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Liberators? LOL you get funnier everyday, what have you got against the taliban?

Genocide, rape, religious discrimination, racism, sexism, torture, tyranny, terrorism- you know, all the usual things that generally make people bad! Sorry if it's funny! I didn't think hating evil people ever was funny, but obviously I'm not with it.
 
They believe they are fighting a just war,

The vast majority of people this world including most politicians and soldiers themselves will disagree with you on that. There is nothing just about being involved in an illegal war for no reason apart from their hidden agenda.

The soldiers are only there to do their job what they are paid for but it does'nt meant that they feel it is a just war. Several heads of army have spoken out many times about the fact that UK should NEVER have been involved in the first place and they were told to shut up and do what they are paid for by the government.

Most soldiers still don't know why they are there in their first place. Tony Blair has admitted that he would have went into iraq anyway tat is because the 'so called weapons of mass destruction' was only an excuse to go in there in the first place.

If there is any justice in the world then Tony Blair and George Bush should be tried for war crimes against humanity for they have the death over a million innocent lives on their conscience.

The vast majority of UK knows that this is an illegal war and that Britain has to pull out but it is those in the background that control things and they will stop at nothing until their hidden agneda's are achieved.

They may be planning and plotting but Allah is the best of all planners!
 
Genocide, rape, religious discrimination, racism, sexism, torture, tyranny, terrorism- you know, all the usual things that generally make people bad! Sorry if it's funny! I didn't think hating evil people ever was funny, but obviously I'm not with it.

Really? Im sure America did'nt think that when they created the Taliban to defeat Russia and trained them and gave them the weapons they still have today.

It is funny how you defend those who have taken part in countless atrocities but attack those who are trying to defend themselves! Are they to sit there and let there land be occupied and not take a stand?

You are clearly hypnotised and to absorbed by the media to know what is really going on in this world.

Learn the truth properly for yourself instead of blindly believing what the media want you to believe!
 
Really? Im sure America did'nt think that when they created the Taliban to defeat Russia and trained them and gave them the weapons they still have today.

America didn't care about that, it just wanted to humiliate and demonstrate a defeat against the USSR. It is hypocrisy.

It is funny how you defend those who have taken part in countless atrocities but attack those who are trying to defend themselves! Are they to sit there and let there land be occupied and not take a stand?

Remind me again, who am I defending that has taken part in atrocities?

You are clearly hypnotised and to absorbed by the media to know what is really going on in this world.

Must be if I disagree with your opinion.
 
Genocide, rape, religious discrimination, racism, sexism, torture, tyranny, terrorism- you know, all the usual things that generally make people bad! Sorry if it's funny! I didn't think hating evil people ever was funny, but obviously I'm not with it.

All the usual lies that come from non-muslims to degrade muslims only to be disproved almost immediately, do you see what I mean? any hate you have against the afghan taliban is generated by media and gov't lies all there to get public opinion for their 'just cause' wars.

If you ever knew any taliban you'd learn that they are some of the most simple and decent people on earth, they live by islamic law and they're free of any of the claims you've just mentioned.

The crimes you've mentioned are probably more common in one city of this country than the whole of afghanistan
 
All the usual lies that come from non-muslims to degrade muslims only to be disproved almost immediately, do you see what I mean? any hate you have against the afghan taliban is generated by media and gov't lies all there to get public opinion for their 'just cause' wars.

Of course, the usual excuse when you hear something you don't agree with! And thanks for disproving me immediately with your wealth of sources and facts, put me in my place! With arguments this strong, why do you even bother?

If you ever knew any taliban you'd learn that they are some of the most simple and decent people on earth, they live by islamic law and they're free of any of the claims you've just mentioned.

I'm sure some of them are decent people, many of whom might not even agree with the Taliban ideals they're fighting for, just fighting to keep food on the plates of their family and a roof over their head, which is why I meant the Taliban leadership- besides, they're the ones who incited the genocide, the rapes, the murders, the sexism and racism.

