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Deny the obvious!?

You clearly dont know anything about Hamas or al-Qaida or the so called "terrorism". The way you see it, Bin Laden is killing "civilians" but you refuse to go behind the media and find out why it is that he is doing what he is doing.

There are many like K6 that use there hate to ignore that there between two and two thousand sides to this situation.

Give me one that I dont know about. There's two sides of this sittuation and I know both, you on the other hand dont seem to know either of them.

They want there side to keep up the killing till there is victory.
They ignore the fact that 60 years of killing has only destroyed generations.


The way I see it they attacked us, killed us and robbed us. In order to return to our homes we must kill those who harm us and those who prevent us from doing so.

Those same people who died chose to die, they chose to fight back against the zionists, they risked their own lives in order to save the lives of their children, and their children are now risking their own lives in order to return to the lands of where their parents died.

My bet is 60 years from now the killing will still be happening.
 
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Oh dear. Let me see if I understand. The tunnels in the Temple Mount (or whatever Muslims call the place) are there to make the Muslim holy places fall into the earth? :'( Those Israelites...tsk, tsk, tsk....you just cant trust them!

Is there like a red button or something that will take out the last support?



BTW..anyone want to hazzard a guess as to how much grant-in-aid Israel received from the US State Dept. last year? Not loans, not private aid, not discounted tickets to the Washington Monument.
 
FEATURE-Israel excavation work near shrine fans Muslim ire

By Jonathan Saul

JERUSALEM, Jan 29 (Reuters) - Israeli excavations near Jerusalem's most sensitive shrine have sparked fury among Muslims who fear such works endanger its foundations, but officials involved say they will not damage the holy site.

Israeli authorities are involved in a few excavation projects near al-Haram al-Sharif, the site of the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa Mosque where the biblical Jewish Temples once stood. The Western Wall -- Judaism's holiest site -- overlooks the shrine in the Israeli-annexed old city of Jerusalem.

In the past, Israeli work in the area has triggered violent protests. The opening of an archaeological tunnel near al-Haram al-Sharif triggered Palestinian anger in 1996. Sixty-one Arabs and 15 Israeli soldiers were killed in clashes.

On Monday, Palestinian militants who claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in the Israeli resort of Eilat, which killed three people, said it was a response to Israeli attempts to "defile" al-Aqsa mosque.

In the latest work in the area, Israel unveiled earlier this month an archaeological site near the Western Wall where there are plans to build a new heritage centre.

The Waqf, the Islamic Trust which administers al-Haram al-Sharif, says the work has weakened structures in the area.

But Arieh Banner, an official with Israel's Western Wall Heritage Foundation, a government-created body which runs the site, said there was no chance it would cause damage.

"The site is at least 60 metres from the Wall," he said. "Everything is being done and planned with engineers."

Al Aqsa Brigades spokesman Abu Qusai accused Israel of carrying out building work underneath the mosque as well as continued archaeological digging in the area, which could undermine the foundations of the mosque.

"The attack was in response to the continued Israeli aggression and the attempts to defile the al-Aqsa mosque," Abu Qusai said. The militants added the Eilat attack was just the beginning of operations "in defence of al-Aqsa".

Israeli government spokeswoman Miri Eisin said in response: "Palestinian terror organisations never lack a reason to attack innocent civilians wherever they can. This is why we are always on guard against their activities."

Shmuel Rabinowitz, Rabbi of the Western Wall and Jewish holy sites in Israel, said there were no plans to excavate under al-Haram al-Sharif, known to Jews as Temple Mount.

"There is no such plan as this. There has not been any such plan," he told Reuters. "Any work that is being done is far away from the Temple Mount. There is no doubt about that."



SYNAGOGUE AND BRIDGE

Israel captured East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and later annexed it, a step that has not been recognised internationally. Palestinians want the eastern part of the city as the capital of a future state.

In recent days there has growing Muslim anger at reports of a plan by Jews to build a synagogue near to al-Aqsa Mosque.

Last week the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the world's largest Muslim body, warned of "dire consequences" of such a move. But Israeli officials said they were renovating an existing synagogue and had no plans to build a new one.

"We are not speaking about a new synagogue, but the renovation of a synagogue which was established before 1967 and one which is far away from the Temple Mount," Rabinowitz said.

Archaeologists also recently began excavation work on a new plan to build a bridge for visitors to reach al-Haram al-Sharif from the Western Wall, which has also caused controversy.

