Palestinian Holocaust Continues….

[Cabdullahi]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjthFt6EZg[/media]

 

[Cabdullahi]

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6920


We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?

The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining intolerably deferred liberty.

Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur their wrath?”

And then act to correct the situation.

 

[Cabdullahi]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sjfm6pEw84[/media]

open your eyes!!!

 

[The_Prince]

Greetings,


As long as people keep thinking like this, the conflict will never end. No rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace

offcourse to an atheist as yourself it is strange for you to hear Muslims saying God is on our side, but that is not my problem, nor is that irrational, this is the simple fact. God is on our side, and eventually he will act and the end of Israel will be for all to see.

 

[Najm]

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

ROCKET ATTACKS FROM GAZA
Since the start of Israel's operations in Gaza, Israeli sources say Palestinian militants have fired the following:
27 December 2008: 61 rockets, 33 mortar shells
28 December: 14 rockets, 16 mortar shells
29 December: 57 rockets, 15 mortar shells
30 December: 42 rockets, 6 mortar shells
31 December: 43 rockets, 25 mortar shells
Source: Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, Israel

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7808825.stm

Comment: Really that many??? Wow!! Thats amazing stats, says alot about where the sources comes from.

After all that, they killed 4 people in Israel!! Not that we should be comparing, but was it worth killing 400+ people for the 4 people. And let me tell you, they are all defenceless civilians. When will the international community do something??? <<< they will only help when everyone is killed.

May Allah protect those in Gaza, and raise up the dead as shaheed. Ameen

FiAmaaniAllah

 

[Ishbah]

Brother, as much as I agree with you that we should protest about the injustice to our brothers and sisters in Gaza, boycotting 'Israeli' products could backfire.

I was reading something a few weeks ago, I will try and find an online link and post here, how some Palestinian farmers produce goods which are sold bulk and packed in Israel, these then carry a 'produce of Israel' sticker. Some Palestinians in the West Bank (and I am sure the same is true for Gaza too) work on Israeli owned farms, the goods produced on these farms will be labelled 'Israeli'. Boycotting will take money out of the pockets of those we seek to help. We cannot be sure that a product labelled 'Israeli' has not been farmed/produced by a Palestinian. If we boycott that product, then the Palestinian brother or sister who worked producing it may lose their job and their only source of income. imsad

BOYCOTT ISRAEL

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PRODUCTS STARTING WITH "729" ARE ISRAELI MADE....


VISIT HERE FOR MORE ON BOYCOTT

http://www.amerikaos.com/boycottlinks.html

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

offcourse to an atheist as yourself it is strange for you to hear Muslims saying God is on our side, but that is not my problem, nor is that irrational, this is the simple fact. God is on our side, and eventually he will act and the end of Israel will be for all to see.

Like I say, no rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace

 

[doorster]

That post only shows that jews kick asses. I had no idea that all those things were invented by them.
Second, thing, You are also going to boycott Sudan for murdering 300 000 black muslims in Darfur and displacing over half a millon?

I wonder if any one is using any bit of Microsoft code on their computer or if their computer is using Intel processors?

oh I understand that darfurians have invented a new sport called Hunt the Sufi, to save on islahi dahwa (probably the twits do not even know what it is to be a Muslim let alone be a da'ai)

and these people will learn to ignore Israel too if it ever chose to reach 300000. or may be they could stop giving it excuses by needling it with their pathetic pin prick strikes with useless prehistoric missiles then hiding in sewers and leaving the innocents to bear the brunt of murderous Israeli revenge + punitive attacks until the next time

 

[islamirama]

Brother, as much as I agree with you that we should protest about the injustice to our brothers and sisters in Gaza, boycotting 'Israeli' products could backfire.

I was reading something a few weeks ago, I will try and find an online link and post here, how some Palestinian farmers produce goods which are sold bulk and packed in Israel, these then carry a 'produce of Israel' sticker. Some Palestinians in the West Bank (and I am sure the same is true for Gaza too) work on Israeli owned farms, the goods produced on these farms will be labelled 'Israeli'. Boycotting will take money out of the pockets of those we seek to help. We cannot be sure that a product labelled 'Israeli' has not been farmed/produced by a Palestinian. If we boycott that product, then the Palestinian brother or sister who worked producing it may lose their job and their only source of income. imsad

And I can show you videos of how they leave these farmers on 50 feet high trees from dawn till dusk to pick dates for the zionists. And how these very palestinains, whose livelihood depends on this is asking the world to boycott these zionists and their products. This boycott is our way of putting sanctions on that terrorist regime, superpowers aren't the only ones with power to sanction whoever they want.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6920


We’ve been asked, for instance, what would we do if rockets were being launched on our homes in New York or Texas, from Canada or Mexico?

The proper answer is that, if those two nations had been unlawfully occupied or embargoed by the United States for 60 years of relentless oppression and repression, and if all attempts at peaceful change had been forcefully prevented or scuttled by the U.S., then such attacks would be an understandable, indeed a justifiable attempt at gaining intolerably deferred liberty.

