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I noticed the cryptos have left you to respond - makes sense since they lose all credibility in all future posts if they disagree with Islam after playing the indignant Muslim....

I am not French. I have no control over what France does. I can tell you that I voted in the recent Canadian election that ousted Stephen Harper, who was a hawk and who pushed for Canadian troops in Syria. The new Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau had vowed to remove and keep Canada out of these international conflicts. I am proud to have helped him into power. That said, I do not know what he will do now that the Paris attack happened. He may now see the need to get involved. I also took part in the protests against Bush's wars, and helped push Canada of that conflict , though Canada was engaged in Kandahar.

....The Prophet pbuh - where he could- was usually lenient towards those who worked towards peace and did them good turns, even freeing them without ransom and giving them a few gifts on occaision.

Of course none of that matters to you does it? Because I am Canadian you hold me responsible for everything the Canadian government has ever done and will ever do, just as responsible as those making the decisions or voting in the hawks. You work on a group tribal level, yes? If I were French and did everything I could to stop French involvement in Syria, you'd cheer for my death... simply because I was French, yes? That is as irrational as it is barbaric.

Please don't try and conjure a false image of what matters to me and what doesn't when my posts are more than just blunt, it's not like i'm the type of person who goes head over heels to hide his obvious feelings when i feel passionately regarding a subject, there's no need to discredit yourself by adding false images that don't fit.
If you work hate injustice and actively work towards rather than against justice, personally i'd prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, unless i was required to prevent the injustice of the canadian government by having to repay via equal retaliation and i was unable to discriminate.
I don't see how advocating the brotherhood according to way of life can be equated with tribalism instead of nationalism / racism which fit the bill.

I do not scorn you because you are Muslim. I do not judge you based on that and that alone. If you are supporting Isis and wish to harm me however, then for that reason and that alone I would fight you. Other Muslims in this thread I would side with against you, and against any of my fellow Canadians who would think along the same lines as you and seek to harm them. That is what rational people with a sense of empathy and morality do.

I would've thought that implying that i worship something akin to a flying spagetti monster was a little more than scornful, but hey, we all grow up and i hope you'll repent and live with justice before the wrath comes, then you'll meet your creator as a successful individual who made it in the nick of time.
I support God and anyone who submits to and supports Him, i use His plumbline to check and not the many of the lamestream media which keep blowing in the wind, so i'm unaffected when they falsely accuse people who support God with every manufactured stereotype and slander, i wonder what God says and what He thinks of me so i don't fall prey to the "oh i don't want to be associated with those daily reviled fake baddies so please like me" complex.
ISIS didn't exist when we first conversed pygo yet your governments have been committing crimes against us for decades, so please stop using new strawmen and boogeymen as a justification for crimes.

This is doubly irrational. Do you realize that not only are not all French people supportive of the actions of the French government that you scorn, but many French people ARE Muslim, do regular prayer, etc? Do they also deserve to be killed because of where they live? In your warped number system, where you demand equal numbers to die on both "sides"... how do you count these French Muslims? Do you count them in the "us" column or the "them" column?


As i said, i'd be lenient where i could, but when equal retaliation is required to check injustice against millions of genuine Muslims, the stuart littles in France have less priority, most people in the west have the resources to migrate so there's less excuse for them than those who suffer humiliation and war in the poorer countries and are forced to live as majorities under western kafir installed puppet despots, anyway, the responsibility of a Muslim leader extends towards Muslims of the Islamic State primarily.
For more information read up on how the Prophet pbuh responded when he was informed that a few Muslims living in the kafir land had been accidentally killed during a battle

The last I checked, non-muslims were not moving in droves to muslim majority lands. From what I have seen it tends to be the other way around. Are you proposing to stop such Muslims, such as the Syrian refugees, from leaving Muslim lands? Do you propose to build a giant wall to keep them in? I think you could get a lot of western people to support you in your mission to keep Muslims out of the west, especially after attacks like the one in Paris. Do you see the western islamophobes as natural allies?

