origin of god

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I apologize for saying ****. Isn't comparative religion to argue the "other" side of everything as well? People seem to be too close minded and intolerant here if they don't want to hear what they believe in seems a bit sad. I said **** but in another thread a guy says he believes anyone who doesn't follow islam will burn in hell and evverybody doesnt say a word and agrees with him. what the heck is this? And no I am not a troll I wouldn't waste my time being one I have a life. I am a 19 year old college student born and raised in india currently living in southern california.

None of us are closed minded. You contradicted yourself, which is a sign of dishonesty and hypocrisy and thus your words were not taken lightly. Maybe you should try to be more honest from now on.

And why are you worried so much about a Muslim believing that non-Muslims will go to hell. You don't believe in our hell. For a person who doesn't believe in the Islamic hell and who has nothing to fear, you seem worried.
 
you say I contradicted myself. Can you please show me one post where I did?
 
I apologize for saying ****. Isn't comparative religion to argue the "other" side of everything as well? People seem to be too close minded and intolerant here if they don't want to hear what they believe in seems a bit sad. I said **** but in another thread a guy says he believes anyone who doesn't follow islam will burn in hell and evverybody doesnt say a word and agrees with him. what the heck is this?

Thank you for apologising. Please do these things and I will converse with you.

1) Space out your sentences
2) That person is right, anyone who does not die a Muslim will enter hell
3) Read the links I gave you

You don't seem to be wanting to read any information. You seem to want to debate blindlessly.
 
I don't believe that to be true. I don't think heaven is a members only club. I believe God will judge everyone according to how they were as a person not by what language they prayed to Him in, what holidays they celebrated, and what religion they called themselves.
 
Thank you for apologising. Please do these things and I will converse with you.

1) Space out your sentences
2) That person is right, anyone who does not die a Muslim will enter hell
3) Read the links I gave you

You don't seem to be wanting to read any information. You seem to want to debate blindlessly.

I am not allowed to disagree saying that there is absolutely no evidence in the quran with anything related to human life? But he is allowed to say anyone who is not a muslim enters hell? hmm I don't see a double standard/contradiction there at all.....I think me saying the quran doesn't prove anything is a lot less offensive then someone telling me that I will burn in hell for not being a muslim.
 
Have you read the links???

No right? So speak to me when you have

Goodbye!
 
the links you posted about how islam proved things 1400 years ago when science is proving it now? Yes I did read those links. It proves absolutely nothing.
 
If a person's intention is to win a "debate" then there is no point in arguing because all he cares about is winning, time is better spent on someone humble who is looking to learn either to find truth for themselves or achieve better understanding. We don't really know what a person's intention is but judging from the outward we can often tell what a person is after.
 
what am I after hulk? I am looking for answers too. But if the answers do not add up then I will say I don't agree with it.
 
Take a look at your etiquette in the forum and the manner of which you respond. I asked you more than once to practice basic courtesy of using paragraphs in responses and what did you respond to me? Something along the lines of "Can't read a few lines but can memorise the Quran in a month? Contradiction?"

Is this the attitude of a learner of someone out to fuel his ego?

 
Hulk I felt like you were asking me to write in paragraphs out of anger that you couldn't get your point across not in the way you actually were requesting me to. If you were the latter then I apologize.
 
the links you posted about how islam proved things 1400 years ago when science is proving it now? Yes I did read those links. It proves absolutely nothing.

Did you agree with those links? That would be a good starting point. If you agree, then it does prove something, for you at least.
 
the links you posted about how islam proved things 1400 years ago when science is proving it now? Yes I did read those links. It proves absolutely nothing.

You didn't read anything then. I see no more reason to post in this thread.

Goodbye.
 
What is your alternative hypothesis for the origins of god, joboman? do you think man created God?

If yes, then was it a willful creation, to deceive the masses, or was it a necessary creation (based on its importance on how our genes evolved)??

