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2) A testimony of a newly converted egyption woman from christianity to islam and she tell us about prisons inside the egyption Orthodox churches & monasteries. (Video)

 
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No comments from the kaffirs here I see..
 
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The minute you accept Islam truly in your heart be aware that you'll be in a constant state of war.. it doesn't have to be a physical war but every where you go people will be against you in on way or another.. trying to get a reaction out of you, bother you with words.. and we'll surely hear so many hurtful words from them!
Sad but very true sister :(

Insh'Allah our bounties lie in the hereafter.
 
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about what is happening in egypt today 7 may 2011:

a newly converted christian woman to islam from about 7 month but she was kidnapped by christians in 3 March 2011 and then the muslim man who was a witness on her islam, he recieved a phone call from her Today 7 May 2011, she told him about her place now in a building besides the church named "MARY MINA" in "Imbaba" so the muslims went to the church and asked the christians politely to give them the Muslim Sister named "Abeer talat khayry" but the christians started shooting on them using guns and rifles from inside the Church & some surrounding buildings.

so i ask where are the Human Rights International Organizations................!!!!!!!

This is a video of muslims whom have been hit by bullets coming from the Christian Guns from above their church

 
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1435599 said:
No comments from the kaffirs here I see..
The followers of Islam are not better than anybody else.

 
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The followers of Islam are not better than anybody else.


The Religion with God is Islam-- that itself counting nothing mundane sets a true Muslim apart to be better.. though my comment had nothing to do with better or worse and I refuse to descend down to word play for whatever smarmy scheme you've in mind!

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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1435964 said:
I refuse to descend down to word play for whatever smarmy scheme you've in mind!


I had no scheme in mind. I read through another thread where someone said a christian was afraid of violent reactions from muslims and you said they were lying. Then I saw this thread and all of the videos saying muslims were being persecuted . I dont know what country you live in but a few years ago here in america a man killed his two daughters because they were not following Islam. One of the girls dialed 911 while he was shooting them, it was a big news story. I believe that would be considered opression. With the video I posted I just wanted to make sure you knew muslims do the same.
 
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I had no scheme in mind. I read through another thread where someone said a christian was afraid of violent reactions from muslims and you said they were lying.
Let me see the post!
Then I saw this thread and all of the videos saying muslims were being persecuted . I dont know what country you live in but a few years ago here in america a man killed his two daughters because they were not following Islam. One of the girls dialed 911 while he was shooting them, it was a big news story. I believe that would be considered opression. With the video I posted I just wanted to make sure you knew muslims do the same.
It is irrelevant to the thread and a frankly has no relevance to what preceded, do you just want to pull things out of a hat for the sake of making your presence known?
you're certainly free to start a thread about the Muslim father who killed his daughters but this isn't the thread for it!!
This thread is about the political undertones and schism created by a minute number of people in the wake of a revolution so that it isn't seen to fruition. I have no desire to engage little ancillary topics you bring out of a hat for whatever reason you've justified to yourself as plausible or worse yet politically correct!

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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1435993 said:
It is irrelevant to the thread and a frankly has no relevance to what preceded


I think its relevant. The thread is about muslims being persecuted around the world, and the other one was about muslims and christians fighting. I was just trying to see if you and others are aware that muslims persecute and torture as well. However I believe the closest I have seen Is in the Osama thread where someone posted that he may have killed innocents but he probably feels really bad. Like I said before you did not believe the other guys story so I thoughted I should use video as proof.
You seem to get angry at people and talk down to them very quickly. Honestly it doesnt bother me but do you ever think about how long one of the christians athiests or the buddist guys accounts would have lasted if they had the same attitude you do?
 
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I think its relevant. The thread is about muslims being persecuted around the world, and the other one was about muslims and christians fighting. I was just trying to see if you and others are aware that muslims persecute and torture as well. However I believe the closest I have seen Is in the Osama thread where someone posted that he may have killed innocents but he probably feels really bad. Like I said before you did not believe the other guys story so I thoughted I should use video as proof.
You seem to get angry at people and talk down to them very quickly. Honestly it doesnt bother me but do you ever think about how long one of the christians athiests or the buddist guys accounts would have lasted if they had the same attitude you do?


It is not, read the thread title once more!
oppressions practiced on new muslims in Egypt (Torturing & Imprisonment & Killing

other than that, if you have a specific post to quote then quote it directly as your story changes with each subsequent post you write
first it was this:
I read through another thread where someone said a christian was afraid of violent reactions from muslims and you said they were lying.
and now this:

the Osama thread where someone posted that he may have killed innocents but he probably feels really bad. Like I said before you did not believe the other guys story so I thoughted I should use video as proof.

