Osama Bin Laden has been killed

[CosmicPathos]

Islamabad, since its the capital, generally has highly educated population so I suspect the Shias there are not nutter types. But really, you cant generalize, ive seen shiite medical doctors mutilate themselves just to attain trance and to develop passion for Hussayn (as)

ughhhh.. do you know what type exists around Islamabad? or do you always get a garden variety.. Oh God.. truly Pakistan and India are lands of wonders as I used to read in fairy tales..



I believed that about Egyptians too, I really did but I was surprised, surely the world that produces the likes of Dr. Ahmad deedat we can find many more like him perhaps subdued by the govt. and other nutters? I am aggrieved to hear this and I hope that it is just the people you've come across and not representative of pakistanis at large.. the least we can do now is pray for their guidance and hope for the best..


imsad imsad imsad

I hope so too. Of course there are the likes of great scholars such as Mufti Taqi Usmani, Maulana Tariq Jameel etc but the secularly educated youth is experimenting with godlessness, afraid to say that.

 

[Verdetequiero]

Never fear a new villain will enter the foyer pretty soon =)
they love that villain superhero fantasy .. how can life possible exist for them without some sort of bad guy?

There is always Ted Winter.

 

[جوري]

Islamabad, since its the capital, generally has highly educated population so I suspect the Shias there are not nutter types. But really, you cant generalize, ive seen medical shiite doctors mutilate themselves just to attain trance and to develop passion for Hussayn (as)



I hope so too. Of course there are the likes of great scholars such as Mufti Taqi Usmani, Maulana Tariq Jameel etc but the secularly educated youth is experimenting with godlessness, afraid to say that.

godlessness has always existed not a new experiment at all.. and evil things are always loud.. they've alot of sparkle and lure like fake jewelry!

 

[ابن آل مرة]

The Ma`shaaikh on OBL's death.

Sheikh Yashir Burhami

 

[Woodrow]

Don't tell me you buy into to the 'false flag' garbage as well?! :muddlehea

Just acknowledging I did not think a depleted nuke could be of any use. I had never thought of the possibility it could still be used in a deadly manner. As far as the "false flag" at this moment I am neither denying nor agreeing as I simply do not have all facts for all the scenarios that are possible.

 

[جوري]

The Ma`shaaikh on OBL's death.

I guess that should take care of what country would have offered him burial if indeed he'd died and under the circumstances they presented. In the very least many with private lands would have offered a spot!

 

[Verdetequiero]

Just acknowledging I did not think a depleted nuke could be of any use. I had never thought of the possibility it could still be used in a deadly manner. As far as the "false flag" at this moment I am neither denying nor agreeing as I simply do not have all facts for all the scenarios that are possible.

Take heed heathens and atheists here is a true co equal of the false idol of Richard Dawkins and Hitchens. He doubts until proof is given and keeps his mind open. A true child of the enlightenment.

 

[جوري]

Take heed heathens and atheists here is a true co equal of the false idol of Richard Dawkins and Hitchens. He doubts until proof is given and keeps his mind open. A true child of the enlightenment.

here here for br. woodrow.. a true diamond in the rough..

 

[Trumble]

It was indeed a rhetorical question--We will never know will we? I think people in Yemen, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia his mother country would have given him proper burial. Egypt has taken exiles like the former shah they wouldn't take america's quintessential bad guy? give me a break mac!

You really think anybody would have welcomed the opportunity to bury him, with all the security implications that went with it. Really? Give ME a break. BTW, his 'mother country' didn't want him. Who else, if anybody, was actually asked we don't know.

Since when are they respectful of Islamic rituals?

Since there was nothing to be lost by being as respectful of them as far as the situation reasonably allowed. Of course, in all probability nobody involved actually gave a rat's a$$ about what happened to his body, but there's no point in annoying anybody more than they have to. As to leaving the body hanging around and releasing photos; anybody remember the bleating that went on regarding Saddam's corpse when that was done? And, let's be real, Osama was probably something more of a mess. Can't have it both ways.

Anyway, I thought you thought he died of an illness years ago, and no doubt received a suitable burial at the hands of his buddies? So what's your beef? Again, you can't have it both ways.