The bridge, which would touch part of the Western Wall, is intended to replace a temporary wooden one built after a 2004 earthquake damaged the foundations of an existing ramp.

Yuval Baruch, Jerusalem district archaeologist, said initial excavation work was only just beginning and all precautions were being taken to ensure no damage to the area.

Due to its sensitivity, the project is under the coordination of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office.

"Everyone is aware that the Western Wall, the Temple Mount, any construction, any excavations are sensitive issues," said Eisin. "It is being taken care of to avoid events like we had in 1996 with the opening of the tunnel."
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL29208864


all you need to do is google, you might avoid having your foot in your mouth on every post ey?

cheers
 
Thursday, February 08, 2007
Israel Build A Bridge Under Al-Aqsa Mosque - AlJazeera
By: Mohammed Mar'i*

(Ramallah, Occupied Palestine)--

While severe fighting continues between Fatah and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Israel will start constructing a bridge At Al Aqsa Mosque this week.

The director of the cartographic department in the society for Arab Studies, Khalil Toufakji, has warned of an ethnic cleansing operation against some 24,000 Palestinians in the old city of Jerusalem.

Toufakji added that Israel has built "the Jewish neighborhood" in the city, which contains around 70 settlement units.

Speaking in a press conference in Ramallah on Saturday, Toufakji spoke about the holy city, "and the dangers it faces in the shadow of the Israeli government policy of Judaizing the city".

He added that "anyone who is watching the Israeli strategy in the city will find that it has reached a dangerous stage, and is now in the last steps of its demographic Judaization."

Operating on the demographic level, the policy aims to reduce the number of Palestinian citizens in the city, so the Israelis will form a significant majority in the future.

Toufakji drew attention to the tunnels and bridges which Israel is currently constructing. The Israeli authorities are attempting to build a link between the Western wall complex by opening a tunnel from Magharbah Gate. It is understood that this tunnel will be opened on Sunday.

Toufakji declared "there is nothing left of the Magharbah neighborhood… the goal of all these excavations is an attempt to find the temple although there isn't proven sign of its existence in the place."

Toufakji criticized the Palestinian, Arab and Islamic neglect of Jerusalem saying "as all parties are ignoring the issue of Jerusalem… we speak on every occasion about the dangers facing the city but we do nothing".

He also mentioned the change in the Israeli prime minister's convergence plans, stating that "there will be streets for Jews only, and other streets for Palestinians."
 
OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, January 3, 2006 (IslamOnline.net) – The Supreme Islamic Association and Al-Aqsa Association for Construction of the Holy Shrines accused Israel on Tuesday, January 3, of building a Jewish synagogue beneath Al-Aqsa Mosque, warning that the continued Israeli excavations jeopardize the mosque's structure.

"The synagogue has been built right beneath Al-Aqsa Mosque, some 90m from the Dome of the Rock," Raed Salah, the leader of the Islamic Movement inside the Green Line, told a press conference in the holy city, reported Al-Jazeera.

He said the synagogue includes seven rooms tracing the Jewish history.

"One of these rooms features Germany's Nazi rule and the World War II Holocaust."

Salah said that works were in full swing to build another synagogue for women under the mosque.

The conference featured video footages and photos documenting the synagogue as well as the continued Israeli excavations.

Al-Haram Al-Sharif, which includes Al-Aqsa Mosque, represents the heart of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Jews claim that their alleged Haykal (Temple of Solomon) exists underneath Al-Haram Al-Sharif which was the first qiblah (direction Muslims take during prayers).

Al-Haram Al-Sharif's significance has been reinforced by the incident of Al-Israa’ and Al-Mi`raj (the night journey from Makkah to Al-Quds and the ascent to the Heavens by Prophet Muhammad).

"Full Swing"


Sheikh Ekrema (L) urged the Arab and Islamic worlds to intervene to halt Israeli excavations.


Sheikh Ekrema Sabri, the Mufti of Al-Quds and Palestine, echoed a similar warning.

"The Israeli authorities have been exploiting the big gates of the western side of al-Aqsa since 1996 through conducting a series of excavation works which ended with clandestinely erecting a synagogue," he told the same conference.

"Constructing such a synagogue proves that the Israelis did not find any sign for their alleged Haykal, that is why they made up some rooms to vaguely narrate their religious history," Sabri added.

He urged the Arab and Islamic worlds to intervene to halt Israeli excavations under Al-Aqsa.

