Orthodox Jewish 'Modesty Patrols' Put Israelis on Edge

could that number be around 70 thousand and not 15 million (which might be total Jewish population of the entire planet)

oh BTW how many jews are there of the Iranian variety?

and did I ever say to you that little knowlege is a dangerous thing?

is 70 thousand a greater part of 15 million?
around 25000 according to some...

and some scholars have said this is at the time of the dajjal :

«لتقاتلن اليهود حتى يقول الشجر والحجر: يا مسلم يا عبد الله ورائي يهودي تعال فاقتله»


and please refer to my post again, I said a great number of them, not most of them.
 
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around 25000 according to some...

and some scholars have said this is at the time of the dajjal :
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and please refer to my post again, I said a great number of them, not most of them.
oh dear o deary me!

scholars have said this or is it from the ahadees?

this must be most misquoted and abused line I have ever come across and it is used by Jewish hate mongers to bash Islam with the same zeal as it is used by the lunatic wing of alleged scholars of Islam.
refer to my post again, I said a great number of them, not most of them.
I looked and saw no difference at all, to me a great number still implies a huge number

when the time comes current Jewish population may even be ten times it is today and that would make the figure of between 20k and 70k even more insignificant (in percentage terms)
 
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None of us here are scholars and if anyone does happen to be one, we have no verification that the person using the name is truly that person.

Please be aware that each of us can only express our own opinion and that may not always be correct.

To post any thing that may appear to be a fatwa, Scholastic tasfir or an "official opinion of Islam" list a valid source to verify the authenticity.

Outside of that acknowledge a comment is personal opinion and subject to scrutiny by people that may be more knowledgable.

Personal, opinion is far game for disagreement and must not be presented as valid Islamic teaching, unless a valid source to prove it is can be shown.

Outside of that Bro. Doorster's signature

29:46
and argue not with the people of the Book, unless it be in (a way) that is better,
except with those of them who do wrong,
and Say:
"We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; Our Ilâh and Your Ilâh is One (Allâh), and to Him we have submitted".

sums up any arguement very well and further debate will be seen as being off topic or violation of a forum rule that bans commentary of fiqh and aqeedah.
 
this must be most misquoted and abused line I have ever come across and it is used by Jewish hate mongers to bash Islam with the same zeal as it is used by the lunatic wing of alleged scholars of Islam.I looked and saw no difference at all, to me a great number still implies a huge number

now I understand where is this coming from, so you think I'm using this to imply we will annihilate the Jews etc?
if so, I agree in principal with you in the way you replied.
although you do seem to be a bit too quick to jump to unfounded assumptions.
again, I wasn't implying most of them, i simply said a great number. if you think seventy thousand is a small number then you're free to do so, and I wasn't speaking percentage wise to bring it up anyway.


also, not having knowledge about some subject or the scholars opinions about it is by no means reason to dismiss it when it is brought up. bu this matter is perhaps too complex for some, and I'll admit all the source/s I can provide are in Arabic...
 
now I understand where is this coming from, so you think I'm using this to imply we will annihilate the Jews etc?
if so, I agree in principal with you in the way you replied.
although you do seem to be a bit too quick to jump to unfounded assumptions.
again, I wasn't implying most of them, i simply said a great number. if you think seventy thousand is a small number then you're free to do so, and I wasn't speaking percentage wise to bring it up anyway.


also, not having knowledge about some subject or the scholars opinions about it is by no means reason to dismiss it when it is brought up. but this matter is perhaps too complex for some, and I'll admit all the source/s I can provide are in Arabic...
okay Thank you! I understand you too now so I apologise for any upset I may have caused

but I still prefer posts which mention that scholar says this, that or the other to actually have the name of the scholar

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also, not having knowledge about some subject or the scholars opinions about it is by no means reason to dismiss it when it is brought up. but this matter is perhaps too complex for some, and I'll admit all the source/s I can provide are in Arabic...
I think that any genuine Muslim website in any language (as source) is acceptable here on LI (better than no source at all :) )

but I do not need you to post the source for Arabic line posted @ http://www.islamicboard.com/1019260-post61.html

wa salaam
 
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Selam to you abu Sayyad! I appreciate you are concerned about some things. If you are upset about condition of muslims, try to find out how much muslims suffer ( contact association of human rights) in lot of countries where no exist -democratic low-, including lot of "muslims" country.
Situation in Palestina is not good, but there is lot of country where is worse for muslims. In this time, lot of muslims rise tension about jewish and irritate and provoke many muslims to start violence against anybody! Results: Lot of muslims became harmed of police, and go to prison. We dont need that.
Israel is occupier,( lot of muslims took money when they sell territory) but it is very complex problem.
When you speak about individual person, do you know about jewish girl who reported -from face of place- and she killed of Israel soldiers. Who of muslims said to her familly-thanx? What about when "muslims" make violence, will we speak about that? Whatever you think about me, I am on muslims side, but i recommend to you to collect more informations before you speak about Israel. When we, muslims, start to speak about us, our good and BAD, it wil be better.
Is there anybody to say to muslims in Palestina: "dont use stones to hit Israels soldiers"! Try to use a stone against Hitlers soldiers, soldiers of Saddam Husein, soldiers of China...
You and me are just persons, let presidents of "muslims" states take care about it.
 