 

[ابن آل مرة]

Death of Usamah Bin Laden: Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

The reaction says it all, there is celebration in the streets of New York, whilst silence in the streets of the Islamic world; freedom fighter or terrorist depends on whose perspective. There is no doubt many in the Islamic world and the non-Islamic world (e.g. Latin America), are privately mourning the death of Usamah Bin Laden, seen as a symbol of resistance to Western imperialism. Unlike Saddam Hussein and his ilk, Usamah Bin Laden died fighting like a Mujahid, as the old proverb says, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

It is disgusting the way the media constantly highlights the 3000 that perished in 9/11, as if the American and western lives are more valuable than others. The message construed is simple, its Bin Laden and 9/11, there are no other casualties and no other factors. Indeed, the entire narrative is false. They say 9/11 marks the beginning of the conflict, whereas the conflict started from the end of the First World War; the Arabs seeking independence were betrayed (Sykes-Picot treaty) for their support to the Allied forces. Their lands were carved up to suit the interests of the colonialists, who facilitated the migration of the Zionists to Palestine, paving the way for the creation of Israel. Eventually, the Arabs were ‘rewarded’ with Israel and the Palestinian Diaspora (nakba) for their cooperation and service to the colonialists.

What is even more absurd about the simple narrative of Bin Laden and 9/11 is that America is portrayed as the victim. Just the thought makes you laugh, it’s like you have to imagine the US Soldiers dressed as benign priests, rather than killing Iraqis for fun, as the numerous clips leaked on the internet with the awful images of Abu-Ghraib confirms!

Prior to 9/11, 500,000 Iraqi children were killed through barbaric sanctions, and post 9/11 almost a million innocent Iraqis died for those mythical WMDs! To date, nobody has been bought to account for the illegal war built on lies. The losses of innocence are conveniently classed as collateral damage that can be swept under the carpet like dirt! Has anyone been bought to trial for the carnage in Gaza, when the Israelis unleashed disproportionate force on the civilian population, committing a clear act of state-terrorism?

It is simplistic to call Usamah Bin Laden a terrorist, when his opponent has murdered much more civilians in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan, that pre-dates 9/11. Likewise, to call Usamah a religious fanatic is hypocritical, when George Bush is the one claimed to be talking to God,who allegedly inspired him to launch the war on the innocent people of Iraq. It is ironic that the Christian God of ‘love’ would order one to wage to war, rather than to turn the other cheek!

Regardless if you agree with the methods used by Usamah and his men, as an individual he outdid his opponents. He was far more eloquent than George Bush, a semi-literate guy with a drink problem, who often embarrassed the US by his numerous idiotic statements. Usamah also had far more integrity than Tony Blair, unlike Blair he never lied and was generous with his wealth, constantly helping the needy, Jason Burke elaborates on this in his book, Al-Qaeda. Whereas it took a lot of media pressure for Tony Blair (who did so well out of the Iraq war), to make some nominal contribution to the British soldiers who suffered losses.

The most important question is – did Usamah succeed to any level or was he a total failure. This depends on how you define success and failure, but we can avoid the debate, by looking at his main objectives. First was to create the Arabic Nahda (revival), this never materialised; despite the war waged over Iraq and the revelations of the gruesome events of Abu-Ghraib, the masses in the Arab/Islamic world did not revolt. In fact, the only uprisings we have seen are the recent revolutions sweeping through the Arab world, where the call is unanimous for a democratic government that is free from corruption and nepotism. The masses want secular freedom and democracy, rather than a Caliphate or an Islamic Emirate, they are no longer burning the American flags and chanting anti-Western slogans, they have come to realise that they need to take responsibility and clean their homes.

Secondly, Usamah failed to topple a single regime in the Arab/Islamic world. This is largely because he misread the situation, whilst many sympathise with his grievances, but do not support the creation of an Islamic State or an Islamic Emirate. It means one has to engage the masses in the Arab world politically to make the case for an Islamic State, how such a state can overcome the numerous issues that divide the Arab and Islamic world, and bring about unity. Thus, instead of waging wars on the West, they should have focused on building a stable prosperous Afghanistan based on the Sharia model that could act as a shining example. They could have shown how the various tribes of Afghanistan unified, overcoming their historical animosity; this would have had greater resonance in the Arab and Islamic world. However, the Taliban remained largely Pashtun based, and the Arabs remained as their guests, despite professing unity based on the Islamic laws and values.

