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Greed, most likely. The reason they withdrew after the first day of battle, despite still being in fighting condition, was not to risk the booty they had gathered from looting castles throughout Aquitaine. If they had actually been fanatics bent on righteous conquest, the battle might well have gone differently.
Greed could have been the reason for the batle as you said....but they probaly withdrew becouse the death of their Commender...

I dont have numbers....but I just wonder how big was the Muslam faith back then.....and to what porcentage of the greed faithfull joint this greed campain....

God bless!
 
Saudi and Quatar don't take in immigrants, only poorly paid and exploited guest workers.

If they could, you'd have to ask them why not. Most French Muslims are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. France is their home, they have never known any other. Some people do develop an attachment to their homeland, a fact that numerous ethnic conflicts around the world stand testament to. Again, you'd have to ask them, I have never been part of a marginalized minority. I've been loaded with privilege all my life.
 
Greed could have been the reason for the batle as you said....but they probaly withdrew becouse the death of their Commender...

I dont have numbers....but I just wonder how big was the Muslam faith back then.....and to what porcentage of the greed faithfull joint this greed campain....

God bless!

This is the Early Middle Ages, an age of scant textual documentation. Medieval Islamic civilization was just beginning to develop a scholarly tradition by this time. There's simply no way to reliably even estimate the total Muslim population of the world, or of the Umayyad Caliphate, at this time. The only thing that can be discerned is that non-Arab converts had significantly outnumbered the small pre-conquest Muslim population of the Arabian Peninsula. And that's just because otherwise the Abbasid rebellion could not have happened.

The last part of your question, I have no idea what that even means.
 
The Rarely Spoken Truth:


Gotta admit, this guy has told it like it is. Absolutely brilliant.

Scimi

This guy mentioned some points that i would never have expected before the 9/11, wmd and subsequent fiascos.
It appears that all the lies, manipulations and abuses, rather than make people dumbed down, have actually worked as immunizations and given rise to a sceptical, critical and thoughtful public.
I don't see how this deep inner awakening could have ever otherwise happened.
Thanks for the link scimi.
 
That feeling, when the guns exploding in the hands of murderers!

It's going to be like a chain reaction, the wave of scandals, repelling responsibility...
 
So... soccer match in Germany... cancelled due to possible bomb threat. Will this mean even more dead innocent Muslims? Will this lead Germany to join France in attacks?
 
I think this is a golden age to all lunatics, real groups or just some insane individuals to make also fake bombs and false bomb alarms. Officials have to check them all and they will get a lot of attention and publicity.

:hmm:
 
I think the more sensitive outrage of Paris is due to the caracteristics of French society and its diversity.

A society that welcomes diferent back grounds and accept peacefull diversions in its mist but at same time does not tolerate violent extremists...

It has always been like that....for exemple the Batle of Tours.....October 10, 732..

Islamic Caliphate Ideology had always the dream of conquering Europe...more likely...Christianity and Christian values...

God bless!

Not really if you look at Lebanon it has Sunni, shia, christian split population, Its also taken the most Syrian refugees in the mid east. France hasn't always been an open society - that only happened after its colonialist history - that's why you find a lot of north African Muslims living there mostly. However you can see the rise of Le pan who basically want a white society only rising up - they will definitely take this incident for there political agenda.

The battle of tour has nothing to do with modern France - your missing over 1000 years of history including the 100 years war with England, the french revolution and the rise of enlightenment ideas, Napoleon and his threat to Europe, and of course colonialism. Not mention the first world war and Nazi occupation.

Modern France as much to do with christian values as Bolshevik Russia did in 1917.
 
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This is the Early Middle Ages, an age of scant textual documentation. Medieval Islamic civilization was just beginning to develop a scholarly tradition by this time. There's simply no way to reliably even estimate the total Muslim population of the world, or of the Umayyad Caliphate, at this time. The only thing that can be discerned is that non-Arab converts had significantly outnumbered the small pre-conquest Muslim population of the Arabian Peninsula. And that's just because otherwise the Abbasid rebellion could not have happened.

The last part of your question, I have no idea what that even means.
The last part was not a question was actualy a comment...

But you actualy kind of said what I was thinking....

As I said I am focusing on what would have been the Muslam Ideology to invade Europe through the Batle of Tour....as you said was the ideology prabaly was "greed"...other wise they would had succeed..

But I am looking at a big picture...as the Commender was a very important figure to the caliphate and was following orders of "greed"....and logic violence....then, we can only conclude that this was probaly the Ideology of the majority of most if not all Muslams at the time....

We can draw a very clear diference between the begining of Islam and Christianity.....

Thank you! God bless!
 
