One Question for Hindus...

[Ramadhan]

You guys think you are actually praying to Allah directly and that by doing so Allah is going to get happy so you can notch up a lot of points which you can redeem later for a ticket to paradise.

This is a blasphemy against Allah.
Please provide evidence of your accusation, otherwise I will report you for breaking the forum rules.

 

[bhakti]

This is a blasphemy against Allah.
Please provide evidence of your accusation, otherwise I will report you for breaking the forum rules.

Im sorry....but I have to meet blasphemy with blasphemy. Besides, since Allah provides paradise to those that pray to him, does it not mean the same stuff as what as I said?

A person will definately go and burn in hell eternally if they dont worship allah azzawajal you are missing the point, the issue is not about where a person is born, its about how a person dies, if he dies in faith (being muslim) he will be pardoned but if he rejects faith then he is accountable

look...almost 95% of those that are born to a certain faith die in the same faith. It is only a small minority that convert etc. So if I'm born a muslim there's 95% chance that I'll die a muslim. If I'm born non-muslims there's 95% chance I'll die non muslim. There are also many that sadly die at a young age and dont even get a chance to convert.

So whats your point?

May be fun to you, but it causes a lot of problem to those who are going to work and find traffic jams, so much of noise.

Are you saying large crowds of muslims around mosques and coming and going to mosques during prayer time doesnt cause the same? Besides traffic is a recent thing. Worship is on for several millennia. So its traffic thats coming in the way of celebration and not vice versa.

He doesnt need our prayer to be happy, its we who need him

"And I have not created the Jinn and man but that they worship Me" Holy Quran 51:57

The entire cause of creation is to satisfy Allah's NEED to be worshiped.

 

[Ramadhan]

Im sorry....but I have to meet blasphemy with blasphemy. Besides, since Allah provides paradise to those that pray to him, does it not mean the same stuff as what as I said?

I have to say that your logical/reasoning skills is awful.
is that from years of worshipping stone statues?

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

"And I have not created the Jinn and man but that they worship Me" Holy Quran 51:57

The entire cause of creation is to satisfy Allah's NEED to be worshiped.

^ Again you are taking my Lord's name in vain.

"And I have not created the Jinn and man but that they worship Me" Holy Quran 51:57

Where did you get this from? Did you actually read the Quran? If yes I'd pity your comprehension.

P.S. the verse number is not 57 it is 56, 51:56, Surah Al-Dhariyat

 

[Ramadhan]

"And I have not created the Jinn and man but that they worship Me" Holy Quran 51:57

The entire cause of creation is to satisfy Allah's NEED to be worshiped.

and does it say in the verse that Allah needs human and djinn to worship Him?

Think again.
your logical ability is extremely weak

 

[bhakti]

and does it say in the verse that Allah needs human and djinn to worship Him?

Think again.
your logical ability is extremely weak

Im really really sorry if you think I've hurt you or anyone here. I'm only defending some of the nonsense posted here on hinduism that people obviously have no idea about. In the process I may have pained you for which I honestly ask for forgiveness from the depths of my heart. But you too must realize the same when you belittle someone else without even making a token effort to try and understand the underlying philosophy of at all.

And btw, please let me know what your interpretation of the verse is. I would love to know.

 

['Aleena]

The Ganesh Chaturthi festivals are awesome fun! When you can mix happiness with worship, enjoy worshiping and have so much fun while at the same time engage in prayer, what's so bad about that?

I have heard that some of the mandals extort money from people. If you refuse to donate them they will physically abuse you. I see no fun in it.

 

[bhakti]

That is part of their faith.

While you are riding or driving through the roads where these ganeshs are placed you have to be very careful, your one wrong move or one wrong comment would cost you your life. they may beat you to death. So I wear a smile (fake smile) as if my heart is filled with communal harmony and have respect towards their faith. ;D I did this today as there was a traffic jam and a Hindu was controlling the traffic and he was scary and I thought if I do something stupid he'll beat me and I'll not be able to reach my home.

The same applies when some 'muslims' celebrate 'urs' (dargah thing) and Shia celebrate 'alam' during muharram.

I would like it if you pondered over what you said a little deeply. If you had good will for the people celebrating, you would have had no cause to fear. If you really respected their faith, why would you fear them?

Isn't your fear a manifestation of the filth in your own heart and your own hypocrisy?

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

But what's the point of placing 10' ganesh idols on roads? Some are even yards away from each other which will certainly obstruct the flow of traffic.

 

['Aleena]

If you had good will for the people celebrating, you would have had no cause to fear.

Good will, Huh?
some of the mandals are to ignorant to stop the music while passing a mosque when they know that muslims are offering namaz. Few even yell at you if u confront them.

