Over 10,000 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

[Ninth_Scribe]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Since when did pollution cause earthquakes?! :?

It would take me years to explain that, but the basic principle is this. Certain materials are effected when they expand and contract too radically. For instance, the auto industry had to do away with an engine design... steel block with aluminum heads. Why? Two different types of metal, that expand and contract at different rates when it heats and cools. Now, if you don't have problems with materials when they expand and contract by what is considered to be normal heating and cooling temperatures, that doesn't mean you can just exceed those temps without expecting any problems.

With the earth, there is more than just temperature. There are a host of other elements like magnetism. Disrupting waterways, causing explosions and a whole host of man-made events can obviously cause the earth to react. So, yes... polution, warfare, technology, waste - all these things can cause disruptions - and that includes hurricanes, tornadoes, and even earthquakes. This is why I said earlier... it's not even summer yet.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Fishman]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

It would take me years to explain that, but the basic principle is this. Certain materials are effected when they expand and contract too radically. For instance, the auto industry had to do away with an engine design... steel block with aluminum heads. Why? Two different types of metal, that expand and contract at different rates when it heats and cools. Now, if you don't have problems with materials when they expand and contract by what is considered to be normal heating and cooling temperatures, that doesn't mean you can just exceed those temps without expecting any problems.

With the earth, there is more than just temperature. There are a host of other elements like magnetism. Disrupting waterways, causing explosions and a whole host of man-made events can obviously cause the earth to react. So, yes... polution, warfare, technology, waste - all these things can cause disruptions - and that includes hurricanes, tornadoes, and even earthquakes. This is why I said earlier... it's not even summer yet.

The Ninth Scribe

I have no idea what you're on about, aren't earthquakes caused by tectonic activity? Pollution (especially air pollution as in CO2 emissions) has about as much effect on earthquake activity as a rubber duck does on your house's stability.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

has any country offered aid to china ....

 

[Air Jordan]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

It would take me years to explain that, but the basic principle is this. Certain materials are effected when they expand and contract too radically. For instance, the auto industry had to do away with an engine design... steel block with aluminum heads. Why? Two different types of metal, that expand and contract at different rates when it heats and cools. Now, if you don't have problems with materials when they expand and contract by what is considered to be normal heating and cooling temperatures, that doesn't mean you can just exceed those temps without expecting any problems.

With the earth, there is more than just temperature. There are a host of other elements like magnetism. Disrupting waterways, causing explosions and a whole host of man-made events can obviously cause the earth to react. So, yes... polution, warfare, technology, waste - all these things can cause disruptions - and that includes hurricanes, tornadoes, and even earthquakes. This is why I said earlier... it's not even summer yet.

The Ninth Scribe

Ninth;

Here is the mass of the Earth......5.9742 × 10**24 kilograms. That is really, really big. The Earth is a bit more reslient than you let one. Dozens or hundreds of nuclear weapons were tested, some with yields as large as 100 megatons (5,000 times the size of the Nagasaki bomb), yet there were no showers of earthquakes then. Is the Earth getting weaker in her old age?

 

[snakelegs]

has any country offered aid to china ....

bush promised a lousy $500,000. :-[

 

[Fishman]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Ninth;

Here is the mass of the Earth......5.9742 × 10**24 kilograms. That is really, really big. The Earth is a bit more reslient than you let one. Dozens or hundreds of nuclear weapons were tested, some with yields as large as 100 megatons (5,000 times the size of the Nagasaki bomb), yet there were no showers of earthquakes then. Is the Earth getting weaker in her old age?

Exactly.
http://geology.about.com/cs/eq_hazards/a/aa033102a.htm

 

[barney]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/15/content_8176214.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080513/wl_asia_afp/chinaquakeaidworld

The West has given several millions, Japan and Tiawan likewise.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

As Above, So Below... In All Things Great and Small.