So which is it?

Again, if you have a comment to make about a particular post do it in the correct thread. If you want to introduce a topic then start a new thread all together. I am not big on incoherence that evolves from post to post nor do I care to derange an ongoing topic to appease your personal interests.

I don't know what 'attitude' I have but this is an Islamic forum. The atheists here have been on for more than half a decade spewing all sorts of crap, you've been here a total of how long? Most of us who have tread on their forums didn't last a total of three days. I'd say we're not only accommodating but darn near spectacular at being allowing!

best,
 
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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1436011 said:
It is not, read the thread title once more!


I read the title but I also read the fist post where they said with this thread they were going to show whats happpening to muslims all over the world.


τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1436011 said:
So which is it?


What I ment was out of the first two threads no one mentioned that muslims do the same thing. With the osama thread I was just saying thats the closest I have seen on this site.


τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ ;1436011 said:
nor do I care to derange an ongoing topic to appease your personal interests


I did not think this was going to drag on for this long. But it appears you are not going to admit that muslims do anything wrong which is just not true.
 
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The followers of Islam are not better than anybody else.


Salaam,

I agree that some Muslims have done terrible things to other people...including Muslims. O__o
 
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I read the title but I also read the fist post where they said with this thread they were going to show whats happpening to muslims all over the world.

Then why is it necessary for you to derange it beyond that? As stated if you're painfully conscious lest you offend athei/christian sensibilities then start a thread of the heinous acts committed against them by Muslims and leave this one out!

What I ment was out of the first two threads no one mentioned that muslims do the same thing. With the osama thread I was just saying thats the closest I have seen on this site.
The Osama thread is about Osama.. this thread is about torture against converts specifically in Egypt!
It is really not that difficult. People usually pick a topic of interest and engage it, they don't bring outside topics and introduce them anew!



I did not think this was going to drag on for this long.

Well then why are you dragging it this long?

best,
 
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Wow What just happened in this Thread.


i ask the moderators to Remove or Move all the posts that are irrelevant to this Thread to anywhere else to discuss them


This Thread is only about oppressions made by fanatic christians on muslims & newly converted muslim.

the irrelevant posts ARE no. 4 , 25 - 33

and about the stoning video i was already talking with a christian fellow about it in facebook and you may find your answers there
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Isla...story_fbid=101676179919298&id=137776832904609
 
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A minority comprising of 10% of the Egyptian population are oppressing the Muslim majority ? Really? All I see is dangerous propaganda made up by fanatic Salafis who can't stand the thought of other people having different religious beliefs so they're coming up with all sorts of lies to incite hatred and violence against them.


Seventeen suspects in sectarian violence detained





Ahram Online, Monday 9 May 2011






Among those arrested is the man who alleged
his wife was being held in Saint Mina Church, sparking the violence









Polices forces, in coordination with military troops, have arrested 17
more suspects in Saturday’s ‎sectarian violence, including those accused ‎of
being the main instigators of the violence in Imbaba.‎

One of the
detainees is 31-year-old driver Yassin Thabet. He claimed that his wife, whom
‎he said had converted to Islam seven years ago, was kidnapped inside Saint Mina
Church in ‎Imbaba.‎

His allegation caused Copts and Muslims to exchange
gunfire, Molotov cocktails and stones Saturday. Another church in the same
district, The Virgin Mary, was set ablaze by ‎angry crowds later.


Governor of Giza Ali Abdel Rahman stated Sunday that there was no
woman held captive ‎in the Saint Mina Church as alleged. ‎

Egyptian
authorities first arrested and referred 190 to a military court on ‎multiple
charges in the wake of the violence. ‎

Investigation and interrogations
are still underway.‎

Initial media reports alleged that the hardline
Salafists, who have ‎hit the headlines for the wrong reasons since the January
25 Revolution, were responsible for spurring the ‎attack on Saint Mina
Church.
 
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A minority comprising of 10% of the Egyptian population are oppressing the Muslim majority ? Really? All I see is dangerous propaganda made up by fanatic Salafis who can't stand the thought of other people having different religious beliefs so they're coming up with all sorts of lies to incite hatred and violence against them.


A minority of 10% want to change article two of the Egyptian constitution while rallying the world's eyes to gain favor so they can amongst other things steal lands illegally and impose their own standards on a Muslim majority really? Yeah, really.. Egypt has been Islamic since Amr ibn il3as millennia ago, if the 'salfis' had any desire to convert or kill them or even oppress them logic would dictate it would have happened when Islam actually reigned supreme.. So who here is with propaganda?

