projected Giver of Morality Laws. Rules in formed of cult-dogma were designed fitted with anathema and rigorous physical implementation of the dominant leaders. Those were the survival of the fittest … and only individuals adhered to the rules of God were fitted to live and to join the new human society.
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Rules… evolved into beliefs those were the basis of traditional faith that provide sustainable potent authority for the God-given Morality Laws.
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Beliefs that were reasonable and rational on thus particular period based on knowledge they possessed, whether or not true or probable does not matter, for it was written. Some quarters attempted to joined and designed dogmas but separated by their individual interests. Dogmatic competitions started to provoke on new human society and superstition was born to give way on blurred and rejected dogmas.
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Competition for foods on hunter-gathers era evolved into dogmatic struggled and dominations. Kingdoms were established through exploitation of dominance, using gods and goddesses to provide projected powers. Those were the scuffled of god and goddesses to dominate humanity… until the time of Abraham where mankind attempted to unified god. Latter generations tried to incorporate all cult-dogmas and bind mankind into religion, but same anathema was attached to it.
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So Muslims ... be rational and behave as human observing MORALITY...to quote:
"Do unto to others ... what you like others do unto to you"

 

[NoName55]

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[NoName55]

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Comment:

SubhanAllah so many truthful statements from Pak politicians in one article, makes you wonder why they implement laws other than Allah swts and allow Pakistan to be a servant of America in their war against so called " terror", since they have so much knowledge and according to this article seem to be quite politically aware.

perhaps they are lacking in leadership skills and are waiting for you to come over and fill the gap, o "wise one"!

Read what others have to say

We, as muslims, should not take every single word that comes out of the western media seriously. They do it only to provoke us and we fall prey to it each and every time. Let us be mature about it. There is not going to be any attack on the pillars of Islam. This is just a bait. Let us stop talking about death and destruction and behave like civilized people. Let us be merciful like the Prophet(pbuh) teaches us. It is time the Muslim world stresses on education and enlightenment and let all this childish sabre-rattling end. Let us face one fact. The muslim world neither has the technology nor the military strength to take on any of our enemies. Empty threats only make us look even more impotent.
Posted by Rafique, Pakistan

Don't ever forget about the US's Trident missles roaming under the oceans with enough retailatory Nukes to blow every enemy a million time over to kingdom come.
Posted by mohammed Hussain, Pakistan

 

[KAding]

So what should we learn about this?

1. No Muslim groups should nuke an American city, because it might mean the end of Mecca and Medina
2. Americans should not nuke Mecca and Medina, because it will cause lots of Muslims to blow themselves up

Right. Good! I'm glad thats cleared up now. :rollseyes

 

[NoName55]

^^ I'll reply later if no mod does.

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^^ disregard above comment of mine as Brother keltoi (below) has made an adequate reply to trolls!

 

[Keltoi]

What we should learn is that extreme statements get an extreme reply.

 

[Cognescenti]

Re: (original) One billion Muslims to turn into suicide bombers if Makkah, Madina are

Does anyone else think this is childish?

Tancredo, who is a marginal candidate running essentially on the "anti-immigrant" platform, and isn't going to win anything (or even come remotely close to winning), was quoted as saying the US should use the threat of an attack on Medina to deter a nuclear terror attack on the US. There has already been a thread on this. He is a Congressman, one of over 400 in the House of Representatives. He is not in charge of anything (no chairmanships). He is marginalized by his own party. The House is only half of the Congress, the Senate is more cautious beacuse Senators have to appeal to every voter in their State. The Congress does NOT make foreign policy. The President is Commander in Chief. This is much ado about nothing. A nobody in the US makes a brash statemtent to get domestic attention. It is taken out of context and translated and pretty soon we have a bunch of hotheads threatening 1 billion suicide bombers.

It is just stupid.

BTW, someone here claimed a second candidate sadi the same thing. I think they mean Obama. That is not what he said. He said he might order an attack on the tribal areas in Pakistan to get OBL if he were Prez. He isn't going to win either. Voters are finding out he is bit vacuous and given to cliches. His advisors have told he needs to sound tougher on terror. He is in the uneviable position of running against a woman (Hillary Clinton) with bigger huevos than his. The guy is losing badly.

Now, if Hillary Clinton or Giuliani or Fred Thompson or George Bush says they are going to nuke Mecca...then you should pay attention.