Some neuroscientists with MD and PhD degrees both suggest that God was necessary to be created as we humans evolved spiritual brain and a rational brain.
 
hello cosmicpathos. I honestly cannot say for sure from any angle or direction of this how human beings or life in general was created. I just think we shouldn't come to conclusions so easily as to whether it was god (allah) who created us or not. Let us take the course of learning more and more over time then maybe we can come to a conclusion. But at this point in humankind it seems silly to put a name to it as there are 100's of religions in this world all of them believing they are the right religion and the other is wrong. How can we move forward as human beings in general when we have differences like this that affects every day of our lives for example a white christian man isn't welcome in most arabian countries while a lot of muslims are shunned upon in america after 9/11. Why can't we just learn to coexist in peace without religion always being the X factor in human kind decisions. We are human beings first religion second. We are made of the same blood heart, two feet, two legs, two eyes.
 
Many non-Muslims get enraged when they hear that only Followers of Islam will enter heaven. That is absolutely normal behavior, and there is nothing wrong with it. If I was in their shoes, I would probably do the exact same thing, and start to patronize Islam and Muslims on the whole. But the fact of the matter is, there is a reason why Followers of Islam say that they are the only ones who will enter Heaven. I will try to explain it over here as clearly as possible, and I'll hope that my non-Muslim brothers and sisters will be able to understand and accept the logic behind it, inshAllah.

Followers of Islam believe in a single supernatural being governing all creation and call that entity Allah. Unlike other religions, Islam is the only religion where devotion and worship is restricted to one and only one God. Although other religions have similar claims, but there practices and beliefs prove otherwise.

The Qur'an and Ahadeeth teach us that actions are judged by intentions. Allah clearly mentions in the Qur'an that if you do any good deed with the sole intent of pleasing Him then He wills surely reward you for it in the hereafter, whereas if there is any other goal behind it then that deed holds no value in the afterlife and will be recompensed in this world itself.

If you do the kindest action possible with an evil purpose behind it then it is nothing short of a sin. It rather works against than for you, as you initially thought. You might be able to curry favor in this world with that action, but the hereafter will be full of difficulties for you. Thus, an intention can be noble only when its aim is to please Allah, and that's because there can be no good without God. In fact, if you take out "God" from the word "good", all you are left with is an O - which closely resembles the value of nothingness i.e. zero.

There are many righteous and selfless people in this world, but not everyone's actions are pointed at the pleasure of Allah. And so, heaven is a place only for those people who did strive hard in this life in order to please Allah.

You might also say that followers of other religions are also doing a lot of good work in the name of God, what about those people? Like I said before, many religions claim to worship one God, but their beliefs contradict it. The most hated sin is shirk (joining partners in worship with Allah), and those people are committing shirk under the misconception of pleasing God. If they really wanted to know God then they would realize it themselves that anything other than Islam is not leading them solely and only towards Him. And I am not the only one saying it. Every year hundreds of thousands of people are willfully entering the fold of Islam; some of them are even scholars and priests of their previous religion, and they admit it themselves that how they found loopholes in their religion and found peace and truth in Islam.

Every other religion has some element or the other where they are worshiping multiple beings or material beings. Thus, if an action has "I want to please Jesus Christ or any other being" motto behind it then it rather infuriates Allah instead of pleasing Him because of shirk. As a result, the good actions which were committed with a goal different from pleasing Allah are only going to help people in this world. In the hereafter, the only currency that works is noble actions aimed at pleasing the one and only God. People who devoutly follow Islam are the only ones who have that intention and therefore, Allah will reward with them with what He promised.

I hope my explanation was clear cut and easy to understand.
 
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I just think we shouldn't come to conclusions so easily as to whether it was god (allah) who created us or not.

I appreciate your thoughts. But why do you think we will ever scientifically come to these conclusions? Can we, by being within the system, ever learn the workings of the system, when we are bound by the laws of that very system? We will never come to FULLY understand how life and universe originated, we can only subjectively study it by being within the system. But I do not want to base my afterlife, if there is one which I believe there is one, on subjective conjecture, and I cant wait for 10000 years for humanity to find the answer, as I will die in a short span of time of less than 100 years. Everyone makes the choice which seems rational to them. To me, belief seemed to be the most rational choice.
 
hello cosmpicpathos I just feel like things to which we don't know we should just let it be instead of putting a "GOD" tag under it. The reality of the matter is we do not know. If I don't know something I will say I don't know.
 
If you find a work of art or a machine isn't it logical to deduce that it had a maker?
 

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