If you're not from there, don't understand the socio economic or geopolitical situation then take your articles and your not so witty disdain to where it might gain you some favors..

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τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:
A minority of 10% want to change article two of the Egyptian constitution

So some Christian and non Christian secular Egyptians want a modern civil state, how oppressive of them to even think like that, how dare they.


τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:
while rallying the world's eyes to gain favor so they can amongst other things steal lands illegally and impose their own standards on a Muslim majority really? Yeah, really..

What IS rallying the worlds eyes are disturbingly frequent news reports of dead Christians, Churches set ablaze and sometimes even bombed with churchgoers attending them no less. Stealing lands illegally? Source please, and if there is something to this it's the work on an individual or a few individuals and can't be blamed on the rest of Egypts Christian population. Imposing their own standards? I don't see how having a different opinion for the future of Egypt like wanting a civil state makes them imposing anything let alone oppressors, there's fat chance of that happening anyway.

τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:
Egypt has been Islamic since Amr ibn il3as millennia ago, if the 'salfis' had any desire to convert or kill them or even oppress them logic would dictate it would have happened when Islam actually reigned supreme..

Egypts Christian population is older than Islam itself and I'm not blaming Egypts Muslims for these relatively recent troubles, only a minority of zealots.

τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:
So who here is with propaganda?

Obviously those who come up with baseless crap like Christian oppressors are imprisoning and torturing Muslims in Egypt.


τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:
If you're not from there, don't understand the socio economic or geopolitical situation then take your articles and your not so witty disdain to where it might gain you some favors..
τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ;1436229 said:

If you dislike my post you are free to ignore it, but I couldn't let this sort of dangerous and outrageous propaganda left unchallenged.
 
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double post pls remove
 
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So some Christian and non Christian secular Egyptians want a modern civil state, how oppressive of them to even think like that, how dare they.
That is the funny thing about 'democracy' isn't it? 50+1 can usurp the opinion of 50-1 except in this case the Muslims who want an Islamic state are a landslide and certainly no society runs its laws on the exception-- you're most welcome to alter your constitution to accommodate them in your own back yard, but Egypt will remain an Islamic country and soon to implement full shari3a law insha'Allah which is already article 2 of the Egyptian constitution!

yes this is Egypt:

tahrir2-1.jpg


and this is Egypt


So you must know of another Egypt that the locals aren't conscious of?
like when your media speak of the 'Muslim brotherhood' and bring a pix of two niqabis and four men praying, forgetting the millions above also praying!
What IS rallying the worlds eyes are disturbingly frequent news reports of dead Christians, Churches set ablaze and sometimes even bombed with churchgoers attending them no less. Stealing lands illegally? Source please, and if there is something to this it's the work on an individual or a few individuals and can't be blamed on the rest of Egypts Christian population. Imposing their own standards? I don't see how having a different opinion for the future of Egypt like wanting a civil state makes them imposing anything let alone oppressors, there's fat chance of that happening anyway.
Rather what is disturbing is the propagandist B.S used by COPTS and their advocates (such as yourself) from outside in the form of the usual empty words and noble otherwise meaningless slogans to rouse anger and discord to achieve their proposed agenda and create a cloud of miasma to nip in the bud any positive change that might be the outcome of this revolution since the Mubarak type regime really serves their interests as well outside interests and not at all the interests of the corpus of the citizens be they christian or Muslims in doing just that stealing illegal lands, raping children as young as three, while detaining and torturing those who renounces Christianity..
churches that have been burnt are part of the laundry list of crimes that will be brought against the Mubarak goons for creating civil unrest.. Again logic (which I suspect isn't your strong suit) would dictate that if Muslims wanted to eradicate those poor Copts they've had hundreds upon hundreds of years to do so.. so why now?

Do I owe you sources? it seems that you know everything already?

here is a source:


شنودة يشرح طريقه سرقه أراضى الدولة ويقول ده سر المهنة

كتبها راصد التنصير ، في 8 أغسطس 2009 الساعة: 15:57 م

ولنا عدة ملاحظات:
أولا: يعترف البابا شنودة في بداية الفيديو أن الدير وضع يده على أرض الدولة وهو إعتراف يثبت أن هذه الأرض لا تتبع الدير أصلا وأن الإستيلاء عليها غير قانوني. وبالتالي تكون كل إدعاءات الكنيسة والمنظمات القبطية وأقباط المهجر والمظاهرات التي تدعي بأن الدولة تهدم الدير ما هي إلا أكاذيب. ومن يرى الصراخ القبطي بأن الدولة تهدم الأديرة وأنهم مستعدون للإستشهاد لصدق أنهم على حق وليسوا مدافعين عن عملية نهب وسرقة وإستيلاء غير قانوني على أرض الدولة.