I prefer that everyone on the planet repents and we all live happily ever after and then we all go to paradise with smiles,
However if that's not possible, my above post has more details.
If after that migration and separation has been peacefully achieved, those who prefer to live amongst kuffar as abused and reviled people like the man of Surah al A'raaf, that is their choice - my responsibility is to those who prefer to live under the rule of Allah despite hardships.


Finally, why do you post a video of Malcolm X? Wasn't he American? Doesn't that mean you would like to see him dead? Your position seems to contradict itself in many ways.
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He was a respected Muslim brother of mine, and he worked continually to elevate the situation of the oppressed, you maybe forget that i was born and brought up in the U.K and was abused and harassed even when advocating for peace and protesting against bush and blair's unlawful murderous wars (fundamentalist was the word if i recall correctly when i was handing out "investigate 9/11" leaflets despite my calling for total non-violence and even condemning the 7/7 bombers - until enough research was made and that too was proven to be an undeniable false flag).
Thing is, those who have tried hard and yet been on the receiving end of colonialist kafir terror and have been framed, experienced blatant kangaroo trials, abusive police and have beem imprisoned a few times see a totally different world than that which those who focus on daily bread and cars and only experience the smiling policemen and co-workers see.
He was in America because his forefathers had been taken as slaves there, he had every reason to fight there.
My father moved to the uk from bangladesh and worked as a factory labourer at lucas, he experienced his share of racism since our house was near the football field, do some reaearch and you'll see that bengal was one of the richest places on the planet until the east india conpany moved in, since then we've never seen a break in corruption and external meddling until it was reduced to a poverty stricken discarded plaything of the british empire. I wasn't the type to rejoice in claiming benefits either despite social workers coming and telling me that my children had a right, rather i had every right to rob them blind at gunpoint like the east india had robbed my ancestors blind until they were amongst those considered lucky enough to go and work as labourers in britain.
I had the decency to move out, yet the british government didn't have the decency to stop harrassing me even after i went and demanded such at the local british embassy and it hasn't appeared to have broken it's alliance with the U.S despite the crimes the u.s government has commited against Muslims.
Allah is the best of judges, you have only yourselves to blame.
I hope you can understand how my thinking has matured over the years.
 
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:bism:

Hi! Welcome. I'm new like you - hehe - so, we're in the same boat!

Hope you find your stay informative and awesome!

Thank you for your question.

I apologize. I'm not a full member and so I cannot post links, which might have been better as you'd then be able to go read the explanation yourself. So, I'll answer in the brief.

That's not what the ayat (verse) says.

Islam forbids any kind of blanket killing on any whim or self-interpretation of corruption. In Islam, capital punishment, however, exists to be exercised under leadership of an elected leader called Khalifa (equivalent of, for example, presidents or prime ministers) within a Muslim nation-state for people who might undertake actions that constitute interruption to public peace and safety (e.g. terrorists), banditry, and other types of crimes that break down the social or legal fabric of society, or constitute civil disorder.

No, Islam does not permit killing of non-Muslim as you've described because that would be injustice and oppression; and Islam forbids both.



Cheers!

I want to ask a question regarding the Sura 5:32 quote at the begining of the post....My question is the meaning of the word "corruption"...Does it means that killing is ok when "corruption" is found in the "land"? Becouse if thats that case, then, to what standart "corruption" judge upon? The Koran? The Hadith? If thats that case.....all non-Muslams should die rigth....they are all corrupted in the light of the Hadith and the Koran? Can some one adress my question please? Thank you! Shalon!
 
Many Muslims are still do not perform regular salah, still do not fasting in Ramadan, still do not pay zakat, still live not under values of Islam. If you want to do da'wah, do your da'wah toward Muslims like this.

There's no compulsion to accept Islam. If you want to tell the messages to non-Muslims, do it in good manner. Let them decide. If they decide to accept Islam, guide them. If they decide to not accept Islam, still respect them. The only thing that make someone accept Islam is hidayah that given by Allah, not given by you.

Now is the time for us, Muslims, to introspect ourselves. What make Muslims be hated?