The crimes you've mentioned are probably more common in one city of this country than the whole of afghanistan

FYI- that's because lots of Afghans despised the Taliban and fought against them so that the Taliban could never get the chance to do what they were doing in other cities to their part of the country!
 
I'm sure some of them are decent people, many of whom might not even agree with the Taliban ideals they're fighting for, just fighting to keep food on the plates of their family and a roof over their head, which is why I meant the Taliban leadership- besides, they're the ones who incited the genocide, the rapes, the murders, the sexism and racism.

FYI- that's because lots of Afghans despised the Taliban and fought against them so that the Taliban could never get the chance to do what they were doing in other cities to their part of the country!

Bollocks as usual, go on fill us in about the 'Taliban ideals' we'd like to hear what they are and I'd like to see examples for all the 'genocide, the rapes, the murders, the sexism and racism', I'll try to find you any proof to disprove those stories

At this rate you could work for the army, help them recruit soldiers with all those 'facts' drilled into your head
 
Bollocks as usual, go on fill us in about the 'Taliban ideals' we'd like to hear what they are and I'd like to see examples for all the 'genocide, the rapes, the murders, the sexism and racism', I'll try to find you any proof to disprove those stories

At this rate you could work for the army, help them recruit soldiers with all those 'facts' drilled into your head


Brother no point discussing anything with a blind person. Let him believe what he wants. He has no facts but his arguments are only emotional fallacies. He knows NOTHNG about what is actually going on in the world but he is happy to let the media shape his perception and view of the world.

May Allah guide him to Islam and the straight path and reveal the truth to him. Ameen
 
The following is just a partial list of atrocities, massacres, murders, and injuries in recent history for which the United Sates is responsible:

• 3,000,000 Vietnamese murdered over the course of about 30 years of US aggression.

• Well over 300,000 Japanese were massacred when the US raided Tokyo and dropped nuclear bombs on the urban civilian areas of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

• 600,000 civilians were killed in Cambodia by US bombing between 1969 and 1975.

• Over 500,000 people were killed in Laos when America subjected civilians to "secret bombing" from 1964 to 1973, dropping over two million tons of bombs on the country. Over one fourth of the population also became refugees.

• 100,000 people were murdered in South Korea prior to the Korean War by a brutal repression supported by US forces in 1945. This includes between 30,000 and 40,000 killed during the suppression of a peasant revolt on Cheju Island.

• Up to 4,500,000 Koreans were killed from 1951 to 1953 during America’s massive slaughter in the Korean War.

• 200,000 were murdered when the Philippines were conquered by American forces. (This took place just over 100 years ago.)

• 23,000 people were slaughtered in Taiwan by US-backed, trained, equipped, and funded forces (Chiang’s Nationalist Army) during the late 1940s.

• 700,000 Indonesians (mostly landless peasants) were murdered in 1965 when the US armed and supported General Suharto.

• 200,000 were slaughtered in East Timor in 1975 by General Suharto with US support.

• 750,000 civilians were driven from their homes in East Timor by Indonesian forces in 1999 and 10,000 were killed.

• Over 1,700,000 Iraqis have been killed by US bombings and sanctions, mostly women and children.

• Over 1,000,000 lives were lost during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s in which the US used direct force and supported Hussein and Iraq.

• 35,000 Kurds were killed, 3,500 villages were destroyed, and between 2,000,000 and 3,000,000 became homeless as a result of aggression by Turkey with US arming and training in the 1990s.

• Over 1,000,000 people were killed in Afghanistan’s civil war from 1979 to 1992, in which the US strongly supported the Moujahedeen, the most violent and sadistic of the forces. (This also set the stage for the CIA-backed Taliban to attain power.)

• 45,000 people were killed in South Lebanon since 1982 by Israel, always armed and supported by the US

• Thousands have been killed in Palestine and millions (in both Palestine and Lebanon) were made refugees by US-backed Israel.