ثانيا: يحاول البابا شنودة تبرير الإستيلاء على أرض الدولة بحجة أنها أرض صحراوية وهو مبرر واهي. فهل يحق بناءا على هذا المبرر أن يستولي أي شخص على أي أرض في أي مكان بحجة أنها أرض صحراوية؟ وأين سيادة القانون ودولة المؤسسات التي يتظاهر الأقباط ومنظماتهم أنهم يرغبون فيها؟

ثالثا: تبلغ مساحة الدير أصلا 18 فدان (75 ألف و 600 متر مربع) وهي مساحة شاسعة. فهل تحتاج هذه المساحة إلى إضافة 500 فدان (2 مليون و 100 ألف متر مربع) كحرم للدير؟ (وهي بمثابة مضاعفة مساحة الدير حوالي 28 ضعف!!!). وهل زاد عدد الرهبان لدرجة أن يضيق بهم الدير الأصلي؟

رابعا: مما يثبت سوء النية أن الدير قام بفرض أمر واقع ببناء سور طويل يبلغ طوله 6 كيلو متر تقريبا حول الأرض ويتطلب ذلك مال وجهد كبيرين مما يؤكد أنهم كانوا واثقين أنه لن يتم هدمه لمعرفتهم المسبقة بالخطة كاملة. ثم بعد ذلك يقول البابا شنودة أن كل شيء يكون بالتفاهم!!! فأي تفاهم يأتي بعد الإستيلاء على الأرض وفرض الأمر الواقع بالبلطجة؟

خامسا: يضرب البابا شنودة مثالا خاطئا ومضللا وهو تشبيه إستخدامه مغارة للخلوة بوضع يد الدير على أرض الدولة. فإذا كان من حق كل إنسان أن يستخدم أملاك الدولة، فليس من حقه الإستيلاء عليها. فمثلا يمكن لأي إنسان أن يمشي في الشارع ولكن ليس من حقه أن يقتطع جزءا من الشارع مدعيا ملكيته. وكذلك كان من حق البابا شنودة أن يستخدم المغارة ولكن ليس من حقه أن يدعي ملكيتها. ونفس الشيء ينطبق على إستيلاء الدير على أملاك الدولة والإدعاء أنها ملك للدير.

سادسا: التعريف البسيط للرهبنة هو الموت عن العالم و إحتياجاته. ولكن نجد أن البابا شنودة يصرح أن الأمر كان على وشك أن يحصل تصادم ومواجهة وقتال بين الرهبان والمحافظة!!! فهل فقدت الرهبنة معناها وأصبح الرهبان ميليشيات مسلحة قادرة على قتال الأمن؟ وكذلك نراهم يتظاهرون رافعين لافتات ترفض هدم أسوار الدير وأنهم مستعدون للإستشهاد من أجل الدير، فهل أصبح الرهبان يبحثون عن أرض ليستولوا عليها؟ أم أصبحت الأديرة مستوطنات قبطية داخل مصر وتحميها ميليشيات الرهبان؟

سابعا: خلال مرحلة المواجهات والتصعيد يأتي دور أقباط المهجر والمنظمات القبطية في تنظيم المظاهرات داخل وخارج مصر مع إستخدام البوق الإعلامي للعلمانيين والليبراليين وبقايا الماركسيين لممارسة كافة الضغوط حتى يتم الرضوخ لمطالب الكنيسة. هذا بجانب تهييج مشاعر الأقباط في المواقع والمنتديات والبرامج الفضائية. (نحن الآن في هذه المرحلة فيما يتعلق بدير أبو فانا).
ولو عدنا لما قيل أثناء أحداث دير الأنبا أنطونيوس لوجدناه مطابقا لما يقال الآن (مع تغيير الأنبا أنطونيوس بأبو فانا): إنقذوا دير الأنبا أنطونيوس… صلوا من اجل رهبان دير الأنبا أنطونيوس… أخبار الغزو على دير الأنبا أنطونيوس… الهجوم التتري على دير الأنبا أنطونيوس… صور حصار دير الأنبا أنطونيوس… نحن نرفض هذا الاتفاق , لا يجب المساس بالدير…
كل ذلك يوحي بأن الدير نفسه هو الذي يهدم وليس سور لأرض منهوبة كما إعترف البابا شنودة.

