Osama Bin Laden has been killed

[GuestFellow]

and celebrating on the streets like the mindless hooligans that they're won't anger Muslims?

Good point.

True.. but all the news we're getting are from questionable sources.. have Ben Laden's relatives confirmed or denied any of this? he has one daughter or something who posed for playboy he has quite a huge family with all kinds of people.. some of them western heathens too who would love to confirm this first hand.. was anything confirmed from them?

True, the mainstream media is not going to provide any answers. That's interesting, I would have thought his family would want his dead body back and bury him. I think they are living in Saudi Arabia. Omar Osama bin Laden said himself that he would hide his dad if he had found him and not hand him over to Americans...

They were on screen saver mode, the photographer was focusing on their shocked, alarmed, and relieved expressions to work on the extra details..[/COLOR][/FONT]

Lol I didn't realise they were on screen saver mode. :embarrass I still get the impression they rehearsed this to dramatise everything...

 

[جوري]

At least Canadians are NOT buying these American lies...

From Minutes:3:55
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such a brilliant tape.. I must admit I feel that many people save for the sheep know exactly how the cards are being played..
lol about Godzilla

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Still I doubt many Iraqi civilians or Muslims cared about Saddam's son. The difference between Osama and Saddam's son is that Osama is more respected. To see a picture of Osama dead could anger many Muslims. This is probably why the US did not release a picture.

Since when did the kuffaar care about the sentiments of Muslims? LOL.
Seriously though, since when?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Salaam,

Saddam was captured without bruises and physical injuries. Osama was shot and the picture of his death might have been too graphic. So this is may be a possibility why no picture was taken of Osama. Also, some Muslims might have been very upset or angry to see Osama dead body and might want revenge.

Again...since when do the kuffaar care about the sentiments of Muslims?
You're not seriously going to use that line are you? They already do a hoard of things to anger the masses, including and not limited to the Muslims.

The so called degradation or brutality of those Muslims in places like Guantanamo were meant to be hidden, yet they were leaked and everyone saw them. No one was exactly shot, but hey they didn't want the world to know what dirty tricks were up their sleeves. So I wonder how this is any different? And the fact that they outright REFUSE to answer these questions is dodgy in itself. But here you are being a spokesperson...

 

[جوري]

Good point.

I don't think they're particularly intoned to Muslim sensibilities .. this after all came from the people who sacrificed Saddam on eid Al Adha.. I think they'd rather go our of their way to offend us wouldn't you agree?

True, the mainstream media is not going to provide any answers. That's interesting, I would have thought his family would want his dead body back and bury him. I think they are living in Saudi Arabia. Omar Osama bin Laden said himself that he would hide his dad if he had found him and not hand him over to Americans...

He has a huge family and he is masha'Allah extremely rich.. also they're all over the globe as I said one of his relatives 'wafa ben laden' recently posed for playboy then changed her name to show her liege to the west..

Lol I didn't realise they were on screen saver mode. :embarrass I still get the impression they rehearsed this to dramatise everything.

You know I was being utterly and completely sarcastic there =) except for the part about their expressions .. lolol.. let me put my best face on and you photograph me from all angles! :haha:

 

[Cabdullahi]

 

[GuestFellow]

Since when did the kuffaar care about the sentiments of Muslims? LOL.
Seriously though, since when?

Kuffar is a broad term. Here is a Kuffar that cares about Muslims and even defended Muslims reaction to the Danish Cartoons

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Again...since when do the kuffaar care about the sentiments of Muslims?
You're not seriously going to use that line are you? They already do a hoard of things to anger the masses, including and not limited to the Muslims.

I said it is a possibility. I'll make myself clear, not that they care whether Muslims are upset or angry but it is what they might do. Some may want revenge and carry out attacks against western embassies, etc. Is this not a issue to be concerned about?

So I wonder how this is any different?

He was considered a leader. People do get upset or angry when an important or symbolic leader is killed.

The so called degradation or brutality of those Muslims in places like Guantanamo were meant to be hidden, yet they were leaked and everyone saw them. No one was exactly shot, but hey they didn't want the world to know what dirty tricks were up their sleeves.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3705409.stm

^ The murder was response to Abu Ghraib in particular...

But here you are being a spokesperson...

If that is what you think.

I don't think they're particularly intoned to Muslim sensibilities .. this after all came from the people who sacrificed Saddam on eid Al Adha.. I think they'd rather go our of their way to offend us wouldn't you agree?

I think they are concerned what some Muslims might do. I suspect the US may want Muslims to react violently to Osama's death to justify their presence in Afghanistan. There is a long-term military goal in Afghanistan, to be in a position where they are at an advantage.