The last part was not a question was actualy a comment...

But you actualy kind of said what I was thinking....

As I said I am focusing on what would have been the Muslam Ideology to invade Europe through the Batle of Tour....as you said was the ideology prabaly was "greed"...other wise they would had succeed..

But I am looking at a big picture...as the Commender was a very important figure to the caliphate and was following orders of "greed"....and logic violence....then, we can only conclude that this was probaly the Ideology of the majority of most if not all Muslams at the time....

We can draw a very clear diference between the begining of Islam and Christianity.....

Thank you! God bless!

Was futuwwa right when he told you it was greed?
One proves by sincerity is one's sincerity, and one proves by trolling and baiting one's trolling and baiting mentality.
Wa maa yuduillu bihi illa al faasiqoon.
 
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Not really if you look at Lebanon it has Sunni, shia, christian split population, Its also taken the most Syrian refugees in the mid east. France hasn't always been an open society - that only happened after its colonialist history - that's why you find a lot of north African Muslims living there mostly. However you can see the rise of Le pan who basically want a white society only rising up - they will definitely take this incident for there political agenda.


I agree until here, I think Lebanon is a rare exemple in the midle east where the majorits are Mulams...We could put Turkey here too....but the past years have been very disapointing...


The battle of tour has nothing to do with modern France - your missing over 1000 years of history including the 100 years war with England, the french revolution and the rise of enlightenment ideas, Napoleon and his threat to Europe, and of course colonialism. Not mention the first world war and Nazi occupation.

Modern France as much to do with christian values as Bolshevik Russia did in 1917.

I think its impossible to say that the history of a country can not shape or influence its presente...everything has some degree of influence....good or bad....

What I am today the result of all my past days...good or bad...


I believe that from 325 to 1800 the vast majority of war related issues in europe has to do Catholicism/ Rome Imperialist vs followers at Solo Scripiture.....political control undercover by imperialist church...

It was always a political/religious strugle...

Unfurtunetly the Imperial church started to kill Christians....to the point the they defend themselfs by killing too....

Great conversation! GOD bless!
 
Was futuwwa right when he told you it was greed?
One proves by sincerity is one's sincerity, and one proves by trolling and baiting one's trolling and baiting mentality.
Wa maa yuduillu bihi illa al faasiqoon.
I dont know what you mean....I ask a sincere question....and I believe he answer to his sincerity....

Do you see anything wrong with our dialogue?

In your opinion what was the reason/ideaology for the Commender enter the Batle of Tours in you opinion?

Thank you GOD bless!
 
I dont know what you mean....I ask a sincere question....and I believe he answer to his sincerity....

Do you see anything wrong with our dialogue?

I don't believe there are children just drawn from the breast on this forum, judge a man's intelligence by the questions he asks and the interpretations he derives.

In your opinion what was the reason/ideaology for the Commender enter the Batle of Tours in you opinion?

If i knew the reason i would have told you, if i had a strong indication or many strong indications as to the possible answer, i would have given my opinion, though i do believe that the initial rightly guided Caliphs were busy making treaties and establishing the Law of God in the lands that they were given authority over with full sincwrity and seeking to the will of God and gain His pleasure and blessings.
Many weird things happened after the forst four and i cannot say the same for all of the rest, with a few exceptions such as 'umar ibn abd al 'azeez. If they did good may Allah reward them with good, if they did evil, may Allah reward them with evil, if they sincerely repented of their faults, may Allah forgive them. easy isn't it?

Thank you GOD bless!

Thank God, May God bless those who turn to Him in humility.
 
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I don't believe there are children just drawn from the breast on this forum, judge a man's intelligence by the questions he asks and the interpretations he derives.



If i knew the reason i would have told you, if i had a strong indication or many strong indications as to the possible answer, i would have given my opinion, though i do believe that the initial rightly guided Caliphs were busy making treaties and establishing the Law of God in the lands that they were given authority over with full sincwrity and seeking to the will of God and gain His pleasure and blessings.
Many weird things happened after the forst four and i cannot say the same for all of the rest, with a few exceptions such as 'umar ibn abd al 'azeez. If they did good may Allah reward them with good, if they did evil, may Allah reward them with evil, if they sincerely repented of their faults, may Allah forgive them. easy isn't it?



Thank God, May God bless those who turn to Him in humility.

I liked a lot what you said....even that you may dont have an opinion over a fact of history.....and praise the Lord in your last statement....

"The Lord will not refuse a humble and broken heart"
 
"The Lord will not refuse a humble and broken heart"


109.*Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations.
Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them?
But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will you not then understand?