Talk to the hand mate, what make Muslims be hated is the lack of dignity and the eager willingness to prostrate to oppression rather than to God, the willingness to condemn Muslims for tiny acts in comparison to the magnitude of crimes committed against them on a regular basis. The willingness to roll out the tongue and pant every time the banker and weapons industry controlled lamestream media mouthpeaces threaten to call you extreme or radical.
That's what give Muslims a bad image.
Khiziun fi addunya wa khizyun fil aakhirah.

O Moses, we were harmed before you came to us and after you came to us.....
 
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:bism::sl:, Abz as to post #184:

You seem to be saying that Muslims here are not responding to you because presumably in your eyes they have no leg on which to stand when it is exactly the opposite, that is, the doctrine/ideology you're espousing is antithetical to Islam and is the dodgy extremist justification that has continued to meet with scholarly opposition and global Muslim scorn to no avail. In the end, I think people simply get tired of going round in circles and circles without getting anywhere; that's where this seems to be heading.

Also, I'm not surprised that you think Muslims in the West, if they happen to die as a result of extremist actions, have no one to blame but themselves. It must be nice, you know, to be able to think in black and white. Unfortunately, for the rest of us, we live in a more gray world.

I don't think we're going to convince you; and I don't think you're going to convince us. If you're okay with supporting/espousing extremist ideology, then that's up to you. In the end, like you, I don't seek to please people but Allah SWT; and I'm content in the certainty and knowledge that Islam doesn't support extremism or terrorism.

Peace.

I noticed the cryptos have left you to respond - makes sense since they lose all credibility in all future posts if they disagree with Islam after playing the indignant Muslim....



....The Prophet pbuh - where he could- was usually lenient towards those who worked towards peace and did them good turns, even freeing them without ransom and giving them a few gifts on occaision.



Please don't try and conjure a false image of what matters to me and what doesn't when my posts are more than just blunt, it's not like i'm the type of person who goes head over heels to hide his obvious feelings when i feel passionately regarding a subject, there's no need to discredit yourself by adding false images that don't fit.
If you work hate injustice and actively work towards rather than against justice, personally i'd prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, unless i was required to prevent the injustice of the canadian government by having to repay via equal retaliation and i was unable to discriminate.
I don't see how advocating the brotherhood according to way of life can be equated with tribalism instead of nationalism / racism which fit the bill.



I would've thought that implying that i worship something akin to a flying spagetti monster was a little more than scornful, but hey, we all grow up and i hope you'll repent and live with justice before the wrath comes, then you'll meet your creator as a successful individual who made it in the nick of time.
I support God and anyone who submits to and supports Him, i use His plumbline to check and not the many of the lamestream media which keep blowing in the wind, so i'm unaffected when they falsely accuse people who support God with every manufactured stereotype and slander, i wonder what God says and what He thinks of me so i don't fall prey to the "oh i don't want to be associated with those daily reviled fake baddies so please like me" complex.
ISIS didn't exist when we first conversed pygo yet your governments have been committing crimes against us for decades, so please stop using new strawmen and boogeymen as a justification for crimes.




As i said, i'd be lenient where i could, but when equal retaliation is required to check injustice against millions of genuine Muslims, the stuart littles in France have less priority, most people in the west have the resources to migrate so there's less excuse for them than those who suffer humiliation and war in the poorer countries and are forced to live as majorities under western kafir installed puppet despots, anyway, the responsibility of a Muslim leader extends towards Muslims of the Islamic State primarily.
For more information read up on how the Prophet pbuh responded when he was informed that a few Muslims living in the kafir land had been accidentally killed during a battle



I prefer that everyone on the planet repents and we all live happily ever after and then we all go to paradise with smiles,
However if that's not possible, my above post has more details.
If after that migration and separation has been peacefully achieved, those who prefer to live amongst kuffar as abused and reviled people like the man of Surah al A'raaf, that is their choice - my responsibility is to those who prefer to live under the rule of Allah despite hardships.