Our appropriate response wouldn’t be to bomb the hell out of the nearest Canadian or Mexican city, but to collectively look into mirrors and earnestly ask ourselves, “What have we done wrong to incur their wrath?”

And then act to correct the situation.

So what is your proposal? Kick the Hebs out? Ask them to leave peacefully?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I wonder if any one is using any bit of Microsoft code on their computer or if their computer is using Intel processors?

oh I understand that darfurians have invented a new sport called Hunt the Sufi, to save on islahi dahwa (probably the twits do not even know what it is to be a Muslim let alone be a da'ai)

and these people will learn to ignore Israel too if it ever chose to reach 300000. or may be they could stop giving it excuses by needling it with their pathetic pin prick strikes with useless prehistoric missiles then hiding in sewers and leaving the innocents to bear the brunt of Israeli revenge + punitive attacks until the next time

You sound like Fishman. Just a thought, a compliment really.

 

[The_Prince]

Greetings,


Like I say, no rational argument could ever convince you to change your mind.

Peace

rationality and atheism dont go hand in hand, infact a rational atheist is an oxymoron. i repeat what i said, God is on our side, whether you like to hear that or not, i care not, your an atheist, and you want Muslim believers as myself to stop mentioning God just because it scares you, and just because you dont believe in it, well thats your problem, not mine, God is real, he exists, and he is watching, and he will eventually act and carry out his wrath against the aggressors, he has promised to do so, and God never breaks his promises.

 

[nocturnal]

rationality and atheism dont go hand in hand, infact a rational atheist is an oxymoron. i repeat what i said, God is on our side, whether you like to hear that or not, i care not, your an atheist, and you want Muslim believers as myself to stop mentioning God just because it scares you, and just because you dont believe in it, well thats your problem, not mine, God is real, he exists, and he is watching, and he will eventually act and carry out his wrath against the aggressors, he has promised to do so, and God never breaks his promises.

But at the same time, God helps those who help themselves. The upheaval against the incompetence of our rulers should emerge from within the Ummah and shouldn't be an extraneous factor. During the time of the prophet (pbuh), all the battles that the Muslims won decisively, such as Badr, were because of preparation and prayer concurrently.

Every major revolution in the world has happened with great energy and rigorous effort having been expended in the effort to attain it. From South Africa to Cuba, history has taught us glaring and trenchant lessons about the result of passivity in this regard. It will only result in abject failure and further apathy towards the struggle of the Ummah.

It is only until we take matters into our own hands, that we will be able to finally unseat the despotic subservient tyrants who rule in our name and are incurring so much shame and ignominy in their failure to stand up and speak out against oppression and persecution.

 

[al-basit]

The only solution to this problem is to establish a Islamic state, with one big Muslim army to protect the Muslims but the Muslim leaders these days are allies with the US and are corrupted, so I don't see this situation getting better any time soon.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Did the US forces or whatever they were called back then, have the right to fight rebellious Indians?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

BOYCOTT ISRAEL

EVERYONE SHOULD BOYCOTT ISRAHELL PRODUCTS AND ANY COMPANY THAT SUPPORTS THEM TO SHOW WE DON’T SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND THEIR TERRORISM OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS NOR COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT AND MASSACRE OF THE MASSES

PRODUCTS STARTING WITH "729" ARE ISRAELI MADE....


VISIT HERE FOR MORE ON BOYCOTT

http://www.amerikaos.com/boycottlinks.html

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html

There are no universities on the list. Do you expect Muslims to boycott those as well.

 

[Qingu]

The only solution to this problem is to establish a Islamic state, with one big Muslim army to protect the Muslims but the Muslim leaders these days are allies with the US and are corrupted, so I don't see this situation getting better any time soon.

As a super-secular atheist, I agree with you. I really hope that Muslims do form a new Caliphate. If people in the middle east and elsewhere want to define their society in terms of Islam, that is their choice, and it should be respected (and it seems to be the case, anyway).

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?

 

[Fishman]

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace. If Muslims form a Caliphate that succeeds in reigning in non-state groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, what exactly would prevent the Caliphate from making peace with Western powers?

Exactly, a Caliphate lead by a rational leader would be a good thing for the west. If the conservatives on both sides had not hated each other so much, and various powers (Britain, Saudi Arabia, possibly others) hadn't tried to keep down any attempts to build a new Caliphate after WWI, there might just have been one.

Unfortunately, rational Muslim leaders that want a Caliphate are hard to find these days. The Caliphate's biggest proponents are currently the HTs and various Islamist groups, all of which are not exactly the peaceful leaders that are needed.

 

[islamirama]

But what is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with the U.S.? Why would it be bad for the Caliphate—once it exists—to be friends with the United States, or even Israel?

Most Americans and Israelis just want peace.

What is wrong with Muslim leaders being cozy with US is what happens in Egypt, yemen, afghanistan and other countriest like that where CIA torture cells are common, where they are engaged in violations of human rights.