ثامنا: للأسف، بعد التصعيد تم الرضوخ للأمر الواقع و الإستسلام للضغوط وتجاهل القانون وتمت ترضية الكنيسة ولم يتم هدم سور الدير وحصل الدير على الـ 500 فدان التي إستولى عليها. وهذا كله يشكل مكافأة للمعتدي ونجاح لخطته…

تاسعا: يكشف لنا البابا شنودة “سر المهنة” وهو إنتظار مرور مرحلة التوتر للمطالبة بالمزيد من التنازلات ويعتبر هذا نوع من لي الذراع عن طريق التلويح بعودة الإضطرابات من جديد. ولا أدري ما هي المهنة التي يقصدها البابا شنودة؟!! وما معنى “الحكمة” التي إستخدموها للإستيلاء على الأرض؟

عاشرا: كلام البابا شنودة يؤكد بما لا يدع مجالا للشك أن الكنيسة أصبحت دولة داخل دولة هدفها الحصول على أكبر قدر من المكاسب على حساب الأغلبية الكاسحة من المسلمين.
لعلنا لاحظنا أن سيناريو أحداث دير أبو فانا التي نعيشها هذه الأيام هو نفس سيناريو دير الأنبا أنطونيوس وأننا الآن في مرحلة التصعيد والمواجهة والضغط الإعلامي. فها هم الرهبان يعتصمون بالدير احتجاجًا علي قرارات لجنة ترسيم الحدود ويقطعون الطريق المؤدي إلي الدير بالأحجار وجذوع النخيل لمنع لجنة الآثار والمساحة من دخول المنطقة لترسيم الحدود.

وقد سبق ذلك إعلان البابا شنودة وقف التعامل مع محافظ المنيا وكأن الكنيسة دولة أوقفت التفاوض مع دولة أخرى. هذا بجانب الشحن الإعلامي للأقباط للقيام بمظاهرات و إحتجاجات.

ولنا أن نتخيل مدى الكذب والخداع الذي تقوم به المنظمات القبطية وهم يرفعون لافتات عليها صور رهبان مصابين بالرغم أن القتيل الوحيد في هذه الأحداث مسلم قتلوه برصاص أسلحتهم!!! ومن أكثر التصريحات وقاحة هو أن يدعي الرهبان أن القتيل المسلم مختل عقليا وكأن قتله ليس فيه مشكلة. وبذلك أصبحت ـ في نظرهم ـ خدوش الرهبان أكثر أهمية من روح القتيل المسلم والذي طالب البابا شنودة بالإفراج عن المتهمين في قتله!!!

وما زالت الأحداث مستمرة…
لقد أصبحت الكنيسة دولة داخل دولة تقوم بمفاوضات وإملاء شروط تذكرنا بمفاوضات السلام الوهمية بين الكيان الصهيوني و الفلسطينين. ولذلك نعود إلى نفس السؤال…




و هذا الرابط http://www.multiupload.com/JLBF9R5KF5


and here is their turd shenuda telling you all about it in his own words!


Amazing how these types of vids don't seem to make their way to your TV or Murdoch circulated newspapers ......

Egypts Christian population is older than Islam itself and I'm not blaming Egypts Muslims for these relatively recent troubles, only a minority of zealots.
That is irrelevant, the pharonic population is older than both.. The same Egyptians that have embraced amun ra, later embraced the religion of Moses, later embraced the religion of Jesus, later embraced Islam.. those who remained pagans, or Jews, or Christians have done so by choice as those who have embraced Islam which is almost Egypt in totality have also done so by choice.. so thanks for sharing another non-point!



If you dislike my post you are free to ignore it, but I couldn't let this sort of dangerous and outrageous propaganda left unchallenged.


I'd love for you to be able to challenge me beyond hot air courtesy of your corporate Zionist media, it honestly doesn't even take me more than 4 mins to formulate a reply.. that is how uninteresting and full of confused rhetoric you're..


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Re: oppressions practiced on new muslims in Egypt (Torturing & Imprisonment & Killing

A minority comprising of 10% of the Egyptian population are oppressing the Muslim majority ? Really? All I see is dangerous propaganda made up by fanatic Salafis who can't stand the thought of other people having different religious beliefs so they're coming up with all sorts of lies to incite hatred and violence against them.


Umm.. this is quite an ignorance.

I have already given you an example about the situation in Indonesia, and from the source that can be accepted by non-muslim westerners: The Economist. Check out my previous post about christians in Indonesia slaughtering muslims.

By the way, If you haven't known already, Indonesia is the largest muslims country in the world with only 10% or so christians population.
 
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