He was a respected Muslim brother of mine, and he worked continually to elevate the situation of the oppressed, you maybe forget that i was born and brought up in the U.K and was abused and harassed even when advocating for peace and protesting against bush and blair's unlawful murderous wars (fundamentalist was the word if i recall correctly when i was handing out "investigate 9/11" leaflets despite my calling for total non-violence and even condemning the 7/7 bombers - until enough research was made and that too was proven to be an undeniable false flag).
Thing is, those who have tried hard and yet been on the receiving end of colonialist kafir terror and have been framed, experienced blatant kangaroo trials, abusive police and have beem imprisoned a few times see a totally different world than that which those who focus on daily bread and cars and only experience the smiling policemen and co-workers see.
He was in America because his forefathers had been taken as slaves there, he had every reason to fight there.
My father moved to the uk from bangladesh and worked as a factory labourer at lucas, he experienced his share of racism since our house was near the football field, do some reaearch and you'll see that bengal was one of the richest places on the planet until the east india conpany moved in, since then we've never seen a break in corruption and external meddling until it was reduced to a poverty stricken discarded plaything of the british empire. I wasn't the type to rejoice in claiming benefits either despite social workers coming and telling me that my children had a right, rather i had every right to rob them blind at gunpoint like the east india had robbed my ancestors blind until they were amongst those considered lucky enough to go and work as labourers in britain.
I had the decency to move out, yet the british government didn't have the decency to stop harrassing me even after i went and demanded such at the local british embassy and it hasn't appeared to have broken it's alliance with the U.S despite the crimes the u.s government has commited against Muslims.
Allah is the best of judges, you have only yourselves to blame.
I hope you can understand how my thinking has matured over the years.[/QUOTE]
 
:bism:

Hi! Welcome. I'm new like you - hehe - so, we're in the same boat!

Hope you find your stay informative and awesome!

Thank you for your question.

I apologize. I'm not a full member and so I cannot post links, which might have been better as you'd then be able to go read the explanation yourself. So, I'll answer in the brief.

That's not what the ayat (verse) says.

Islam forbids any kind of blanket killing on any whim or self-interpretation of corruption. In Islam, capital punishment, however, exists to be exercised under leadership of an elected leader called Khalifa (equivalent of, for example, presidents or prime ministers) within a Muslim nation-state for people who might undertake actions that constitute interruption to public peace and safety (e.g. terrorists), banditry, and other types of crimes that break down the social or legal fabric of society, or constitute civil disorder.

No, Islam does not permit killing of non-Muslim as you've described because that would be injustice and oppression; and Islam forbids both.



Cheers!
I think you adressed my question...So, in a "muslam nation", with a muslam president the interpretation could be as I stated then...It would depend on the president being extremist or not....so its not a mater of personal belief and relationship with God and His word, but istead, will always depend on the changing and unprectible human mind....Very complicade! God Bless! Thank you
 
:bism::sl:, Abz as to post #184:

You seem to be saying that Muslims here are not responding to you because presumably in your eyes they have no leg on which to stand when it is exactly the opposite, that is, the doctrine/ideology you're espousing is antithetical to Islam and is the dodgy extremist justification that has continued to meet with scholarly opposition and global Muslim scorn to no avail. In the end, I think people simply get tired of going round in circles and circles without getting anywhere; that's where this seems to be heading.

Also, I'm not surprised that you think Muslims in the West, if they happen to die as a result of extremist actions, have no one to blame but themselves. It must be nice, you know, to be able to think in black and white. Unfortunately, for the rest of us, we live in a more gray world.

I don't think we're going to convince you; and I don't think you're going to convince us. If you're okay with supporting/espousing extremist ideology, then that's up to you. In the end, like you, I don't seek to please people but Allah SWT; and I'm content in the certainty and knowledge that Islam doesn't support extremism or terrorism.

Peace.

That's the thing, you think it"s gray, but it's very gay and pleasing to you.

Act as you will and let Allah be your judge, my own affair i commit to Allah, and Allah is ever seeing of His slaves.
 
Okkkkkay. No. That's not what I said, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll. Sorry, please reread.

I think you adressed my question...So, in a "muslam nation", with a muslam president the interpretation could be as I stated then...It would depend on the president being extremist or not....so its not a mater of personal belief and relationship with God and His word, but istead, will always depend on the changing and unprectible human mind....Very complicade! God Bless! Thank you
 
Also, the Quran and ahadith comprises the bulk of shariah, which is what governs. So, then, yes, there's a presumed relationship always between God and His Word. And that doesn't change.