BTW, 1 billion suicde bombers would need at least 10 billion pounds of explosives (for vests) That is about 5 Billion kg of explosive. A 10 x 10 x 10 cm cube of explosives would weight about 1kg, so if you line them up end to end, it would stretch 500 million meters, or about 500,000 km. That is a lot of explosvies.

If they all tried to buy cheap airline tickets that would be about $ 200 billion dollars.

If they tried to build 1 Billion car bombs that would raise the explosive need by a factor of 50, so the line of explosives would be 2,500,000 km Anybody know how far away the moon is?

The cars to make a a billion car bombs would be worth at least $ 1 Trillion and that is without the car insurance They would need $10 Billion galllons of gasoline :happy:

 

[NoName55]

^^ I'll reply later if no mod does.

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^^ disregard above comment of mine as Brother keltoi (below) has made an adequate reply to trolls!

but still they come and evacuate their verbal Diarrhoea ..................

BTW, someone here claimed a second candidate sadi the same thing. I think they mean Obama. That is not what he said. He said he might order an attack on the tribal areas in Pakistan to get OBL if he were Prez.

that would be me. I get those who want to bomb us In Pakistan (as if we do not have enough terrorists bombing us already) mixed up, with those who will do it in Mecca (perils of being not so young and bright).

 

[The_Prince]

you know isnt it funny how westerners always try to marginilize their crazy lunitics? like when some westerners say bomb makkah and madinah, bomb the muslim world, convert them to christianity by force, the western response is always oh these people are unpopular, they have no majority support, and are in a tiny minority and yes lets all have a laugh at their silly suggestions! hurra and its over

yet when some unknown local imam makes the same type of statements against the west which are not supported by the majority of muslims, which are also shunned upon by most muslims, the westerners still come out saying look how bad muslims are look at what they preach! a perfect example of this is under-cover mosque on channel 4, they showed bits and pieces of UNKNOWN imams giving some of their opinions which are not supported by the majority of muslims nor the muslim scholarship in general, infact most of those figures shown in undercover mosque have no weight in Islamic scholarship at all.

so why the double standards? why when a westerner makes crazy remarks everyone tries to minimize it, yet when local unknown imams make similar statements it gets world headlines and as if ww3 has begun, as usual westeners expose their double standards, hypocrisy, and arrogance.

 

[NoName55]

you know isnt it funny how westerners always try to marginilize their crazy lunitics? like when some westerners say bomb makkah and madinah, bomb the muslim world, convert them to christianity by force, the western response is always oh these people are unpopular, they have no majority support, and are in a tiny minority and yes lets all have a laugh at their silly suggestions! hurra and its over

yet when some unknown local imam makes the same type of statements against the west which are not supported by the majority of muslims, which are also shunned upon by most muslims, the westerners still come out saying look how bad muslims are look at what they preach! a perfect example of this is under-cover mosque on channel 4, they showed bits and pieces of UNKNOWN imams giving some of their opinions which are not supported by the majority of muslims nor the muslim scholarship in general, infact most of those figures shown in undercover mosque have no weight in Islamic scholarship at all.

so why the double standards? why when a westerner makes crazy remarks everyone tries to minimize it, yet when local unknown imams make similar statements it gets world headlines and as if ww3 has begun, as usual westeners expose their double standards, hypocrisy, and arrogance.

Not quite true! Some of best scholars were included therein. It was more cut/paste/edit to distort from video lectures available for purchase than "undercover" anything.

 

[Cognescenti]

you know isnt it funny how westerners always try to marginilize their crazy lunitics? like when some westerners say bomb makkah and madinah, bomb the muslim world, convert them to christianity by force, the western response is always oh these people are unpopular, they have no majority support, and are in a tiny minority and yes lets all have a laugh at their silly suggestions! hurra and its over

yet when some unknown local imam makes the same type of statements against the west which are not supported by the majority of muslims, which are also shunned upon by most muslims, the westerners still come out saying look how bad muslims are look at what they preach! a perfect example of this is under-cover mosque on channel 4, they showed bits and pieces of UNKNOWN imams giving some of their opinions which are not supported by the majority of muslims nor the muslim scholarship in general, infact most of those figures shown in undercover mosque have no weight in Islamic scholarship at all.

so why the double standards? why when a westerner makes crazy remarks everyone tries to minimize it, yet when local unknown imams make similar statements it gets world headlines and as if ww3 has begun, as usual westeners expose their double standards, hypocrisy, and arrogance.

