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I see you're trying to prevent readers from developing or aggravating health problems such as diabetes. I think that's really thoughtful. Sweetex is supposedly better than shugga itself. It can still be addicting though.

Lolz, your choice, but bear in mind that it's artificial and only for those who can't stomach real shugga ;)
it's weird though innit?
When u see a false flag and you start shouting at the top of your lungs, they roll their eyes and say: yeah, alkayda discredited the Muslims but not us, alkeyda is bad and we're good so let's attack another country and supplement our swiss coffers and get some nobel prizes and tell them it's because they're not handing over bin ladin so they all deserve it.
Then you sit down, you think really really carefully, you've already seen the brazen lies, the cruel murder, the destruction and the slanders, you've lost your bearings.
Then you think, ok, what if alkeyda did do it? Did they have a right? You research alkeyda and see that it didn't give a **** about america's vices (though freedoms is the more politically correct usage to describe decadence). Alkeyda was more concerned with establishing Islamic rule in Muslim majority countries, but was facing american backed tin-pot puppet despots and opium dealers who were getting even more money and weapons by fighting alkeyda, then alkeyda knew it would attack america and america knew it would attack america - especially after the string of vetos on the zionist crimes.
So some great illuminated ones of america (bush? Or maybe his backers - the zionists) decide to attack america when alkeyda and the taliban enforce a successful ban on opium and squeeze the alCIAda which does the smuggling and laundering through the american banks, now the alCIAda have been resorting to getting their fingers sticky in the unexplainable budget pots and choose the perfect time to attack. Especially when rumsfeld is lost for words when it comes to explaining quite a few billion dollars at the pentagon the weapons market is about to take a huge slashing?
Problem arises:
Do you say: this was an evil act in order to cause chaos and let alkeyda take the blame and justify the already planned forays to which the public tend to turn a blind eye.
Or do you say: this is lawful retaliation according to the laws of God as clearly described in the Quran, people get sober and pay attention to the millions your government slaughters, and you patiently wait for the truth to come out and you don't end up having played a part in the "i think it was a false flag" or "alkeyda's evil bomb afghanistan for bin laden" game.
God knows.
Seek the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
It's not difficult to find a few-or many- people who are willing to lawfully retaliate on behalf of millions killed (some being their own family members) especially if you have the budget and the intelligence services which are corrupted to the core. You just need to look at the fbi's track record on that issue. They even pat themselves on the back after foiling their own plots lol! Emad salem at the first wtc bombing and the christmas tree suicide bomber were classics.


Omg, which mujahideen outfit would actually lose an operative by making him go blow himself up with a vest in a place where he could easily leave a bag, especially in the day and age of mobile phones, even the most newbie tinkerers let alone electrician knows how to remove a screen and solder some wires for enough voltage to get a coil going. But then, if it's the fbi they get to kill a few birds with a stone and even wrap it shut without a voice left to whisper.
And only the fbi would be evil enough to convince a kid to blow up a tree - and himself in the process.
Sadly i wouldn't be able to rationalise that one.

Bill Cooper used to speak loud and clear though, interesting that they issued a tax avoidance warrant on him on 9/11, must've had him flustered, but he went down all guns ablazin'. May Allah have mercy upon the man, he seemed quite sincere.

 
:bism:

:sl:

Okay, you flatter yourself, bro Abz. The way I see it, you're our IB's "arithmetic man," that is, you add trouble, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

Finally, I don't know why you keep filling in the blank as to my beliefs: If you have questions, ask, and don't assume. I don't believe in the LGBT movement, but then, I have the freedom of choice to not believe in the LGBT movement just as multiple Christian and Jewish communities also don't believe in the same.

That being said, I have already told you that I feel your views extremely un-Islamic and dangerous and of course the modern definition of extremism. Also, what I find ironic about your extremist views is that you haven't taken the time to actually study Islam with Islamic scholars and deride Islamic scholarship that condemns the extremist movement as un-Islamic.