• Over 150,000 were killed in Greece when America advised, equipped, and financed violent interventions in the late 1940s and late 1960s.

• Over 75,000 civilians were killed and over one million refugees were created in El Salvador from 1980 to 1994 when the US intensely supported the efforts of a brutal regime and its death squads to eliminate a popular uprising.

• 40,000 civilians were killed by the US-backed National Guard in Nicaragua over the course of almost 50 years.

• 30,000 lives were killed by the US contras in Nicaragua from 1979 to 1989.

• 200,000 Guatemalans were slaughtered from 1960-1990s by a military apparatus trained, armed, funded, and assisted by America.

• Over 35,000 Colombian civilians have been killed during the US-supported Colombian war against left-wing rebels.

• More than 4,000 innocent civilians were killed in Panama during the US invasion in 1989.

• Hundreds of thousands were killed by US direct and indirect interventions in Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Peru, and Argentina from the mid 60s through the 80s.

• 50,000 Haitians were killed when the US military destroyed a peasant uprising in 1915.

• Between 4,000 and 5,000 Haitians were killed in the early 1990s by US-established forces.

• Thousands were killed in the Dominican Republic during the 1960s when US and Dominican troops crushed a pro-Bosch rebellion.

• Over 3,000 were killed and countless others injured by US interventions in Cuba.

• Hundreds were killed or injured when the US invaded Grenada in 1983.

• Over 50,000 Somalians were killed between 1978 and 1990 by US-supported Siad Barre.

• Up to 10,000 more Somalians were killed directly by US troops during America’s "humanitarian mission" in 1993.

• In the US-supported Rwandan genocide, an estimated 800,000 people were killed in just 100 days in 1994.

• Over 300,000 were killed and 80,000 were crippled in Angola from a US-supported civil war.

• Tens of thousands were killed and up to 200,000 were tortured in Chad by Hissen Habre with US support during the 1980’s.

• Over 1,000,000 were killed during Mozambique’s civil war (1980-1992), in which the brutally violent RENAMO forces were supported by the US

• 1,500,000 were killed between 1980 and 1988 in southern Africa by the US-armed South Africa.

• Thousands of people in Pacific islands, Puerto Rico, Utah, California, Nevada, Washington, New Mexico, and various other places have been killed, infected, or harmed as a result of US weapon experiments (especially nuclear weapons and weapons using depleted uranium).

• Hundreds of civil rights activists have been beaten, tortured, framed, and killed in the US by government agencies in recent history.

• Hundreds of Black Panther supporters and American Indians were framed, beaten, or murdered by the FBI and its cohorts in the late 60’s and early 70’s.

• Over 1,200 immigrants and citizens in America (mostly of Arab decent) were detained after September 11, 2001, without evidence of law-breaking or terrorist activity.

• Millions have been killed during America’s recent "War on Terror."

• Over 2,500 US soldiers and one million Iraqi civilians have perished since George W’s recent invasion of Iraq.

NOTE: These numbers are quite liberal, the numbers are likely to be much more!

Every year add hundreds of thousands more innocent lives to the total! To them it seems human lives are just like chess pieces in a game and have no significance. They will stop at nothing until they achieve what they originally set out for- World domination!
 
Bollocks as usual, go on fill us in about the 'Taliban ideals' we'd like to hear what they are and I'd like to see examples for all the 'genocide, the rapes, the murders, the sexism and racism', I'll try to find you any proof to disprove those stories

At this rate you could work for the army, help them recruit soldiers with all those 'facts' drilled into your head

Fair enough bub:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...illagers-flee-over-the-front-line-616396.html

"They burnt some of us alive." It was almost the first thing he said to us. In the dust and squalor of a refugee camp, Salahuddin told yesterday how the Taliban burnt an entire family to death in their own home in revenge for the American bombing.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0111260264nov26,0,5368139.story

DU OB, Afghanistan - Cupped in a pristine river valley and surrounded by peaks that seem to glow with pale fire at dawn, Du Ob would fit many people's idea of paradise. Its tidy almond orchards are fenced with rows of golden-leafed poplars. Its rich brown fields await turning for winter wheat.