110.*Until, when the messengers give up hope and (come to) think that they were treated as liars, there reaches them Our help, and those whom We will are delivered into safety.
But never will be warded off our punishment from a people who are mujrim (criminals, treacherous, sinners, rebellious towards God, polytheists, unjust, wicked).

111.*There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

Quran Chapter 12, Yusuf, Joseph
 
109.*Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations.
Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them?
But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will you not then understand?

110.*Until, when the messengers give up hope and (come to) think that they were treated as liars, there reaches them Our help, and those whom We will are delivered into safety.
But never will be warded off our punishment from a people who are mujrim (criminals, treacherous, sinners, rebellious towards God, polytheists, unjust, wicked).

111.*There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

Quran Chapter 12, Yusuf, Joseph
Abz I had the plesure to read the entire Koran and I have a copy my self!

Have you had the honor of reading an entire bible?

Curious enough as the bible does not prohibit one to read or reasearch the OT or any other books or people for the matter....

More interesting is how the Koran uses "We" when speaking of God Himself..

Like "Elohim"....and "We" from the bible....

In the bible....God is the one who takes care of His own Words...

35. Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. 36. Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Proverbs 30: 5-6

God bless!
 
We can draw a very clear diference between the begining of Islam and Christianity.....

Tours is a hundred years after the death of the Prophet, it's hardly the beginning of Islam.
 
French Muslims do exist..but either way non Muslim or not it's irrelevant because harming innocent 'human beings' is prohibited, period. It's a basic principle of humanity at large and no Muslim can possibly justify these attacks.

I understand Muslims are suffering all around the world, I also understand what happened in France is a daily occurrence in Palestine, Syria, Iraq and many other countries worldwide however we shouldn't allow seperate incidents to cloud our judgment. We feel for Muslims and non Muslims alike who are oppressed all over the globe but do not be fooled by ISIS, IE Israeli Secret Intelligence Service. It's a well known fact they are a creation of the west and the leader of this movement, who's real name is Simon Elliot is a mossad agent.

I pray common sense reaches those who are clearly misguided in their understanding.

I am new to the board and was looking at this thread as the events around it are current and all over the news.

I did some research about the above claims because it seemed far fetched and found that the claims about Simon Elliot are false.

I can't post links as I am new.

What is truth?
 
Summary of Paris Attackers by Yasir Qadhi:

Ok, so, let's review what we're learning so far about the Paris attackers:

Two of them owned a bar. One was a regular hashish user. Another never prayed in the mosque and grew up in a life of petty crimes and a series of girlfriends. None of them studied the Islamic tradition. Disenfranchised, isolated, ignorant. (And before people start saying that this is what the media says, realize that most of this information is being relayed from family and friends).

Oh, and of course: they intentionally left a fake Syrian passport at the scene of the crime so as to make it even more difficult for innocent Syrian refugees to find asylum in Europe.

And these are the people leading the 'jihad' to free Muslim lands?!?

Yup, fits the bill perfectly actually. In all cases, the stereotype of a 'radical terrorist' is exactly as above.

Why is it that only such people are recruited by the extremists? Because they have absolutely nothing to begin with. No knowledge. No intelligence. No education. No life. Because if they had *any* of these characteristics to begin with, they would know how utterly vile and counterproductive such actions are.

Already, dozens of Islamophobic attacks have been reported across the Western world. Many countries and states have announced plans to stop any more asylum seekers from entering their lands. Mosques have been burned or vandalized. More attacks against Muslim lands have already been launched, and no doubt others will continue to follow. And the mood in many circles becomes even more irrational as it spires maddeningly closer to calls for total surveillance, or curtailing of religious rights, or mass expulsion, or perhaps even genocide of all Muslims.

Truly, as our Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) said of such groups: their speech is beautiful, yet their actions are ugly, they quote the Quran, yet have absolutely no understanding of it, and those whom they fight in the name of Islam (ie., the majority of the Muslim world!) are closer to Islam than they are.
 
109.*Nor did We send before thee (as messengers) any but men, whom we did inspire,- (men) living in human habitations.
Do they not travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those before them?
But the home of the hereafter is best, for those who do right. Will you not then understand?

110.*Until, when the messengers give up hope and (come to) think that they were treated as liars, there reaches them Our help, and those whom We will are delivered into safety.
But never will be warded off our punishment from a people who are mujrim (criminals, treacherous, sinners, rebellious towards God, polytheists, unjust, wicked).

111.*There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

Quran Chapter 12, Yusuf, Joseph
So....you like Umar II but not Hisham.....?

With this types of conversation I think I am starting to understand a litle more of Islamic world....

Very complicated names for westerns to memorize lol......but at least I am trying...

God bless!
 
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