I've been trying to consider things, in a way you could understand. I couldn't really come up with anything, so I'll try for a tiny scale. You keep your veggies and food in a cooler. What would happen if you increased the temperature, say twenty degrees? Wouldn't the veggies and meat spoil? Meat would grow bacteria (nasty) and veggies would spoil too - and what gas do they emit when they do this? That's just twenty degrees and in a mere speck of the world. To get a really good idea of where this is going on a global scale, you might try accessing the regional mortality rates. These records are kept by most ife insurance companies. The records aren't that interesting until you compare them with their archives from 50 years ago.

I don't know why I bother studying such things. Maybe to reassure myself of what I'm really dealing with? Who knows? But studies have always interested me, whether they're from thousands of years ago or current. To me, it's not work to ask questions and search for the answers. It's more like an Easter Egg hunt.

Sorry about yesterday. I was in a really foul mood and I should stay away from this forum when the moon starts to fill out. Well, that and I thought you were being snide. Ha! Maybe we're all more affected by it than we think, lol.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Ninth;

Here is the mass of the Earth......5.9742 × 10**24 kilograms. That is really, really big. The Earth is a bit more reslient than you let one. Dozens or hundreds of nuclear weapons were tested, some with yields as large as 100 megatons (5,000 times the size of the Nagasaki bomb), yet there were no showers of earthquakes then. Is the Earth getting weaker in her old age?

Interesting, but there are no cross references... and that's where corporate America and other world powers gain their momentum in these projects of theirs. So the hole in the ozone just happened all by itself? Are you trying to tell me that cars can kill the atmosphere, but the bombs do absolutely nothing? Wow! Now that's what I call a learning curve, lol.

The earth isn't getting weaker... heavens no... on the other hand, it's getting violent.

The Nnth Scribe

 

[Air Jordan]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Interesting, but there are no cross references... and that's where corporate America and other world powers gain their momentum in these projects of theirs. So the hole in the ozone just happened all by itself? Are you trying to tell me that cars can kill the atmosphere, but the bombs do absolutely nothing? Wow! Now that's what I call a learning curve, lol.

The earth isn't getting weaker... heavens no... on the other hand, it's getting violent.

The Nnth Scribe

I hate rain on you Gaia parade Ninth, but there really is no "ozone hole" either. There is an area of lower concentration of stratospheric ozone over the poles. As it was impossible to measure the atmospheric ozone concentration until high altitude satellites with the appropriate sensors were available, we don't really know what the historic ozone level was over the poles. We do know that seasonal variations and year to year variations are greater than the alleged fall-off in average concentration over the approximate two decades we have been able to measure. We don't even know if CFC's play any significant role in the real atmosphere. It is theoretically possible. Despite this, it is now illegal for an patient with asthma to use an inhaler that has CFC's Next time you see an old man or woman with an oxygen tank, you can be pretty sure the walking superfund site has helped to create the "ozone hole". I usually give them a swift kick in the shins and a good tongue lashing.

 

[north_malaysian]

25 Malaysian Tourists Missing, Families Leaving Chengdu

By Tham Choy Lin

BEIJING, May 14 (Bernama) -- A group of 26 elderly Malaysian tourists has been missing since Monday's devastating earthquake that hit south-western Sichuan province as the death toll rises to nearly 15,000 and thousands reported buried under the rubble of collapsed buildings and landslides.

Several Malaysian families with young children in Chengdu have made plans to go home due to fears of water shortage and repeated aftershocks in the provincial capital.

While the fate of the group is still not known, there have been no reports of Malaysian casualties, said Malaysian Consul-General in Kunming Ayauf Bachi.

The consulate has sought the help of Sichuan local government to trace the Malaysians whose last known stop was in Maoxian, less than 50km from the epicentre of the quake in Wenchuan county.

"The Chinese authorities formed a special team this morning to look for foreign tourists. We are working with them on this," he told Bernama.

He said the consulate was contacted Tuesday evening by Ipoh-based Golden Dragon Tours which had arranged the trip for the group of mostly women, half of whom were elderly.