 

['Aleena]

Masaajids are covered with thick clothes from outside to prevent it from the stones they pelt at it just for fun? They are always asking for trouble. That's not how you celebrate your festivals and cause fear. The masjid in the neighborhood here is always covered in these days, but at the end... you still see the one or two window glasses broken

What!!! why dont people complain to the police ? throwing stones at masjids is so humiliating and should not be tolerated:raging:

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

The police wont do anything. It is painful to know that the commissioner of Police and Member of parliament of Hyderabad being Muslims don't take necessary steps to safeguard guard Muslims. In recent riots in Hyderabad two Muslim girls who were returning to their home after school in an auto rickshaw were pulled out by HINDU terrorists and were killed. They were butchered. The media didn't show this news many people are unaware of it.

 

[bhakti]

oh come on guys....maids are overworked and tortured in Saudi Arabia during the month of Ramadan...maybe we need to ban Ramadan?

What about the recent rape cases in Mecca? What about all the deaths in stampedes during Haj?

In a nation of billions there are bound to be a few miscreants. If you want to start nitpicking...there's no end to it....

There definitely are many religious clashes in India. But then, there's definitely more religious freedom in India than in all the Islamic countries. Surely you would accept that?

 

['Aleena]

But then, there's definitely more religious freedom in India than in all the Islamic countries.

If u had used democratic countries instead of islamic countries than may be i wud have agreed.

If by freedom u mean u are allowed to do things which are forbidden by islam then i wud be more than happy to give away my frredom.

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

oh come on guys....maids are overworked and tortured in Saudi Arabia during the month of Ramadan...maybe we need to ban Ramadan?

They don't torture or make them over-work (if they did) in the name of Ramadan!

What about all the deaths in stampedes during Haj?

Those are causalities. No one deliberately incites stampede. Even though people don't stop going to the Hajj.

Dont be such narrow minded.

 

[aadil77]

look...almost 95% of those that are born to a certain faith die in the same faith. It is only a small minority that convert etc. So if I'm born a muslim there's 95% chance that I'll die a muslim. If I'm born non-muslims there's 95% chance I'll die non muslim. There are also many that sadly die at a young age and dont even get a chance to convert.

People who die at a young age will be judged accordingly, kids who die in a state of innocence will enter paradise

Actually your figures are incorrect, 50% of hindus and sikhs that I know have now become atheists/agnostic and they openly mock their own religion. I know many christians who have become atheists/agnostic. Only backwards people stick to their faith because of family, these type of family loyalties are becoming less and less common, people are moving forward and are willing to look around and question before accepting a religion just because of family.

 

[bhakti]

They don't torture or make them over-work (if they did) in the name of Ramadan!

Those are causalities. No one deliberately incites stampede. Even though people don't stop going to the Hajj.

Dont be such narrow minded.

Obviously its not done in the name of religion. I'm saying these are the fallouts of having huge festivals. Does that mean having the festival itself is a bad thing?

If you want to point out stuff done in the name of religion...there definitely are very many terrorist strikes that happen in the name of Islam. But what good would listing all of that here do?

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

^ but those do that (throw stones on mosques and always look for trouble) represent a religion and actively participate in such rituals and parade.

 

[bhakti]

^ but those do that (throw stones on mosques and always look for trouble) represent a religion and actively participate in such rituals and parade.

look...this year's Ganesh Chaturthi was very very peaceful except for one or two stray incidents. Muslims and Hindus live largely in peace throughout India. Period.

Compare it to Islamic nations such as Bangladesh and Pakistan where large scale oppression of minorities and vandalism of Hindu temples etc. happens and you will thank your stars that you are living in India.

There are a few Hindus in India who still hold grudges against Muslims coz the sub-continent is essentially Hindu land that was overrun my Islamic invaders. They still hold grudges for all the demolition of over 3000 temples and large scale genocides that happened during the Islamic invasion which is the reason for antagonism. It will take time for these wounds to heal and one can only pray that happens fast.

 

[bhakti]

People who die at a young age will be judged accordingly

How? Based on what? Does the Quran mention this?

Actually your figures are incorrect, 50% of hindus and sikhs that I know have now become atheists/agnostic and they openly mock their own religion. I know many christians who have become atheists/agnostic.

Nonsense. Here in India queues at temples are getting longer by the day and new temples are mushrooming everywhere. Spiritual discourses are attracting bigger crowds and many are affluent and well-to-do people. Hindus are beginning to discover their rich spiritual heritage in big numbers.

Only backwards people stick to their faith because of family,

So if backwards people stick to their faith, who decides who and why is born in 'backward' and conservative families for whom it is tougher to leave their faith? Do they go to hell coz they are in 'backward' families?

these type of family loyalties are becoming less and less common, people are moving forward and are willing to look around and question before accepting a religion just because of family.

Since they are getting less and less common these days, what about the days when family loyalties were more common? Do people goto hell coz they were born in times when family loyalties were more common?