Salah, meanwhile, warned that Israeli excavations under the holy site were threatening the structure of the mosque.

"A truck driver was assigned to move equipments to the excavation sites and he was shocked to see a huge tunnel under the mosque that can allow a truck to pass through," he said.

He said excavations under the mosque are continuing in full swing to establish the Haykal before 2007, dismissing them as a "black stain" on Israel.

Israeli authorities recently unveiled an underground site that they say strengthens Jewish ties to the compound.

Palestinian and Jordanian archeologists have warned that ongoing Israeli excavations have weakened the foundations of the mosque, cautioning it would not stand a powerful earthquake.

A part of the road leading to one of the mosque’s main gates collapsed in February, 2004 due to the destructive Israeli digging work.

New Intifada

Salah warned that the Israeli aggressions against the Muslim holy site would have grave repercussions.

"You are inviting an uprising against you just to stop your attack on the mosque," he said, addressing himself to the Israeli government.

Al-Aqsa Intifada broke out in September 2000 after a provocative visit by then opposition leader Ariel Sharon to the mosque.

In 1996, eighty people were killed in clashes with the Israeli occupation forces to protest the opening of an Israeli tunnel alongside the compound.

On August 21, 1969, Al-Aqsa was set ablaze, gutting its southern wing –- some 1,500 square meters out of a total of 4,400 -- and destroyed the historical pulpit established by Muslim hero Salahudin Al-Ayyubi.

Palestinians pointed the finger at Jewish extremists and the Israeli government, which claimed that the fire was triggered by a short circuit but later admitted that a man from Australia, who sought refuge in a kibbutz, was found guilty.

The man was set free after receiving psychiatric counseling.

You May Read Also:

Jewish Group Backs Palestinians on Al-Aqsa
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-01/03/article09.shtml
 
all you need to do is google, you might avoid having your foot in your mouth on every post ey?

cheers

Yes, yes, of course. I know there are excavations in the area of the wall of the ancient Temple. I find the notion that it is a plot to make the al Aqsa mosque fall down preposterous.

It can hardly be argued that there are legitimate archeological sites.
 
Yes, yes, of course. I know there are excavations in the area of the wall of the ancient Temple. I find the notion that it is a plot to make the al Aqsa mosque fall down preposterous.

It can hardly be argued that there are legitimate archeological sites.

well it isn't preposterous because that is the VERY SITE they wish to build their temple on.. in fact out of the admittance of the Jewish members on this very forum.. one of them informed me personally how we Muslims will be taking the bricks of Al aqsa one by one... do visit comparative every now and then..

amazingly whenever they dig they only find Islamic repositories and monuments..nothing in that land belongs to them, yet they desperatly want to make it so.. even their wailing wall wasn't built by the prophet Solomon rather Suleiman the Magnificent (a Muslim) some 400 years ago..

How educated is the American public of history of the colonial settler zionist state where they dump their money..

what a hoot!

cheers
 
amazingly whenever they dig they only find Islamic repositories and monuments..nothing in that land belongs to them, yet they desperatly want to make it so.. even their wailing wall wasn't built by the prophet Solomon rather Suleiman the Magnificent (a Muslim) some 400 years ago..
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You are the one denying history now. It has been well-known and accepted by Muslims since the conquest of Jerusalem that the Temple Mount is the ruin of the Jewish Temple. If it wasn't, why was the Dome of the Rock built there?

How educated is the American public of history of the colonial settler zionist state where they dump their money..
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You are the one denying history now. It has been well-known and accepted by Muslims since the conquest of Jerusalem that the Temple Mount is the ruin of the Jewish Temple. If it wasn't, why was the Dome of the Rock built there?


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facinating.. how is a 'ruined temple' proof that their temple exists beneath al Aqsa mosque? and why can't they find it still amidst all their excavation?
try not to get all your info from the zionist colloquium, especially if you haven't actually been keeping up with their digs and/or finds..