But there are no plows at work today--just the clink of spades on bone.

"They didn't interrogate them or give them a trial," said Sayed Sher Agha, a villager searching for the bodies of eight relatives, including his son, left in a mass grave by the Taliban. "They just shot them just because they were Hazaras."

Oh, bit of racism there as well the brutal murders.

-- The 1998 massacre of 600 Uzbek villagers.

-- The 1998 capture of Mazar-e Sharif, which included, according to Human Rights watch, the execution of scores of men and boys and the rape of women and girls. The Defense Department also said shop owners, cart pullers, and women and children shoppers were killed.

-- A 2001 massacre in Yakaolang, which included, according to Human Rights Watch, the executions of at least 170 men.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/11/22/ret.wh.taliban.attrocities/index.html

http://www.hazara.net/taliban/taliban.html


The Taliban first appeared on the political scene of Afghanistan in September, 1994 in the southern Province of Kandhar, and have since taken about 90% of Afghanistan. Never has any group been more controversial then the Taliban of Afghanistan. Patrolling the streets in the pickup trucks, the Taliban members, under the General Department for the Preservation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (Amr-bil Maroof Wa Nahi Anil Munkar), search houses and destroy any television sets, radios, cassettes, and photographs. The bands of Taliban thugs roam the streets beating those they deem to be violators of the Shariah (Islamic code of Law) [2]. The Taliban's harsh fundamentalist rule has dismantled all civil institutions, and closed all women Institutions. Their leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, cloaks himself in secrecy, refusing to grant interviews or allow his photo to be taken.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ng-afghan-female-rights-activist-1667853.html


Taliban gunmen murdered one of Afghanistan’s leading female rights activists yesterday, as she stood outside her home. In the latest blow against women’s rights, two men on a motorbike shot Sitara Achakzai in the southern city of Kandahar.


Officials said the attack happened in broad daylight. The Taliban have claimed responsibility. Friends said Mrs Achakzai was returning from a provincial council meeting; her assassins were lying in wait nearby.

“This cold-blooded assassination puts in question the direction that Afghanistan is heading,” warned Wenny Kusuma, the director of the United Nations Development fund for Women in Afghanistan. “There is no respect for the rule of law.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ouple-dead-for-adultery-caught-on-camera.html

Their deaths were squalid, riddled with bullets in a field near their home by Taliban gunmen as the execution was captured on a mobile telephone.

In footage which is being watched with horror by Pakistanis, the couple try to flee when they realise what is about to happen. But a gunman casually shoots the man and then the woman in the back with a burst of gunfire, leaving them bleeding in the dirt.


Moments later, when others in the execution party shout out that they are still alive, he returns to coldly finish them with a few more rounds

These Taliban seem like really nice people- it makes one wonder why just about every nation is their enemy when all they want to do is go about killing people in peace! Feel free to call it 'Western propaganda' or whatever, the fact is I've found plentiful link and sources from reputable news companies.

Brother no point discussing anything with a blind person

Isn't that discrimination against the disabled? What prevents a blind person being a good debater!

He has no facts

Oops! Looks like I kind of do!
He knows NOTHNG about what is actually going on in the world but he is happy to let the media shape his perception and view of the world.

Out of interest, where do you get your information from if not the media? I do ever so much want to know!

Anyway, feel free to gang up again on me at any time! I'll be happy to defeat you in debate again!
 
Out of interest, where do you get your information from if not the media? I do ever so much want to know!

Anyway, feel free to gang up again on me at any time! I'll be happy to defeat you in debate again!