Okkkkkay. No. That's not what I said, and I sincerely hope you're not a troll. Sorry, please reread.
 
Also, the Quran and ahadith comprises the bulk of shariah, which is what governs. So, then, yes, there's a presumed relationship always between God and His Word. And that doesn't change.
I am not trying to be a troll at all brother....

Everything I said, was in relation to Sura 5:32 + your answer....and more specific regarding the part where kiling is allowed when there is "curruption in the land"....

I am very thankfull for your answer and for the time you are taking in answering me...

I read the Koran in English...but none of the Hadith...

What would be "corruption in the land" according to the Hadith?

Not following Islam would be consider corruption for exemple?

Thank you and God bless!
 
I am not trying to be a troll at all brother....

Pretty sure she meant Abz, and his sudden out of nowhere restating "gray" as "gay".... in what I can only guess is some sort of weird jab at homosexuals, none of which are in this thread as far as I know. When I first encountered Abz he was calling for the hunting down and murdering of homosexuals... so it would be in character for him. I certainly don't think anybody here has thought anything you yourself have said as being a troll. Not even me, and I'm the token non-muslim.
 
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I noticed the cryptos have left you to respond - makes sense since they lose all credibility in all future posts if they disagree with Islam after playing the indignant Muslim....

No the world does not revolve around you or this forum - I dont need you or any other humans "credibility" for future posts - Furthermore disagreeing with you does not in no way mean anybody disagrees with Islam - It only means that one disagrees with anwar al wakis philsophy and his followers, which of course you are one. Dont substitute your own subjective reading on Islam for Islam. Humility goes a long way.


He was a respected Muslim brother of mine, and he worked continually to elevate the situation of the oppressed, you maybe forget that i was born and brought up in the U.K and was abused and harassed even when advocating for peace and protesting against bush and blair's unlawful murderous wars (fundamentalist was the word if i recall correctly when i was handing out "investigate 9/11" leaflets despite my calling for total non-violence and even condemning the 7/7 bombers - until enough research was made and that too was proven to be an undeniable false flag).
Thing is, those who have tried hard and yet been on the receiving end of colonialist kafir terror and have been framed, experienced blatant kangaroo trials, abusive police and have beem imprisoned a few times see a totally different world than that which those who focus on daily bread and cars and only experience the smiling policemen and co-workers see.
He was in America because his forefathers had been taken as slaves there, he had every reason to fight there.
My father moved to the uk from bangladesh and worked as a factory labourer at lucas, he experienced his share of racism since our house was near the football field, do some reaearch and you'll see that bengal was one of the richest places on the planet until the east india conpany moved in, since then we've never seen a break in corruption and external meddling until it was reduced to a poverty stricken discarded plaything of the british empire. I wasn't the type to rejoice in claiming benefits either despite social workers coming and telling me that my children had a right, rather i had every right to rob them blind at gunpoint like the east india had robbed my ancestors blind until they were amongst those considered lucky enough to go and work as labourers in britain.
I had the decency to move out, yet the british government didn't have the decency to stop harrassing me even after i went and demanded such at the local british embassy and it hasn't appeared to have broken it's alliance with the U.S despite the crimes the u.s government has commited against Muslims.
Allah is the best of judges, you have only yourselves to blame.
I hope you can understand how my thinking has matured over the years.

No you don't have a right to rob people at gunpoint just because your ancestors (like mine) had been through colonialism because two wrongs don't make a right. You say your from Bangladesh no that was called east Pakistan - which you conveniently miss out because it breaks your us(muslims) vs Kuffar narrative.

Its your oddball opinions like this that make feel that I'm wasting my time even talking to you.
 
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Okay, then. I'll take your word for it; I apologize if I misunderstood.

Well, the Quran is understood in light of ahadith, and the ahadith would explain corruption in the way I've already explained above.

No, not following Islam would not fall under the definition of corruption.

I am not trying to be a troll at all brother....

Everything I said, was in relation to Sura 5:32 + your answer....and more specific regarding the part where kiling is allowed when there is "curruption in the land"....