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Yes I agree, 60 years from now palestinian freedom fighting will still exist.
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Not if my Empire can help it...:Evil:


Naaah I think I have a pretty good idea of you by now.
Wrong! For all you know, Wilberhum could be a roadrunner. You have not met him at all, you only hear things he says off the internet and you probably over-exaggerate him in your head to make him seem worse than he actually is (most people do this with people they don't like). Wilberhum is actually rather intelligent...
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facinating.. how is a 'ruined temple' proof that their temple exists beneath al Aqsa mosque? and why can't they find it still amidst all their excavation?
You don't have to dig for it, if you are looking for an gigantic thousand-year-old temple somewhere in the city of Jerusalem, where would you think it is? Could it be that massive crumbling temple-like ruin in the centre of the city? Naah, I guess not! :D

try not to get all your info from the zionist colloquium, especially if you haven't actually been keeping up with their digs and/or finds..
I don't get my info from a 'zionist colloquium', I get it from regular history. Denying that the temple mount is the Jewish temple is as bad as saying that Nottingham Castle is in fact an ancient Greek acropolis.
And don't bother accusing me of not keeping up with there 'digs and finds'. I don't see you messing around with a trowel. Or were you keeping up with the results online, using such services as hamas.com!


The Prophet (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven from the 'Farthest Mosque'. It is accepted by most Muslims that the rock on the temple mount under the Dome of the Rock was the rock that he stood on. But the dome of the rock was not there when the Prophet (peace be upon him) ascended. So What would 'the Furthest Mosque' mean other than the Temple's Ruins?

Also, Muslim historians from pre-Israeli times have accepted beyond a doubt that the building is in fact Solomon's Temple. These include Imam Abu 'Abdullah Al-Qurtubi and Abi Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, who quoted a response from the Prophet (peace be upon him). You really have no ground to stand upon...
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You don't have to dig for it, if you are looking for an gigantic thousand-year-old temple somewhere in the city of Jerusalem, where would you think it is? Could it be that massive crumbling temple-like ruin in the centre of the city? Naah, I guess not! :D
I am really not sure what the point is? a temple destoryed like many before it, another one is built, as in a house of God, is it ok in your mind to destory al Aqsa for a ruined/non-existing temple?


I don't get my info from a 'zionist colloquium', I get it from regular history. Denying that the temple mount is the Jewish temple is as bad as saying that Nottingham Castle is in fact an ancient Greek acropolis.
And don't bother accusing me of not keeping up with there 'digs and finds'. I don't see you messing around with a trowel. Or were you keeping up with the results online, using such services as hamas.com!
Again, I fail to see your point.. the detours of this thread were of zionist excavation beneath Al-Aqsa, in an attempt to demolish it so they may build their third temple whether or not their ruins lie there.. in fact they haven't found any of their 'old treasures' beneath it, what they do find are monuments dating back to sala7 adeen alayoubi and such.. further please don't assume where I get my info from.. their so-called 2nd temple if also where they believe Abraham sacrificed his son Issac, if that is 'history' to you, then by all means, I am not sure why you are wasting your time being a Muslim.. we hold different beliefs.. beliefs aren't a substitute for history!


The Prophet (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven from the 'Farthest Mosque'. It is accepted by most Muslims that the rock on the temple mount under the Dome of the Rock was the rock that he stood on. But the dome of the rock was not there when the Prophet (peace be upon him) ascended. So What would 'the Furthest Mosque' mean other than the Temple's Ruins?
Why do you keep injecting that in here? what is your point? that they should go ahead and demolish the mosque and erect their third temple?

Also, Muslim historians from pre-Israeli times have accepted beyond a doubt that the building is in fact Solomon's Temple. These include Imam Abu 'Abdullah Al-Qurtubi and Abi Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, who quoted a response from the Prophet (peace be upon him). You really have no ground to stand upon...
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neither do you, because no matter how you slice it, the current zionist state has nothing to do with the 'original temple' or the original hebrews--

the land of Palestine was "supposedly" promised to the seed of
Abraham. If one researches the Ancient Hebrew laws, the right of decent or
inheritance is based on the eldest son, no matter whom the mother is. If
this is the case, then the land was promised to Ishamel (for he was the
eldest of Abraham's sons) and the Father of Palestinian Arabs. In addition,
modern day Jews from Russia, Poland and most parts of Eastern Europe have NO
genetic link to the ancient Hebrews - they for the most part are decendents
of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the 7th century (this has been
documented by Jewish scholars, not Arabs). The modern day Palestinians can
claim a more direct link to the Hebrew tribes than the founders of modern day
"Israel." What the Western Press purposely avoids mentioning is the fact
that at the start of the 20th century, less than 5% of the land of Palestine
was Jewish. The modern State of Israel was built on lands illegally taken and
assimilated from Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Also, the Hebrews only
ruled the land of Palestine for a combined 411 years - the Muslims have ruled
the land for 1,500 years. In addition, the land of Canaan (Palestine) had a
history long before the Jewish tribes immigrated to the area.