Yamin Zakaria (Abu Usamah)
London, UK

http://yaminzakaria.blogspot.com/2011/05/death-of-usamah-bin-laden-freedom.html#more

 

[Verdetequiero]

I guess that should take care of what country would have offered him burial if indeed he'd died and under the circumstances they presented. In the very least many with private lands would have offered a spot!

too tempting a target for the missiles of the kuffar my dear. The stars may be heavenly weapons against the jinn but a insensate redneck from the swamps of Louisiana can guide a Tomahawk to the faithful with ease.

 

[جوري]

You really think anybody would have welcomed the opportunity to bury him, with all the security implications that went with it. Really? Give ME a break. BTW, his 'mother country' didn't want him. Who else, if anybody, was actually asked we don't know.

Yes I really think that.. how do you know the mother country didn't want him? is it because obama's/bush's despots said so? the 'royal family' aren't owners not representatives of Saudi Arabia.. also he was a billionaire with lands galore he could have been buried on what he owns.. obviously the youtube vids above prove your theories null and void.. as he was indeed loved by many!

Since there was nothing to be lost by being as respectful of them as far as the situation reasonably allowed. Of course, in all probability nobody involved actually gave a rat's a$$ about what happened to his body, but there's no point in annoying anybody more than they have to. As to leaving the body hanging around and releasing photos; anybody remember the bleating that went on regarding Saddam's corpse when that was done? And, let's be real, Osama was probably something more of a mess. Can't have it both ways.

Again you speak for your own people, they're not representative of the world not even a minuscule representative of world population, just a delusional bunch of people who fancy themselves civilized expecting that everyone love what they love and hate what they hate.. well let's burst that bubble for you!

Anyway, I thought you thought he died of an illness years ago, and no doubt received a suitable burial at the hands of his buddies? So what's your beef? Again, you can't have it both ways.

I never said he died years ago or not. There is much about him I don't know and that I have admitted to, but one thing for sure, I don't subscribe to your brand of truth!

all the best

 

[جوري]

too tempting a target for the missiles of the kuffar my dear. The stars may be heavenly weapons against the jinn but a insensate redneck from the swamps of Louisiana can guide a Tomahawk to the faithful with ease.

sure... one thing we can count on with dumb rednerckers is they're good at annihilating one another with their friendly fires.. in such a case better to be a spectator than a participant.. but I enjoy your confidence in those who can't stand up against water or wind to date!

got pickled pork feet wrapped in bacon?

but on a more serious note.. they couldn't find his whereabouts for 10 yrs or so, when he apparently lived the lavish life in a metropolitan town .. you think 'insensate redneckers' will find an unmarked grave in the remote regions of the middle east or beyond? I understand the love for carpet bombing is a western original and all but believe me to bomb a sovereign nation in that region which is already very volatile and seething with rage can spell great disaster for those 'insensate' heathens-- there is 1.86 billion of us after all!

all the best

 

[GuestFellow]

......before anyone gets on a hype about this...have they not noticed something? Someone theyve been hunting for all these years apparently...they jus killed and tossed in the sea? No media coverage? No pictures, no videos? No display case of his body? (Astaghfirullah..)
When they were going to hang Saddam...he was all over the news...pictures, videos...EVERYTHING. Even a video of his hanging. And yet someone who to them is WORSE...they put out nothing? And when this question was asked, they just swept the questions under the rug..why?

Something to think about....if anything he probably died ages ago if he is in fact dead...Allaahu Musta'an.

Salaam,

Saddam was captured without bruises and physical injuries. Osama was shot and the picture of his death might have been too graphic. So this is may be a possibility why no picture was taken of Osama. Also, some Muslims might have been very upset or angry to see Osama dead body and might want revenge.

 

[GuestFellow]

Its an interesting question asked by the guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/03/osama-bin-laden-soviet-union-baddie
so who will be the new bogey man for the west?

There is no need for a new bogey man for the West. The US government claims Al Qaeda still exists. You also have Muslims being suspected/accused of plotting terroristic attacks, which can be used to justify wars.

