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Pakistan sends 30,000 troops for all-out assault on Taliban




Helicopter gunships, aircraft and artillery pound Waziristan mountain stronghold following a series of attacks by militants

More than 30,000 Pakistani soldiers launched a long-expected assault on the Taliban lair of South Waziristan today, following a fortnight of militant attacks that left 175 people dead and underlined the threat to Pakistan's stability.

Early clashes were reported to have claimed more than 20 casualties as government soldiers pressed in on the mountain stronghold from three sides, backed by helicopter gunships, warplanes and artillery. A fifth of the local population has fled in recent weeks.

The operation is Pakistan's largest ever drive against Islamist extremists. The army says that it has deployed the 30,000 troops against an estimated 10,000 Taliban and al-Qaida fighters. The battle zone is the Mehsud tribal territory, whose impoverished villages have a long history of producing formidable tribal fighters. The Pakistan Taliban in the region are now led by Hakimullah Mehsud, the successor of Baitullah Mehsud, who was killed in an American drone strike last August.

A successful operation is vital to Pakistan's stability. Over the last two weeks militants have launched a series of audacious attacks across the country, including the suicide bombing of a United Nations office in Islamabad, three simultaneous attacks on police sites in Lahore and, most brazenly, a 22-hour siege of the army headquarters in Rawalpindi last weekend. Authorities said that most incidents were orchestrated by Waziristan-based commanders.

South Waziristan is also a notorious hub of al-Qaida fighters plotting against the west. "There is a huge presence of foreign militants," army spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said tonight, describing them as Uzbeks, Arabs and north African Muslims. There has been frequent speculation that Osama bin Laden is sheltering in Waziristan, but many experts think it unlikely he would remain in such a heavily contested area.

Thousands of troops and allied tribal militias have sealed off entry points to the south, east and north of the Mehsud stronghold. Anwar Kamal, a tribal leader from neighbouring Lakki Marwat, said he had been asked to provide hundreds of armed villagers to seal off mountain passes leading from the area.

Military sources predicted the fighting would last at least six weeks and would concentrate on the Taliban strongholds of Ladha and Makeen. Some think it may take longer – the treacherous passes of Waziristan, many of which rise to 7,000ft, have frustrated invading armies since the time of Alexander the Great. In the 1930s and 1940s the British army fought a protracted campaign against forces led by a fierce local cleric known as the Faqir of Ipi. The Faqir evaded capture and died of natural causes in 1960.

The Taliban are expected to strike back with ambushes, suicide attacks and roadside explosions. In early fighting today a bomb rocked a convoy passing though Ladha district, killing one soldier and wounding three others, AP reported. Most information could not be corroborated – phone lines were cut to the area for most of today and foreign reporters are forbidden from entering the tribal belt without permission.

South Waziristan is the redoubt of Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). Two weeks ago its leader, Hakimullah Mehsud, vowed to avenge the death of his predecessor, Baitullah, with attacks on Pakistani and US targets. Several of the subsequent attacks were co-ordinated with Punjab-based jihadist groups, highlighting the Taliban's alliances with other extremist groups.

Military, government and opposition political leaders met for a briefing on the operation on Friday in a show of national unity. The army made three failed attempts to negotiate peace deals with militants in Waziristan between 2004 and 2006. This time, it said, it was no longer prepared to talk.

But the army has made tactical compromises that leave western allies uncomfortable. In order to encircle the Mehsud area, it appears to have reached agreements with rival militant groups controlled by Maulvi Nazir in South Waziristan and Qari Gul Bahadur in North Waziristan. Although less famous than the Mehsud-led TTP, they send many Taliban fighters into Afghanistan.

The offensive has triggered a flood of refugees, although the humanitarian crisis is not expected to be as severe as in Swat this summer, when an estimated two million people were displaced across Swat and neighbouring districts. Tariq Hayat Khan, the secretary for law and order in the tribal areas, said that 12,800 families had fled from South Waziristan in the last six weeks, from a population he estimated at 110,000 people.