The Chengdu local agent handling the tour said the agency had alerted tourism and communications authorities in Aba county near Miaoxian after it was unable to contact its tourist guide accompanying the group.

"The last contact we had was around 1.30pm when the tourist guide called to say they were stopping for lunch at the Guibinlou restaurant in Maoxian. After the quake, we called the guide but was unable to get in touch until now," said Zhang Wenxia of Chengdu Overseas Tourist Corporation.

She said the Malaysians with a local driver and tourist guide were travelling in a 39-seat coach from Jiuzhaigou and had stopped in Maoxian for lunch before their next destination, Dujiangyan, which was badly affected by the quake.

Zhang said most of the tourists were elderly people, with one over 90 and several in their seventies or eighties.

Aftershocks were still felt in Chengdu, the provincial capital Wednesday, and many people left their high floor dwellings to sleep in the open or bunk in with friends in apartments closer to the ground.

With the Chengdu Airport reopened on Monday night, large crowds were at the airport to leave the city, according to Malaysians there.

Three Malaysian families would be going home Thursday via Bangkok as there are no direct flights to Malaysia after the Chengdu sector was dropped by Malaysia Airlines (MAS) more than a year ago.

"My wife and three young children are going home tomorrow and two other families will also be departing as a precaution. At work, we have to run out of the building each time there is a tremor," said banker Kenny Lim who is also vice-chairman of the Malaysian Association of Sichuan.

Association chairman David Siow said there were concerns of bottled water shortage because a key supplier was in Dujiangyan, one of the worst-hit by the quake.

"It is turning difficult here, the was another big tremor in the morning. There are cracks on the walls of my condo and I am now sleeping in my second floor office," he said.

Also headed for home are two Malaysians who escaped the calamity in Mianyang. Muhammad Yazli Mohd Rosli and Benjamin Gau who work with the Hrosen Engineering Sdn Bhd in Shah Alam.

They had made a stopover to inspect a project with PetroChina and were in their hotel when the quake struck on Monday afternoon.

"Lucky for us, we were living in a new area where not many buildings collapsed. I was shocked to know Mianyang was so badly hit. Throughout the first night, there were sirens from police cars and ambulances," said Muhammad Yazli, a survey engineer.

In Jiuzhagou on the northern border of Sichuan, Malaysian Yap Sin Fatt, a golf superintendent who is working on a resort project there, had also made plans to fly back to Chengdu on Saturday with a Malaysian couple who had cut short their holiday there.

"We felt an aftershock again just now in the evening. I am in Nanping county of Jiuzhaigou now. We have been outside sleeping in camps and cars for two days," he added.

-- BERNAMA

Source: http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=333014

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

I hate rain on you.

Believe me when I say this ~ You could NEVER rain on me! And you're sadly mistaken if you think I actually care what mankind does to itself. I'm only here for one purpose, to state a matter of record, and that's all I'm obligated to do. Once stated, you can tear the words to shreds (no surprize) and continue with your genocide campaigns - none of that is any of my business. I'm not worried about the Earth... it will definately survive mankind.

The real question is... will mankind survive itself?

The Ninth Scribe

 

[barney]

Quick Question.
When Katrina wiped out new orleans, how much aid did the world give the USA? Should a rich country stand on its own in the face of a disaster?

I heard that China had decided to send another 19 helicopters to the area. That sounds great, but they have over 4000 helicopters. Whats up with using all of them?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Quick Question.
When Katrina wiped out new orleans, how much aid did the world give the USA? Should a rich country stand on its own in the face of a disaster?

I heard that China had decided to send another 19 helicopters to the area. That sounds great, but they have over 4000 helicopters. Whats up with using all of them?

I don't have the answers to any of those questions.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[Air Jordan]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Believe me when I say this ~ You could NEVER rain on me! And you're sadly mistaken if you think I actually care what mankind does to itself. I'm only here for one purpose, to state a matter of record, and that's all I'm obligated to do. Once stated, you can tear the words to shreds (no surprize) and continue with your genocide campaigns - none of that is any of my business. I'm not worried about the Earth... it will definately survive mankind.