I am very thankfull for your answer and for the time you are taking in answering me...

I read the Koran in English...but none of the Hadith...

What would be "corruption in the land" according to the Hadith?

Not following Islam would be consider corruption for exemple?

Thank you and God bless!
 
No the world does not revolve around you or this forum - I dont need you or any other humans "credibility" for future posts - Furthermore disagreeing with you does not in no way mean anybody disagrees with Islam - It only means that one disagrees with anwar al wakis philsophy and his followers, which ofcourse you are one. Dont substitute your own subjective reading on Islam for Islam. Humity goes a long way.

The drastic difference between Abz and the other Muslims here in what they say in this thread really underscores the recent confusion, especially amongst western non-muslims about what to think about Islam.

Abz's mentality plays directly into those who talk about "muslim extremists", as if being more muslim means being more violent and hateful. This is the drum that islamophobes beat when going off to do the very atrocities Abz complains about. You can see this on Fox News and the like.

Sister herb's, ardianto's and your mentality plays into a much more nuanced view, and one in which we non-muslims in the west can work to support and defend you and bring an end to such atrocity.

The irony is that if Abz truly cares about the many Muslims suffering around the world due to western aggression and that is his motivation, then he really does become his own worst enemy.
 
The drastic difference between Abz and the other Muslims here in what they say in this thread really underscores the recent confusion, especially amongst western non-muslims about what to think about Islam.

Abz's mentality plays directly into those who talk about "muslim extremists", as if being more muslim means being more violent and hateful. This is the drum that islamophobes beat when going off to do the very atrocities Abz complains about. You can see this on Fox News and the like.

Sister herb's, ardianto's and your mentality plays into a much more nuanced view, and one in which we non-muslims in the west can work to support and defend you and bring an end to such atrocity.

The irony is that if Abz truly cares about the many Muslims suffering around the world due to western aggression and that is his motivation, then he really does become his own worst enemy.

Most people on the planet have nuanced views - everyone has there oddballs and people with tribal views - its only when oddballs get power when there is real danger.
 
Okay, then. I'll take your word for it; I apologize if I misunderstood.

Well, the Quran is understood in light of ahadith, and the ahadith would explain corruption in the way I've already explained above.

No, not following Islam would not fall under the definition of corruption.
Well as I said before, thank you for the time to answer me..

I believe as a very good and fruitfull discussion

I believe that in order to remove this violence stigma, Muslam will have to do a massivily public demostration of their unit against such...not just a some clerics or a few brave jordanians figthers....

We have a popular say where I come from.....if you remain silente before something ugly you become part of it....

"For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

GOD BLESS!
 
Abz sometime may seem like supporting extremists but his agenda is quite deeper if you'll read deeper between lines, especially about measuring tapes.

Life is very complicated, kind of giant equation, there are many evils confronting each other.
One person is simply unable to observe everything and the best can do is to do the best on his own way, instead of making the equation even more complicated. To do good deeds, to abstain doing evil deeds, to fight evil only when it's obvious, not just being inspired by some conspiracy theories.
 
My brothers and sisters

I just wanna say one thing paris attacks are a treggedy and a terrorist attacks we feel for the people who lost their lifes and their families may allah grant you peace.

Now the point is when ever you mention RIP paris or Prayforparis kind of things please include our brothers and sisters in syria, palastine ...etc

Paris terrorist attack is a tregedy theres no arguing about that

But please think about our brothers and sisters when they are attacked we dont see people making videos #notinmyname only a few of ulamas and ppl try to gather awareness

But when non muslims in paris are attacked east to west we say #prayforparis

Please dont change your profile pics to a france flag if you did what about the syrian muslims palastinian muslims ..... U might have to change it every minute france 120+ doesnt come close to what we have lost 100k+ or more [emoji25]
 
Amongst those who lost their lives in the Paris attacks were these Muslims:

Mohamed Amine Benmbarek
Kheireddine Sahbi
Djamila Houd Saadi
Halima Saadi
Asta Diakité

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon.
 
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Stock prices of weapons manufacturers and defence firms have soared after markets re-opened on Monday following the Paris attacks on Friday.

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