We get our news from the media but we verify it through interviews posted up on the net. Like recently lies by BBC Urdu Service to show that the pak taliban claimed responsilbity of all bomb attacks targetting civilians were refuted when the spokeperson of the pak taliban gave a video interview specialy to refute each of those claims.

We're not sad, we don't don't come on here to gang up on misinformed individuals like yourself, we're trying to give you the real story behind many of these false claims

I'll reply to your articles later, when I can be bothered
 
There is no wisdom or any point in debating with someone who is blind to the truth and blindly takes whatever he sees on TV and newspapers without even researching the truth for himself. Let us not waste our precious time on such a person.

May Allah guide him to the truth. Ameen
 
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No, please don't put words in my mouth. I was highlighting the perspective of the allied military. They believe they are fighting a just war, but they cannot operate large scale ground offensives, so what other alternative do they have? I never once said I approved of the military strategy did I?

I thought you were justifying the cowardly acts of the allied forces, who were afraid to get killed on ground and instead went on aerial bombings of civilians area.
But now apparently you agree with me that US and allied forces are wrong in doing the aerial bombings.
It's good that you changed your opinion for the better.

"Using your philosophy, you should not object to terrorist attacks in western countries," - What philosophy?

The philosophy that all is forgiven in war, including senselessly and consciously killing civilians in the process to achieve one's aim.
 
There is no wisdom or any point in debating with someone who is blind to the truth and blindly takes whatever he sees on TV and newspapers without even researching the truth for himself. Let us not waste our precious time on such a person.

May Allah guide him to the truth. Ameen

Agreed, They delude themselves into believing the nonsensical things that come out of their mouths and no amount of "debating" or reasoning will change their minds so there is no point in arguing.
salam
 
I have a question.......Don't beat me up, i haven't read the entire thread yet.

This may be a little off topic.....but does anyone here actually support what the Taliban and Al queda are doing??

From my understanding, both of these groups started off as American funded army's against Russian insergents? They were formed with good ideals...and then went bad? I was told Talib''an stands for "one who is seeking"? Is this true?

I'm not looking for a full history report, and I'm somewhat sure......or just hopefull thinking, that there are still those that would appose the negative aspects of what these groups are doing?

I'm only asking, not looking to throw fuel on a fire.
 
I have a question.......Don't beat me up, i haven't read the entire thread yet.

This may be a little off topic.....but does anyone here actually support what the Taliban and Al queda are doing??

From my understanding, both of these groups started off as American funded army's against Russian insergents? They were formed with good ideals...and then went bad? I was told Talib''an stands for "one who is seeking"? Is this true?

I'm not looking for a full history report, and I'm somewhat sure......or just hopefull thinking, that there are still those that would appose the negative aspects of what these groups are doing?

I'm only asking, not looking to throw fuel on a fire.

Have a quick listen to this short clip:

The Origin and Myth of 'Al Qaeda'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNvqm_qgM5U
 
There is no wisdom or any point in debating with someone who is blind to the truth and blindly takes whatever he sees on TV and newspapers without even researching the truth for himself. Let us not waste our precious time on such a person.

May Allah guide him to the truth. Ameen

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same thing, or is it merely for your own benefit, so that you can convince yourself that what you're saying is true?
 
Do you ever get tired of repeating the same thing, or is it merely for your own benefit, so that you can convince yourself that what you're saying is true?

We do not need to convince ourselves of the truth for our eyes are open and we are aware of the true agenda behind what they are doing. It is upto you what you want to believe. I am not going to force feed you anything.

What you need to realise is that that what the media feeds us everyday on TV,Radio and Newspapers is not always the real truth and im talking about all issues not just political ones.

So it is upto us to seek the real truth by looking at various sources and both sides of the arguement. We have been given logic as humans so let us use it and not just believe what the media wants us to believe all of the time like robots.
 
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Ok guys, I think it's time to lock this thread.
 
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