Palestinian Holocaust Continues….

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Whatsthepoint said:
And what do you propose the Palestinians should do in the meantime? Bomb and be bombed or try to achieve a relative peace?
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it doesnt matter what i say, what will happen is that the Palis will take the onslaught as they have always done, and will come out of it more determined than before, Israel will never break the resistence. At the same time even while they take the onslaught the Palis will fight and bomb back.

Israel is trying to look all big and bad now for their humiliation back in 2006, too bad everyone knows that for all of Israel's heavy fire power they have lost the plot, and their future looks bleak, their not the big bad boys of the past, what Israel is doing now may have worked a while ago, not any more, strategically Israel is a nobody anymore, and it will get worst for them as time goes by. as we speak Israel is hesitent about stating their goals, and launching a ground offensive, this stuttering is a sign of how times have changed and how Israel has lost the plot.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Most countries have called for an immediate ceasefire.
As long as Hamas is targeting rockets Israel has the right to protect itself. They are targeting Hamas, according to an UN organisation about 70 civilians have been killed so far compared to 280 Hamas militants, that's 1 to 4, quite a good score considering Hamas puts its bases inside civilian areas.
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what only 70 civilians dead considering Israel bombs Hamas bases which is inside civilian areas! i'm sorry but i dont accept that figure! how do we know those '280 Hamas militants' were actually members of Hamas! i doubt all of them were.
Anywas where does the UN get that information from - i wonder if its a Israeli source ^o)
I really dont get the point of having a UN organisation since they say whatever the US wants them to say
 
Ar-RaYYan said:
what only 70 civilians dead considering Israel bombs Hamas bases which is inside civilian areas! i'm sorry but i dont accept that figure! how do we know those '280 Hamas militants' were actually members of Hamas! i doubt all of them were.
Anywas where does the UN get that information from - i wonder if its a Israeli source ^o)
I really dont get the point of having a UN organisation since they say whatever the US wants them to say
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They visited hospitals and morgues and counted the casualties.
 
The_Prince said:
it doesnt matter what i say, what will happen is that the Palis will take the onslaught as they have always done, and will come out of it more determined than before, Israel will never break the resistence. At the same time even while they take the onslaught the Palis will fight and bomb back.

Israel is trying to look all big and bad now for their humiliation back in 2006, too bad everyone knows that for all of Israel's heavy fire power they have lost the plot, and their future looks bleak, their not the big bad boys of the past, what Israel is doing now may have worked a while ago, not any more, strategically Israel is a nobody anymore, and it will get worst for them as time goes by. as we speak Israel is hesitent about stating their goals, and launching a ground offensive, this stuttering is a sign of how times have changed and how Israel has lost the plot.
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Do you think Palis themselves can beat Israel?
 
The_Prince said:
yes i do. the tide will turn. but it wont happen like that, it will be a united effort, not just the Palestinians, :)
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Yeah, Palis wont do it without Arab/Muslim help.
I think its clear the Arab world won't come united against Israel for some time so what I'm asking is whether you think Palis should keep rocketing Israel and risk Israeli retribution or try to make Gaza a better place to live?
 
for starters everyone thinks big sophisticated army means automatic victory, which is not the case. secondly, and most importantly, God is on our side, and he will crush Israel with whatever weapon they have, so indeed, victory will be ours. the small Muslim armies managed to defeat the mighty byzantines and persians, something many would say was impossible considering numbers and strength, but when God is on your side, it doesnt matter, God wll help the Muslims.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Yeah, Palis wont do it without Arab/Muslim help.
I think its clear the Arab world won't come united against Israel for some time so what I'm asking is whether you think Palis should keep rocketing Israel and risk Israeli retribution or try to make Gaza a better place to live?
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well, they stopped firing rockets, nothing happened, things got worst, Israel tightened is blockade, so what more do you want Palestinians to do? they did their part, you guys didnt do your part, continued your aggression. so tell me, how are Palis supposed to improve life in Gaza when all borders are closed, seas are closed, and air is closed?

so i say Palis should go back to firing rockets, its better to suffer while fighting, rather than suffer while doing nothing, as they say, if your going to die, die with honour.
 