 

[جوري]

Salaam,

Saddam was captured without bruises and physical injuries. Osama was shot and the picture of his death might have been too graphic. So this is may be a possibility why no picture was taken of Osama. Also, some Muslims might have been very upset or angry to see Osama dead body and might want revenge.

I sincerely believe that first attempt with the doctored up photo was meant to as a litmus test to see if the public would buy it, if a greater number of them had, then it would have circulated and the rest labeled conspiracy theorists as is usually the case..

 

[Cabdullahi]

Salaam,

Saddam was captured without bruises and physical injuries. Osama was shot and the picture of his death might have been too graphic. So this is may be a possibility why no picture was taken of Osama. Also, some Muslims might have been very upset or angry to see Osama dead body and might want revenge.

Yo thats what i read on the daily fail......remember saddams sons?

They reconstructed their faces and everything after they were blown to smithereens ...they could do the same to obama ops sorry i mean osama...so whats going on?

check it out

Uday saddam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/25/iraq



Bro guestfellow don't believe a word they say...switch off the TV

 

[GuestFellow]

I sincerely believe that first attempt with the doctored up photo was meant to as a litmus test to see if the public would buy it, if a greater number of them had, then it would have circulated and the rest labeled conspiracy theorists as is usually the case..

What do you really think has happened to Osama? Just curious to hear variety of views...

They reconstructed their faces and everything after they were blown to smithereens ...they could do the same to obama ops sorry i mean osama...so whats going on?

Uday saddam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/25/iraq

Still I doubt many Iraqi civilians or Muslims cared about Saddam's son. The difference between Osama and Saddam's son is that Osama is more respected. To see a picture of Osama dead could anger many Muslims. This is probably why the US did not release a picture.

Bro guestfellow don't believe a word they say...switch off the TV

I'm purely speculating. I have not reached any conclusion. I suspect more information might be released. At this stage, it is best to hear as many views as possible, compare them, and see which one is more believable.

Does anyone find something odd about the picture? The laptop screen are black, as though this all has been staged. It does not appear that the laptops are on.

 

[sur]

At least Canadians are NOT buying these American lies...

From Minutes:3:55
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[جوري]

What do you really think has happened to Osama? Just curious to hear variety of views...

you know I honestly don't know.. I do know though that it was card bound to be played as previous cards were played in that perfect comedic timing and that there is a political agenda behind it-- but such an agenda might not come to fruition or may in fact blow in their face.. They can use it as an exist strategy from some regions and an entrance one to another depending on where the new villain presents from and which of their people they choose to sacrifice next to justify their next invasion..

while all of this is going on however the entire geopolitical situation in the middle east is changing far faster than they can send enough of their 'peace makers' to cause the required carnage! Also I don't know if they have enough resources for all of this considering their deficits and how much they own on the dollar to China.. Now I am sure the political and economists they've on board are calculating but perhaps not very honest.. heathens as the fellow Wichite above mentioned by their very nature aren't forthcoming.. they have no gods to answer to ..whether this means he died now, or before or was no threat at all is unknown one thing for sure, they won't have his tapes again maybe they upgraded at the CIA headquarters to blu ray and no longer play videos..

Still I doubt many Iraqi civilians or Muslims cared about Saddam's son. The difference between Osama and Saddam's son is that Osama is more respected. To see a picture of Osama dead could anger many Muslims. This is probably why the US did not release a picture.

and celebrating on the streets like the mindless hooligans that they're won't anger Muslims?

I'm purely speculating. I have not reached any conclusion. I suspect more information might be released. At this stage, it is best to hear as many views as possible, compare them, and see which one is more believable.

True.. but all the news we're getting are from questionable sources.. have Ben Laden's relatives confirmed or denied any of this? he has one daughter or something who posed for playboy he has quite a huge family with all kinds of people.. some of them western heathens too who would love to confirm this first hand.. was anything confirmed from them?

Does anyone find something odd about the picture? The laptop screen are black, as though this all has been staged. It does not appear that the laptops are on.

They were on screen saver mode, the photographer was focusing on their shocked, alarmed, and relieved expressions to work on the extra details..