Funny you accuse others of arrogance when your tag claims royalty. :giggling:

It's like this guy. Nobody needs to marginalize Tancredo. He already is. Your analogy falls flat in a very big way. When Tancredo says if he were elected President he would threaten to nuke Mecca if a US city were nuked, it is contingent on him being elected. He isn't going to be elected. To my knowledge he does not personally own any nuclear weapons nor do his supporters own any. I don't think he has any intercontinental balistic missiles either. I am not even sure he has a Cessna.

His marginal status is key because he does not have the power to do what he postulated. Do you not see the distinction? On the other hand, issuing a fatwa that it is kosher to kill a stewardess with a box cutter just might induce someone to do something like that. OBL sought religious advice on waging war on the US. His advisor told him he needed to announce it first...so he made a video. Cool, eh? Wouldn't want the murder of stockbrokers and busboys to be haram woudl we?

 

[Zulkiflim]

no amount of ignrance is going to unite or save us! ^^ naudobillah! I shudder to think what this rant is based upon.

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Salaam,

It is not a rant,for a Promise made by Allah to the Prophet Abraham and Prophet Muhammad saw.


Allah never breaks a promise.
Allah has promised that the the 2 holy Cities will be safe..

It is just like the Quran,in it is a promise that the Quran will be kept intact and pure,if this is untrue then we cannot use the quran as a miracle anymore.

And thus Allah promise has failed.

But Allah shall always maintian what is promised.

In the Prophecies it is stated that even the Dajjal will not be able to enter the Holy Cities for the security is maintained by Allah.

If i am wrong correct me.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Funny you accuse others of arrogance when your tag claims royalty. :giggling:

It's like this guy. Nobody needs to marginalize Tancredo. He already is. Your analogy falls flat in a very big way. When Tancredo says if he were elected President he would threaten to nuke Mecca if a US city were nuked, it is contingent on him being elected. He isn't going to be elected. To my knowledge he does not personally own any nuclear weapons nor do his supporters own any. I don't think he has any intercontinental balistic missiles either. I am not even sure he has a Cessna.

His marginal status is key because he does not have the power to do what he postulated. Do you not see the distinction? On the other hand, issuing a fatwa that it is kosher to kill a stewardess with a box cutter just might induce someone to do something like that. OBL sought religious advice on waging war on the US. His advisor told him he needed to announce it first...so he made a video. Cool, eh? Wouldn't want the murder of stockbrokers and busboys to be haram woudl we?

Salaam,

did you know that the curretn US president was NOT elected but yet managed to destroy 2 nations?

Anyway,irregardless of who is in charge,the idea itself is ****ing.
Do you think that the Bush made the policy to attack Iraq and Afghan?It is planned by many people and such people unelected,are the ones who makes policy..

So likewise,muslim as individual and as a nation should beef up their weaponry to detroy any that seek to destroy the 2 cities.

As they say,it is a detterent,of equal force.

Inshallah i hope that Iran will gain nuclear weaponry.

 

[NoName55]

Salaam,

It is not a rant,for a Promise made by Allah to the Prophet Abraham and Prophet Muhammad saw.


Allah never breaks a promise.
Allah has promised that the the 2 holy Cities will be safe..

It is just like the Quran,in it is a promise that the Quran will be kept intact and pure,if this is untrue then we cannot use the quran as a miracle anymore.

And thus Allah promise has failed.

But Allah shall always maintian what is promised.

In the Prophecies it is stated that even the Dajjal will not be able to enter the Holy Cities for the security is maintained by Allah.

If i am wrong correct me.

I cant afford to get into argument as Mods under new management are very quick to ban me and my children.

I can only reccomend you look up your prophesies again from a reputable, educated source. (none of them say America and dajjal are one and the same)

also watch out for some one of Ethiopian descent becoming leader of any super power!

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

The mods will ban youa dn your children??LOL

Well here is the link..

http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/dajjal.htm

He will remain on the Earth for a period of forty days, of which the first day will be as long as a year, the second day as long as a month, the third as a week and the rest will be normal in length. He will try to gain entry to the two holy cities Makkah and Madinah, but the angels who guard them will bar him from them. From there, he will flee to Syria, where he will meet resistance from the forces of Imam Mahdi, the leader of the Muslims. Then shall the battle between Good and Evil begin in earnest.