You know I was being utterly and completely sarcastic there =) except for the part about their expressions .. lolol.. let me put my best face on and you photograph me from all angles! :haha:

I have a hard time detecting sarcasm on the Internet. :hiding: I do find their facial expression amusing lol.

 

[Futuwwa]

Please remember that Allah judges us not only by our actions, but by our intentions too. I maintain that his deeds were atrocious, but his intentions probably noble. Let's not unduly speculate over his eternal fate, only Allah knows.

As for the US having killed Osama a long time ago and holding him back to show up at an opportunate moment, I'm not buying it. What could possibly be opportunate about present day, compared to before? If Osama had been killed during Bush's term, he certainly would have wasted no time parading around Osama's severed head. After all, the War on Terror (TM) was his thing; killing Osama and making it known would have given him and the war a massive domestic credibility boost. One that could have mitigated the massive election defeat the Republicans suffered from the American voters being tired of the war. Which leaves us with the hypothesis that Osama was killed earlier during Obama's term. But that one fails for exactly the reason: Publication of Osama's death could have been used to mitigate the impending Democrat election defeat of 2010.

I honestly believe the US killed Osama this time, pretty much like they claim. Not because I trust them, but because I can't think of any plausible alternative.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

First of all...we never even met the guy. We never saw him live on TV and only know what we know by the media. If we're wrong about who and what he is and we say things, we WILL be held accountable. If he really is as bad as they say, then Allaah will deal with him accordingly.

Imagine someone doing this in your name and half the world hates you, but really you did nothing. So...really your better of remaining silent.

@Guestfellow.

There's no need to get into terminology as you know very well what I am talking about So yea, lets stick to that!

So if an ordinary Muslim dies or one held up like those in guantanamo, no one is going to care? What do we even know about him other than what we're told by the media. If I asked you what he was like, could you say one factual thing on your own?

He was considered a leader. People do get upset or angry when an important or symbolic leader is killed.

And that begs the same question. Who even knows him? All those Muslims that "like" him, what do they even know about him for themselves? Based on what are we calling him a leader for? For all we know, he could be something completely different.

Quite frankly there is no "possibility" with people killing Muslims and I mean that. The same people who connect with corrupt leaders for goodness sake.

I dont know what possibility youre talking about?

 

[جوري]

I think they are concerned what some Muslims might do. I suspect the US may want Muslims to react violently to Osama's death to justify their presence in Afghanistan. There is a long-term military goal in Afghanistan, to be in a position where they are at an advantage.

Afghanistan is the death of empires by their own account not ours.. its people are unconquerable .. so let them try to subjugate them.. it isn't about power or might mate..

http://notesfromthebartender.wordpr...ires-case-study-1-a-very-british-catastrophe/

 

[GuestFellow]

@Guestfellow.

There's no need to get into terminology as you know very well what I am talking about So yea, lets stick to that!

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So if an ordinary Muslim dies or one held up like those in guantanamo, no one is going to care?

People did care.

Video 'shows US man beheaded'

The murder was response to Abu Ghraib.

Unfortunately, the man was beheaded because Muslim prisoners were mistreated and were not going to be freed.

What do we even know about him other than what we're told by the media. If I asked you what he was like, could you say one factual thing on your own?

It is based on what I have read and heard on the media.

And that begs the same question. Who even knows him? All those Muslims that "like" him, what do they even know about him for themselves? Based on what are we calling him a leader for? For all we know, he could be something completely different.

Irrelevant people know him or not. You get people supporting Prime Ministers, Presidents, Monarchs, even though they never met them or are aware of their policies. There are people that support him and might respond violently because he was killed.

I dont know what possibility youre talking about?

There is a possibility that because Osama was killed, some Muslims might respond violently. They might carry out attacks against airports, western embassies, attack innocent civilians, etc. Whether this will happen or not, I have no idea.

It is as simple as that. =D

 

[Verdetequiero]

Death of Usamah Bin Laden: Freedom Fighter or Terrorist?

The reaction says it all, there is celebration in the streets of New York, whilst silence in the streets of the Islamic world; freedom fighter or terrorist depends on whose perspective. There is no doubt many in the Islamic world and the non-Islamic world (e.g. Latin America), are privately mourning the death of Usamah Bin Laden, seen as a symbol of resistance to Western imperialism.