Selam to you abu Sayyad! I appreciate you are concerned about some things. If you are upset about condition of muslims, try to find out how much muslims suffer ( contact association of human rights) in lot of countries where no exist -democratic low-, including lot of "muslims" country.

Situation in Palestina is not good, but there is lot of country where is worse for muslims. In this time, lot of muslims rise tension about jewish and irritate and provoke many muslims to start violence against anybody! Results: Lot of muslims became harmed of police, and go to prison. We dont need that.

Israel is occupier,( lot of muslims took money when they sell territory) but it is very complex problem.

When you speak about individual person, do you know about jewish girl who reported -from face of place- and she killed off Israel soldiers. Which of muslims said to her familly-thanx?

What about when "muslims" make violence, will we speak about that? Whatever you think about me, I am on muslims side, but i recommend to you to collect more informations before you speak about Israel. When we, muslims, start to speak about us, our good and BAD, it wil be better.

Is there anybody to say to muslims in Palestina: "dont use stones to hit Israels soldiers"! Try to use a stone against Hitlers soldiers, soldiers of Saddam Husein, soldiers of China...

You and me are just persons, let presidents of "muslims" states take care about it.
I don't understand why you are addressing him when all he did was to post a news article which others turned in to a hate-fest. and could you read the whole thread so that you can see that Israel is being defended as much as being attacked in this thread

having said that, I do, however, have to agree that we are never going to get anywhere until we look at our own faults and stop blaming the world (west) for all our woes, instead we need to engage with it.
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:-[ I am stupid, I just looked at the first post again and noticed a comment from him at the very bottom, I am sorry carry on! I bid you all farewell, good night and all that :thumbs_up
 
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I've read an article years ago saying that Dhulqarnayn was not Alexander the Great, but he was Cyrus the Great, the Emperor of Persia.

I read an article that it was Solomon the prophet since the person was described as pious and having many means to accomplish things but we had a huge argument about it here on LI.. to be quite honest, only Allah swt knows who he is, one thing for sure he couldn't have been someone not pious, and Alexander the great was anything but.. as history tells..

Allah knows best

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I read an article that it was Solomon the prophet since the person was described as pious and having many means to accomplish things but we had a huge argument about it here on LI.. to be quite honest, only Allah swt knows who he is, one thing for sure he couldn't have been someone not pious, and Alexander the great was anything but.. as history tells..

Allah knows best

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True

the person we have come to know as Alexander was the son of Phillipi ll of Macedonia his actual name was Phillipi lll or Phillipou. The name Alexander is a corrupted English translation for the Arabic Al-eskandra, which I believe came from a Farsi derogatory nickname pertaining to his lust for young boys.

In much of the Arabic world the name Al-eskandra is used in much the same way "boogey man" is used in the Western world. Adults sometimes warn their children that if they are not good, Al-eskandra will come take them away.

al-eskandra does not seem to have been a very nice or admirable person and with no indication of having been pious.
 
Alexander diddnt need to be Pious.
After his visit to Ammon at Siwah he announced his Godhood as the son of Zeus,which was accepted mainly, escpecially after he started dressing in the robes of Aammon.

As a God, he obviously diddnt feel the need to be Pious.
 
Alexander diddnt need to be Pious.
After his visit to Ammon at Siwah he announced his Godhood as the son of Zeus,which was accepted mainly, escpecially after he started dressing in the robes of Aammon.

As a God, he obviously diddnt feel the need to be Pious.

also true,

Interesting side note historically it seems self-proclaimed gods, generally were not very nice people.
 
True

the person we have come to know as Alexander was the son of Phillipi ll of Macedonia his actual name was Phillipi lll or Phillipou. The name Alexander is a corrupted English translation for the Arabic Al-eskandra, which I believe came from a Farsi derogatory nickname pertaining to his lust for young boys.

In much of the Arabic world the name Al-eskandra is used in much the same way "boogey man" is used in the Western world. Adults sometimes warn their children that if they are not good, Al-eskandra will come take them away.

al-eskandra does not seem to have been a very nice or admirable person and with no indication of having been pious.

according to ancient Malay legend... Malays are descendants of Iskandar Zulkarnain.... (Alexander the Dhulqarnayn)...thats why there are hundreds of thousands of people with the name "Iskandar" in Malaysia...
 
Because he thinks that modesty patrols are ok. Just not in Israel. Or maybe Im wrong.
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I believe you have subatantially missed his point.

I don't think he is claiming that such behavior is not present in Muslim countries, or even that it is wrong, his point seems to be that if these were Muslims doing this it would instantly be up on Rober Spencer's "Jihad Watch" (a disgusting websight run by a slimy excuse for a human being) as further proof of "Muslim Agression". He is noteing that this story is not reported in the same way as a Muslim equivalent because there is a deeply held Western prejudice that Muslim=opression of women.

For instance if this were a Muslim group Robert Spencer would point to this, Domestic abuse rates of Muslim homes in, for example, the UK and then draw the conclusion that the common factor here is Islam, therefore Islam must be the cause. However people do not take the fact of this Jewish modesty squad, some equivalent action in a geographically different Jewish communiyt and then draw the conclusion that Jusaidm is causing opression of women.

and is point is quite spot on, in my oppinion:hmm:
 

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