Provincial authorities said they expected 250,000 people to be displaced by the operation. Many have fled to the town of Dera Ismail Khan at the southern end of North West Frontier Province. Western aid agencies offering relief items, however, are based across the river Indus in Punjab province due to security concerns.

The offensive is backed by the US, which considers Pakistan's tribal areas as a major rear base for Taliban fighters attacking Nato soldiers, even though South Waziristan does not share a border with Afghanistan. According to reports, the Obama administration is racing to send night-vision goggles and other equipment to aid the effort.

Meanwhile the US is continuing with its drone war – the latest strike, on Thursday night, hit a compound controlled by the warlord Jalaluddin Haqqani in North Waziristan.

Rustum Shah Mohmand, a retired diplomat and analyst, predicted the operation would not be prolonged. "The area is too small and the militants are not supported by the people," he said. But, he added, even if it succeeded Pakistan's militant problem would not go away.

"One should be under no illusion that Pakistan will become quiet as a lake. This is not going to happen," he said. "There are entrenched militant groups across the country. And they will continue to attack."


Source(Guardian)[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6359467/Pakistan-fights-mother-of-all-battles-with-the-Taliban.html"](Telegraph)
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I hope they get rid of the disease of unislamic fighters springing up everywhere
 
and westerners say WHERE ARE THE MUSLIMS SPEAKING UP AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS!!!!!!! is this enough for you, or you guys still cant see?
 
and westerners say WHERE ARE THE MUSLIMS SPEAKING UP AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS!!!!!!! is this enough for you, or you guys still cant see?

Totally different issue. This isn't about one group of muslims "speaking up against" another, but a political conflict to gain/retain power in the region, now escalated to military means.
 
Talibans are sunnis,right?
This is not right in my opinion. What are the Taliban doing to Pakistanis?

It is a big complex situation with many groups involved its not just one big taliban group, all we know is that what they're doing is wrong and more importantly unislamic
 
Totally different issue. This isn't about one group of muslims "speaking up against" another, but a political conflict to gain/retain power in the region, now escalated to military means.

so when Muslims do stand up to the 'extremists' it has nothing to do with opposing terrorism but because of political reasons or whatever reasons, sheesh, as they say, ****ed if you do, and ****ed if you dont!
 
It is a big complex situation with many groups involved its not just one big taliban group, all we know is that what they're doing is wrong and more importantly unislamic

So we send this much 30,000 troops. Why haven't they done this to Gaza? I mean, imagine: How do the Talibans feel right now? Having their own brothers and sisters attacking them together with U.S.!!!

They are sunni Muslims, correct?

I cannot believe this.
 
So we send this much 30,000 troops. Why haven't they done this to Gaza? I mean, imagine: How do the Talibans feel right now? Having their own brothers and sisters attacking them together with U.S.!!!

They are sunni Muslims, correct?

I cannot believe this.

:sl: Sister Rasema,

Welcome back to forum since you took vacation, lol.

It is not about Gaza vs Palestine. It is not about Sunni vs Sunni. Taliban have done alot of harm things (suicide bombing, killing civilan, supplied by India and Israel and USA to attack our people), so Pakistan Army came to destroy unIslamic bad people. You know, Soviet Union attacked Afghanistan during 1980s, Pakistan secretly supported Taliban with US to kick out Soviet Union by supplying machines guns, launchers, etc. Then today, it is opposite.

US is helping Pakistan to attack Taliban or terrorists groups but at the same time, US supplied to Taliban by giving bombs, AK-47 gun, money,etc....

Pakistan have already fooled US in double games. To us, US is not reliable ally. The news confirmed that Taliban leaders supplied by US, India and Israel to destablize the nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Hope this is clear. Hopefully, it will wipe out terrorists soon.
 