The_Prince said:
well, they stopped firing rockets, nothing happened, things got worst, Israel tightened is blockade, so what more do you want Palestinians to do? they did their part, you guys didnt do your part, continued your aggression. so tell me, how are Palis supposed to improve life in Gaza when all borders are closed, seas are closed, and air is closed?

so i say Palis should go back to firing rockets, its better to suffer while fighting, rather than suffer while doing nothing, as they say, if your going to die, die with honour.
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Israel tightened its blockade so Hamas could not recuperate during the truce.
There were times of relative peace and prosperity.
 
Palestinians have DONE EVERYTHING in the correct way, you wanted democratic elections? you got them, but you didnt like the result, so what did u do? shut the goverment out, make a blockade, and starve the people. then at the same time you targetted the goverment, killing them, kidnapping them, destroying their offices and bases. and if thats not bad enough, you then tried to launch a coup against them via fatah!

what more do you want the Palis to do???????
 
The_Prince said:
Palestinians have DONE EVERYTHING in the correct way, you wanted democratic elections? you got them, but you didnt like the result, so what did u do? shut the goverment out, make a blockade, and starve the people. then at the same time you targetted the goverment, killing them, kidnapping them, destroying their offices and bases. and if thats not bad enough, you then tried to launch a coup against them via fatah!

what more do you want the Palis to do???????
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Elect a government whose goal is not the imminent destruction of Israel.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Israel tightened its blockade so Hamas could not recuperate during the truce.
There were times of relative peace and prosperity.
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there was no prosperity on the Palestinian side, this is made up nonsense, the conditions for these people have been getting worst.

and wow, your comment REALLY ANNOYS ME! so you admit that Israel tightend the blockade, YET PART OF THE CEASEFIRE WAS TO LIFT AND EASE IT! so you admit here for everyone that Israel did not abide by the ceasfire, and then you talk about peace???? get real will you! sheesh! so why the hell should the Palestinians stop firing rockets when Israel wont do its part? answer: THEY SHOULDNT STOP.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Elect a government whose goal is not the imminent destruction of Israel.
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so now we should elect people whom you like? Many Israeli goverments have been elected which are against the creation of a Palestinian state, again, when will you end your double standards?

your just a hypocrite, you talk about democracy, you get democracy, now you say ohhhhhhhh well we dont like who you voted for, so we will blockade you, punish you, bomb you, and kill you.

so by your logic osama bin laden will have every right to kill voters of bad US goverments, ok, so next time you are attacked, dont complain, just elect a different goverment. :) im using ur standards.
 
The_Prince said:
so now we should elect people whom you like? Many Israeli goverments have been elected which are against the creation of a Palestinian state, again, when will you end your double standards?
your just a hypocrite, you talk about democracy, you get democracy, now you say ohhhhhhhh well we dont like who you voted for, so we will blockade you, punish you, bomb you, and kill you.
so by your logic osama bin laden will have every right to kill voters of bad US goverments, ok, so next time you are attacked, dont complain, just elect a different goverment. :) im using ur standards.
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I understand, but its the way it is. Palestinians can democratically decide whether they want peace or war. What I'm saying is that in the light of the Arab world not helping them for a long time they should vote for peace.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
Was it?
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yes! Hamas would end firing rockets, and as a result Israel would ease the blockade and hard conditions, so the Palis could make their lives better as suggested. so Hamas did what u said, stop rockets, so they can make their lives better, yet Israel did not allow this, they tightened the blockade, it became so bad most Palis in Gaza went below the poverty line.
 
The_Prince said:
yes! Hamas would end firing rockets, and as a result Israel would ease the blockade and hard conditions, so the Palis could make their lives better as suggested. so Hamas did what u said, stop rockets, so they can make their lives better, yet Israel did not allow this, they tightened the blockade, it became so bad most Palis in Gaza went below the poverty line.
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did Israel officially agree to loosening the blockage?
 
The blockage was tightened in Novemeber, the first rockets hit the south in November as well. Who started it?
 

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