Are you the internet embodiment of Gaia herself...reaching out to the LI Islamic forum to warn of us of our foolish ways? Let me be the first to welcome you. Can we get you something? A margarita with rock salt perhaps?

A humble request, however. Could you lighten up a bit on the genocidal claims? That is definitely hitting below the Van Allen belt.

The real question is... will mankind survive itself?

The Ninth Scribe

Hmmm. I'm gonna say yes.

 

[Fishman]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

Are you the internet embodiment of Gaia herself...reaching out to the LI Islamic forum to warn of us of our foolish ways? Let me be the first to welcome you. Can we get you something? A margarita with rock salt perhaps?

A humble request, however. Could you lighten up a bit on the genocidal claims? That is definitely hitting below the Van Allen belt.



Hmmm. I'm gonna say yes.

I like the Gaia theory, but I think its rather naive to take it literally...

 

[truemuslim]

50,000 KILLED...SO FAR!!
(in china)

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

I like the Gaia theory, but I think its rather naive to take it literally...

It wasn't a "Gaia" story. That was an interject from another poster who apparently believes we can pollute the world without any consequence at all. But I do study reports, some of which come to me from very amusing dialogues. For instance, I once joked on a Jewish thread saying: Did something get into the water that made everyone go crazy? And I was answered by a member of the Israeli government who was conducting a study. He said: Funny you should mention that... and went on to explain to me that the Jordon river was testing positive for pregnancy - it was flooded with birth control hormones! I don't know what effect they would have on the males, but it can't be good. Recently, here in America, they're finding other drugs in the water supply too. It's already 115 degrees in Arizona and it's only May. Oh, and we now have physical evidence that the white house has "influenced" an EPA decision:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/19/usa1

Mankind is doing this all by himself. "Gaia" doesn't even have to lift her middle finger.

But whatever.

 

[MTAFFI]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

It wasn't a "Gaia" story. That was an interject from another poster who apparently believes we can pollute the world without any consequence at all. But I do study reports, some of which come to me from very amusing dialogues. For instance, I once joked on a Jewish thread saying: Did something get into the water that made everyone go crazy? And I was answered by a member of the Israeli government who was conducting a study. He said: Funny you should mention that... and went on to explain to me that the Jordon river was testing positive for pregnancy - it was flooded with birth control hormones! I don't know what effect they would have on the males, but it can't be good. Recently, here in America, they're finding other drugs in the water supply too. It's already 115 degrees in Arizona and it's only May. Oh, and we now have physical evidence that the white house has "influenced" an EPA decision:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/story/539579.html

Mankind is doing all by himself. "Gaia" doesn't have to lift a finger.

But whatever.

what about the indisputable fact that the earth consistently cycles through changes in climate? There have been many ice ages and the following is an extremely harsh heated climate... What about the fact that while it may be 115 in Arizona it is much cooler in other areas... such as Charlotte (check it out if you want).. Didn't it snow in Iraq this year?

To be honest I think that man has definitely left a footprint on Earth, and it is possible and probable that we may have sped up some processes or at the least helped them along, but the fact remains that our world doesn't rotate the sun in an exact circle. Sometimes the rotation is elliptical others it is more round, we are coming to a time when we are closing in on the sun a bit more than we used to, that is what is causes temperature rises and perpetuates the cycles that have changed this world since the beginning of time.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Re: Over 8,500 killed, 900 students buried as powerful quake hits China

what about the indisputable fact that the earth consistently cycles through changes in climate?

That's very true MTAFFI, and I have no intention of denying that. I'm just saying we've added another cycle, so we have the natural one and our own to contend with. As if the natural one wasn't bad enough? Personally, I'm not fond of the idea that anti-deppressants and birth control hormones are in the drinking water. But then again, I'm not fond of a lot of things about the Earth, lol.

The Ninth Scribe