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So we send this much 30,000 troops. Why haven't they done this to Gaza? I mean, imagine: How do the Talibans feel right now? Having their own brothers and sisters attacking them together with U.S.!!!

They are sunni Muslims, correct?

I cannot believe this.

imagine how the taliban feel? how about imagine how the victims of the taliban feel, the ones who were in the shopping markets who got killed by the taliban bomb attacks, or the ones who happened to be near the area where the taliban decided to carelessly bomb, how about imagining how they feel?
 
imagine how the taliban feel? how about imagine how the victims of the taliban feel, the ones who were in the shopping markets who got killed by the taliban bomb attacks, or the ones who happened to be near the area where the taliban decided to carelessly bomb, how about imagining how they feel?

Yea, according to who?
This is a waste of Pakistani troops. What is the purpose in defeating them?
What will happen to Afganistan then? Will it then be like the many other countries, without Sahria?

Thank you Humbler.
 
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So we send this much 30,000 troops. Why haven't they done this to Gaza? I mean, imagine: How do the Talibans feel right now? Having their own brothers and sisters attacking them together with U.S.!!!

They are sunni Muslims, correct?

I cannot believe this.

I have very mixed feelings about the Taliban. I fear that many of it's members are sincere young men who honestly believe they are following true jihad.

Sadly the history of the Taliban is very distant from Islam. If people remember history, the Taliban were originally formed and supported by the USA for the purpose of keeping Russia out of the region. The Taliban were formed, bought and paid for by the US government and had no intent to serve Allaah(swt).

After the Russians pulled out, the world was suddenly faced with a large number of very well trained and heavily armed guerrilla fighters no longer needed by the USA and essentially deserted by the USA. We now see the result, an Army abandoned and left to their own resources. A very susceptible group for wannabe war-lords, dictators and fanatics to take advantage of.
 
Yea, according to who?
This is a waste of Pakistani troops. What is the purpose in defeating them?
What will happen to Afganistan then? Will it then be like the many other countries, without Sahria?

Thank you Humbler.

Taliban has been practicing what is known as act of Khawarej, that is declaring muslims as kafir for no validity and under twisting of interpretation of verses to basically revolt and lead bloody warfare against the ruler. The prophet -pbuh- warned against such acts many times in authenticated hadith. He told of people who look like muslims and scream words of greatness to God and Quranic verses, and said these words actually don't go lower than their throats, and that their share of Islam is as little as what an arrow gets passing through a sheet. In a specific hadith, he described them as "hearts of demons in bodies of men". He also said that the best of the Ummah would fight those Khawarej, and whomever fights them even if the ruler is bad, is waging valid jihad.

On the ground actions, Taliban has been attacking the population on Pakistani soil and killed policemen, righteous scholars who said what we are saying, and civilians in order to gain control over provinces. They claimed they want to apply Shariah, but they never really do (a twisted version of dictatorship and police-state maybe with beards and sticks)and even if they did, it's never a valid reason to rise againt a muslim ruler, even corrupt one. If they are completely defeated, then Afghanistand and Pakistan both can start rebuilding like proper countries. We hope the same happens in Somalia.

Do not be fooled by khawarej shouts of "Allahu Akbar", they do not apply sunnah and have nothing to do with Islam.
 
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Yea, according to who?
This is a waste of Pakistani troops. What is the purpose in defeating them?
What will happen to Afganistan then? Will it then be like the many other countries, without Sahria?