Why privately? No one is going to stomp on Latin Americas door if people are out celebrating OBL. They already celebrate Che Guevara quiet openly as do many other people. The fact of the matter is that OBL has become quiet irrelevant and as such isn't that celebrated. The takfiring, kill anyone who opposes me, kill Muslims, women and children nihilistic ideology has very little appeal when broad based coalitions to gain rights and end oppression. OBL had been the face of Islam for too long and for terrible reasons. Let the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, and elsewhere take his place.

 

[جوري]

Why privately? No one is going to stomp on Latin Americas door if people are out celebrating OBL. They already celebrate Che Guevara quiet openly as do many other people. The fact of the matter is that OBL has become quiet irrelevant and as such isn't that celebrated. The takfiring, kill anyone who opposes me, kill Muslims, women and children nihilistic ideology has very little appeal when broad based coalitions to gain rights and end oppression. OBL had been the face of Islam for too long and for terrible reasons. Let the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, and elsewhere take his place.

you might not like the end results of these revolutions.. You speak pre-maturely of their outcome...

Where is rod serling when you need him? may he and other philosophers whose names you haven't dropped yet in your unending quest at clever shine some more wisdom upon you!


all the best

 

[GuestFellow]

Afghanistan is the death of empires by their own account not ours.. its people are unconquerable .. so let them try to subjugate them.. it isn't about power or might mate..

http://notesfromthebartender.wordpr...ires-case-study-1-a-very-british-catastrophe/

I'm not sure. The US has not actually set an objective in Afghanistan, according to Karen Kwiatkowski.

I highly doubt the US will be able to control Afghanistan, but for now, it does provide them with a strategic advantage over its regional enemies, especially Iran and Syria. Iran is completed surrounded. There are US military bases all over the region, including Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Iraq, etc.

Operation in Afghanistan is rooted in Israel

^ Very interesting...

 

[جوري]

I'm not sure. The US has not actually set an objective in Afghanistan, according to Karen Kwiatkowski.

I highly doubt the US will be able to control Afghanistan, but for now, it does provide them with a strategic advantage over its regional enemies, especially Iran and Syria. Iran is completed surrounded. There are US military bases all over the region, including Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Iraq, etc.

Operation in Afghanistan is rooted in Israel

^ Very interesting...

all their bases will be used against them one day insha'Allah..
also alot of their operations don't come to fruition, like with that coptic idiot swaris of Egypt and his phone towers to spy on people.. the average Muslims is too conscious of the plots comparatively speaking and far deeper in intellect even if the resources don't enable them to reach their full potential!

 

[Verdetequiero]

you might not like the end results of these revolutions.. You speak pre-maturely of their outcome...

Where is rod serling when you need him? may he and other philosophers whose names you haven't dropped yet in your unending quest at clever shine some more wisdom upon you!


all the best

Honestly I don't care how the end so long as anyone who wants to be governed in their own way, gets to be governed as they wish. If the Copts want to have their own country with their own laws that is fine by me so long as they don't impose their laws on others, and visa versa for any other group of people.

 

[جوري]

Honestly I don't care how the end so long as anyone who wants to be governed in their own way, gets to be governed as they wish. If the Copts want to have their own country with their own laws that is fine by me so long as they don't impose their laws on others, and visa versa for any other group of people.

No country's constitution is based on the exception Egypt is 90% Muslim if the copts want their own country perhaps they can have it in your back yard?.. I am glad you don't care for the outcome and insha'Allah the outcome is khilafah Rashida over the entire Muslim region, with no passports or borders!

all the best

 

[Verdetequiero]

No country's constitution is based on the exception Egypt is 90% Muslim if the copts want their own country perhaps they can have it in your back yard?.. I am glad you don't care for the outcome and insha'Allah the outcome is khilafah Rashida over the entire Muslim region, with no passports or borders!

all the best

Or on the land the Egyptian Copts are working and living on themselves? They have done more to improve that land than anyone else has, why should anyone else claim the land instead of them?

 

[Futuwwa]

Honestly I don't care how the end so long as anyone who wants to be governed in their own way, gets to be governed as they wish. If the Copts want to have their own country with their own laws that is fine by me so long as they don't impose their laws on others, and visa versa for any other group of people.

I doubt that would be practically feasible. The Copts are pretty dispersed throughout Egypt, no sensible division of current Egyptian territory would achieve a Copt majority inside it. And honestly I'd see little point in it. There aren't any significant cultural differences between Egyptian Copts and Egyptian Muslims, as much as a few embittered Copts would like to believe differently.

 

[Verdetequiero]

Hint: If Muslims want to start a Shariah state on their own property, even in the evil United States they should be able to because the Muslim who owns the land has more a claim to it than some guy in Washington. The same applies to the Copts in Egypt as well though.