Ottoman Collapse; Fall of the Ummah.

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[MENTION=40208]Akeyi[/MENTION]

Would you mind if I request a quick little summary of that? Like one of this things where people tag the end of a thing with TL; DR and then give the short version.
 
According to my political knowledge it's end on 1924 it was the time of prince faizal(should be).
And that time,Rusia became a soviet country by goberchev(how to write his name
 
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According to my political knowledge it's end on 1924 it was the time of prince faizal(should be).
And that time,Rusia became a soviet country by goberchev(how to write his name
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About your political knowledge; Mikhail Gorbachev was the last communist leader of the Soviet Union, from 1985 to 1991. At 1924 Lenin, the first leader of the Soviet Union, died and Stalin took the power.

So Gorbachev couldn´t be a leader at 1924 as he hasn´t born yet. He born at 1931.
 
Sorry [MENTION=242]sister[/MENTION]_herb I was telling about ataturk mustafa kamal of turkey. Who started a new goverment. And women are not allowed to wear hijab .

They were writing on arabic but after his entry turky people started to write on english. And ataturk changed the lifestyle of turks. A western culture introduced there ,islamic culture banned.
 
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This is far from the fall of this Ummah, Wallahi this sort of thought it what causes one to lose their Tawwakkul in Allah (AWJ)
 
Fall of Ottoman empire was proven as fall of this Ummah.
 
The Ottoman Empire fell for the same reason why most empires do: Powerful internal interest groups developed, groups whose position in society depended on things staying the way they were, and who had the power to block reforms. Resulting in stagnation and the empire falling behind its rivals in every way.
 
We can show many reasons for the fall of the Ottoman Empire but I believe leaving firstly the Turkish customs, 2ndly the Islamic customs caused the fall more than any other reason. Empires are like human beings. They must have an idendity. When a human being loses his idendity he is open to corruption and unsuccess. They firstly lost their Turkish idendity. Being a Turk was even regarded something to be ashamed of in the second half period thinking that the muslim idendity was enough. Thats not a true ynderstaning though. We have our national idendities and we just cant survive without them. And starting with the late 18th century period they started to adopt western customs in place of Islamic ones. This accelerated the fall which started with leaving the Turkish idendity in the 16th century.

But for the question whether the fall of the Ottoman Empire was the fall of the ummah, I dont think so. This ummah is greater than any state. It lives as far as you wish for your brother what you wish for yourself and collapes as far as you wish everything just for yourself.
 
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Salaam

That's interesting perspective and sad to hear, times change and you have to adapt but you shouldn't be ashamed of your heritage.

Whatever the faults and problems with the Ottoman empire it was the last time Muslims (and their various identities) had the power to exist as an 'independent' force. After that we were shattered.

It will take time for the Ummah to recover but it will survive, just in another form.
 
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I have started a thread about a video series I made which may interest you. It's in the Islamic History section :)
 

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