Thank you Humbler.

unless you distrust all news sources, then according to no one you will trust. furthermore the pakistani taliban are not the afghan taliban, they are 2 different groups, the pakistani army are fighting the pakistani taliban, who have been responsible for several bombings which have killed hundreds of innocent civillians.

go tell the pakistani taliban to stop bombing and attacking pakistani police officers and army people, and the pakistani government wouldnt be fighting against them, unless you also deny that the taliban are NOT attacking the army and police even though they admit they are and have promised more attacks.

so pls stop living in a box and face the reality, the pakistani taliban have alot of Muslim blood on their hands, and your denial wont change that fact, nor will it change the fact that many Pakistanis are sick of them because of their random acts of terrorism that kills many innocent Pakistanis.
 
let me just make this point clear, ladies and gents, the taliban that keeps being mentioned are not the same taliban as the one you see in afghanistan! this is the pakistani taliban, which is mainly made of pakistani tribal members. the pakistani taliban do sometimes take part in attacks in afghanistan, but mainly near the border areas, and just run across the border, the pakistani taliban arent a significant force in afghanistan, and even if they are defeated it wont affect whats happening in afghanistan with the afghani taliban.

infact it will be a good thing for everyone if the pakistani taliban are defeated.
 
I have very mixed feelings about the Taliban. I fear that many of it's members are sincere young men who honestly believe they are following true jihad.

Sadly the history of the Taliban is very distant from Islam. If people remember history, the Taliban were originally formed and supported by the USA for the purpose of keeping Russia out of the region. The Taliban were formed, bought and paid for by the US government and had no intent to serve Allaah(swt).

After the Russians pulled out, the world was suddenly faced with a large number of very well trained and heavily armed guerrilla fighters no longer needed by the USA and essentially deserted by the USA. We now see the result, an Army abandoned and left to their own resources. A very susceptible group for wannabe war-lords, dictators and fanatics to take advantage of.

or MAYBE they were never abandoned
 
Totally different issue. This isn't about one group of muslims "speaking up against" another, but a political conflict to gain/retain power in the region, now escalated to military means.

So, what if I don't object against the Taliban? Does that mean I suppost extrimism? No. There is too much propaganda out there to distinguish between a good guy and a bad guy.

Thanks all. I don't know much about this but I just got upset, normally, anyone would.
"hearts of demons in bodies of men". He also said that the best of the Ummah would fight those Khawarej, and whomever fights them even if the ruler is bad, is waging valid jihad.

Hmm, I've noticed that Pakistanis are knowledgeable. Not that everyone else isn't.
 
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let me just make this point clear, ladies and gents, the taliban that keeps being mentioned are not the same taliban as the one you see in afghanistan! this is the pakistani taliban, which is mainly made of pakistani tribal members. the pakistani taliban do sometimes take part in attacks in afghanistan, but mainly near the border areas, and just run across the border, the pakistani taliban arent a significant force in afghanistan, and even if they are defeated it wont affect whats happening in afghanistan with the afghani taliban.

infact it will be a good thing for everyone if the pakistani taliban are defeated.

:sl: The Prince,

Nope, it is Afghani Taliban, Pakistan protected own pushton taliban in case to attack US or India if all-out war. They didn't attack us because they are REAL Pakistani. You need to know, Russia also involved in Afghanistan to support Taliban fighting against US soldiers. US became uneasy with situations (exactly same situations from 1980s!!!).

For Afghani Taliban, they felt that they were betrayed by Pakistan after supported them during Soviet Union. You may remember, Uncle Sam after 9/11 said, "You are either with us or against us". Pakistan chose to be with US against Afghani Taliban, they became outraged and attacked us. Millions of Afghani refugees was entered into Pakistan and gave them comfortable when US attacked Afghanistan.

You see, India, US, Israel became involved in Afghanistan and supported them to attack Pakistan inside.

If you are saying Pakistan shouldn't choose to be with US at first place, there will be a huge disaster - India and US will be united with Zionist State to destroy Pakistan possible.

Very complicated situation. However, Pakistan is in the right direction, Insha'Allah! Terrorists or outsiders must be wiped off the map of Pakistan.
 
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so when Muslims do stand up to the 'extremists' it has nothing to do with opposing terrorism but because of political reasons or whatever reasons, sheesh, as they say, ****ed if you do, and ****ed if you dont!

What part of "totally different issue" can't you grasp?