A quote from the jews talmud concerning Jesus...

...'R. Yochanan said (regarding Balaam): In the beginning a prophet, in the end a sorcerer.
Rav Papa said: As people say, "She was the descendant of princes and rulers, she played the harlot with carpenters."'

The inscription on the Islamic Dome of the Rock concerning Jesus...

...'Bless your envoy and your servant Jesus son of Mary and peace upon him on the day of birth and on the day of death and on the day he is raised up again. It is a word of truth in which they doubt. It is not for God to take a son. Glory be to him when he decrees a thing he only says be and it is' Inscription on the Dome of the Rock.
if your claim to fame here, is that they should indeed go ahead and excavate and ruin Al-Aqsa while genociding a few million Muslims, in favor of ruins that never belonged to this zionist state to begin with, given that the inhabitants (palis) were at some point originally Jewish and Christian and eventually Muslim, then by all means..
I am done with this!

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I am really not sure what the point is? a temple destoryed like many before it, another one is built, as in a house of God, is it ok in your mind to destory al Aqsa for a ruined/non-existing temple?
I've heard some Jews believe the temple has to be rebuilt in order for the messiah to come, so I guess it's definitely ok for them..
 
I am really not sure what the point is? a temple destoryed like many before it, another one is built, as in a house of God, is it ok in your mind to destory al Aqsa for a ruined/non-existing temple?



Again, I fail to see your point.. the detours of this thread were of zionist excavation beneath Al-Aqsa, in an attempt to demolish it so they may build their third temple whether or not their ruins lie there.. in fact they haven't found any of their 'old treasures' beneath it, what they do find are monuments dating back to sala7 adeen alayoubi and such.. further please don't assume where I get my info from.. their so-called 2nd temple if also where they believe Abraham sacrificed his son Issac, if that is 'history' to you, then by all means, I am not sure why you are wasting your time being a Muslim.. we hold different beliefs.. beliefs aren't a substitute for history!



Why do you keep injecting that in here? what is your point? that they should go ahead and demolish the mosque and erect their third temple?



neither do you, because no matter how you slice it, the current zionist state has nothing to do with the 'original temple' or the original hebrews--




if your claim to fame here, is that they should indeed go ahead and excavate and ruin Al-Aqsa while genociding a few million Muslims, in favor of ruins that never belonged to this zionist state to begin with, given that the inhabitants (palis) were at some point originally Jewish and Christian and eventually Muslim, then by all means..
I am done with this!

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At what point did I say we should destroy al-Aqsa. You are poisoning my words!

I merely stated the obvious fact that the Jewish Temple is under al-Aqsa. Jews aren't actually allowed by their religion to go up there anyway, they have to burn some kind of animal and rub the ashes on themselves to be pure or something, so there is no reason to re-build one. And the temple mount is holy to Muslims for the same reason as it is holy to Jews. The al-Aqsa Masjid was intended by Suleiman I as a rebuilt temple.

And it is clear from the rest of your post that you did not understand, or did not want to understand, anything that I was saying. I give up with you too. Shame on you. :(
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At what point did I say we should destroy al-Aqsa. You are poisoning my words!

I merely stated the obvious fact that the Jewish Temple is under al-Aqsa. Jews aren't actually allowed by their religion to go up there anyway, they have to burn some kind of animal and rub the ashes on themselves to be pure or something, so there is no reason to re-build one. And the temple mount is holy to Muslims for the same reason as it is holy to Jews. The al-Aqsa Masjid was intended by Suleiman I as a rebuilt temple.

And it is clear from the rest of your post that you did not understand, or did not want to understand, anything that I was saying. I give up with you too. Shame on you. :(
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I am sorry I didn't mean to upset you, as angry as I was with your posts, I actually feel bad I upset a Muslim..

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The way I see it, this just gives Hamas the justification of bombing Israel even harder.
Thanks for reminding me. I would like to thank all the hopped up Israeli killers who, after Palestinians launch katusha rockets and killing an Israeli shrub, hit a palestinian wedding reception or picnic on the beach killing a "senior bomb maker" and oh by the way 20-30 innocent civilians. Thus giving the morons who are the vanguard of the Palestinian resistance the justification to kill more Israeli shrubs (and possibly, though not likely, an Ecudorian volunteer or elderly Israeli grandmother). You showed em.

You are by far really good at what you do. Thank you so much.
 
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