Most Americans and israelis may want peace but their gov'ts want blood and oil. Muslim blood from palestinians to afghans to iraq to now eyeballing pakistan. Good luck selling that peace crap to muslim world....

 

[islamirama]

Finkelstein: Israel seeking Arab obeisance

The following is full text interview with lecturer, author and renowned Palestine-Israel scholar Gary Norman Finkelstein in New York.

Press TV: Nearly a week of violence in Gaza. What do you make of the situation there?

Finkelstein: It is hard to make any definite judgments about the military situation. The goals of the Israeli government it seems to me are pretty clear. Number one Israel wants to reestablish what it calls its deterrence capacity. That is a technical term that the Israelis use. It basically means to restore the fear of Israel among the Arab states in the region.

After the defeat inflicted by Hezbollah and the inability of Israel to launch an attack on Iran it was almost inevitable that they would attack Hamas, because Hamas is defying the Israeli will. According to the Israeli papers, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak was planning the attack before the last ceasefire and they were just waiting for a provocation from the Palestinians.

On November 4, the Israelis broke the ceasefire with Hamas knowing full well--and if you review the Israeli papers, they say so knowing full well that when they killed six militants in Gaza the Palestinians would retaliate and then Israel would have the pretext to invade. Therefore, the first goal was to restore the fear of Israel among Arabs by inflicting a bloodbath in Gaza.

Press TV: Israel's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that Israel has affected almost what it called the infrastructure of terrorism presumably meaning Hamas. This while apparently heavy civilian casualties have been incurred inside Gaza. How do you see the imbalance in the loss of life in Gaza? How successful do you think that Israel has been in wiping out Hamas or the resistance if you will?

Finkelstein: Well the purpose was to inflict massive casualties immediately. The Israelis, after their attack on Lebanon in 2006, realized that their error was that they did not unleash the full might of their air force in the first few days. In in the first two days of Lebanon war, they killed about 55 Lebanese and then they targeted the Dahia suburb of Beirut. After the war, they began talking about the Dahia strategy which meant to obliterate anything which went against their rule. And what you saw in the first couple of days in Gaza was the application of the Dahia strategy to commit a bloodbath and slaughter of such huge dimensions that they thought it would deter the Arabs in the future from defying Israeli rule.

Press TV: Speaking of deterrence, Hamas said that it would retaliate. How great a response do you thinK Hamas can give Israel? Could one expect something like the one Israel received from Hezbollah in 2006?

Finkelstein: I think it is impossible to predict those things. But, it is clear that Israel is faced with a dilemma. In the case of Lebanon during the first few days they apparently destroyed (Hezbollah's) long-range and medium-range missiles, but they couldn't destroy the short-range rockets being used against the Israel unless they invaded. They tried to invade, but they couldn't and the rocket attacks continued. And now they have the same problem in Gaza.

In order to end the rocket attacks they have to invade and clear all the areas where the rocket launchers are located one by one. But, if they invade there is the possibility of them being caught in a guerrilla war which they plainly cannot win in Gaza. So they are not sure at this moment how to proceed.

Press TV: Israeli foreign minister (Tzipi LIvni) also says that Israel wants to negotiate peace with what she calls moderate Palestinians. On the other hand, we see Mahmoud Abbas saying that peace talks are meaningless under the current situation wherein Israel is targeting all Palestinians, so where does that leave Israel?

Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear what Israel means by moderate Palestinians. The Hamas leadership in recent years has signaled that it is willing to negotiate a two-state settlement according to the June 1967 border and also the resolution of the refugee question. That means that Hamas has signaled to do what the international community has wanted Israel to do over the past 30 years.

Israel rejects such a two-state settlement because it wants to continue its control of the West Bank. So for Israel a moderate Palestinian means the one who rejects all the terms proposed by the international community, a Palestinian who rejects the position of Hamas. For Israel a moderate Palestinian is a Palestinian who is willing to do whatever Israel wants: is a Palestinian who is willing follow Israeli orders.

Press TV: Observers say that avceasefire is the best Israel can achieve from this. How is the war affecting Israel?

Finkelstein: It is hard to say that whether Israel is in a position for a ceasefire. If Israel accepts the ceasefire I don't think Hamas would accept it if the Gaza blockage continues. It was due to the continuation of the Gaza blockade that Hamas rejected renewal of the truce with Israel. If the blockade is not lifted it is just a slow death for the Palestinians. If Israel agrees to lift this blockade along with a ceasefire then it will in effect have given in to the conditions that it refused last week. So it's really unclear that Israel would propose a ceasefire that Hamas would accept and vice versa.

Press TV: Israel says that its war is with Hamas, but it has prevented the flow of international aid into Gaza and prevented journalists from covering what is going on there. There is a saying Persian if you cannot help then don't prevent help from others.

Finkelstein: Well we have to be clear that Israel's war is not with Hamas but with the international community, including Iran. Israel is defying the international community, including Iran on the two-state settlement.


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