Also, the fact that you don't seem to understand one simply fact makes me not take you seriously altogether, which is that scholars from reading ahadith have come to the conclusion that the Caliphate will not exist until the Second Coming of Prophet Jesus/Isa alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) and the pledge of allegiance to Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him). Of course, by default, this fact means that ISIS/Daesh/ISIL seeking to create a Caliphate are obviously deluded, and since you support them blindly, and I am left to assume that you are as deluded as them; and your claims of following "authentic" Islam therefore do not stack up against the reality of what you are actually doing, which I can only describe as hate-mongering against innocent peoples of various nations to justify extremists' egoistic need for vengeance against Muslim lives lost elsewhere in the world (as if two wrongs can ever equate a right, harrumph). Also, I abhor your mentality of grouping Muslims as some kind of hypocrites if they do not believe as you because of course you have some God-given insight into people's minds and hearts (sarcasm).

Also, you support the likes of Osama Bin Laden when he did a manifest wrong in declaring and calling for jihad against Western nations as Islam, as per shariatullah (divine laws), does not permit any human being other than a Khalifa or Sultan to declare war; and Osama Bin Laden was a nobody to do what Islam doesn't permit. Also, you clearly ignore a better part of history (because it doesn't suit your narrative of "us versus them"), which comprises of knowing that Arab Muslims were manifestly responsible for conspiring with the British to topple the Ottoman Empire because they didn't like Muslim Turks to have the power on account of the superiority complex of believing that power should rest instead with them as Islam started in Arabia. So, clearly, who is first responsible for the lack of a Caliphate in the world, the Muslims or the non-Muslims? I'd say the former. If Muslims today are an oppressed peoples, they first brought it upon themselves.

Also, if you'd known only a quarter as much about Islamic spirituality as you seem to know about extant conspiracy theories, you'd know that without heavenly support nothing can happen in the world, and therefore the turmoil in Middle East is directly a result of Muslims' actions, or should I say inaction? Today, Muslims are a humiliated peoples because most of them are cultural Muslims and not practicing Muslims. Does Allah SWT support a community that has mostly forgotten Him? Also, why isn't there a theocracy in Muslim countries? Because Muslims themselves didn't support a theocracy and wanted to copy Western nations; so, stop trying to blame people in the West/Western governments when Muslims themselves are clearly to blame.

Finally, I abhor what is happening in Sham, but the ones responsible for the impasse we've reached in the world as status quo are extremists.

Also, you keep asking people, Muslim and non-Muslims, to repent and return to Allah SWT. How about you? Why not include yourself and repent of your un-Islamic belief composed of your unwavering support of extremists who themselves are undoubtedly going to "go down" in ignominy in world's history, not to mention they will also be paid in full for their evil actions on Judgment Day, but are unfortunately trying to take peaceful Muslims everywhere with them?

I'm not sure you understand what peace means, but hey, Quran says to reply to words of the ignorant with the word, "Peace."

So.

Peace.

:wa:

When crypto-nite seethes, superman glows
i enjoy the contrast actually, especially when i'm seen as the antithesis of posters such as you.
Hell - who in their right mind wouldn't? Ur better off waving a banner at the lgbt march.
 
Search, with all due respect - Abz has been here far longer than you and you haven't really had the chance to let your self get to know him, smae goes for him too regarding you - give each other a break, it's the right thing to do.

Scimi
 
:bism:

:sl: and hello:

Hey, to everyone on the board, I already apologized to Bro Abz for the first line in post #288; I shouldn't have written that. And I'm apologizing publicly too because it wasn't fair of me and also harsh too.

:wa:
 
Right - so now that we got the attacking each other off our chests - lets concentrat on the paris attacks again... where were we?

Oh yes, right,

It wasn't Muslims.

It was a well orchestrated false flag.

It was designed to cause public outrage.

It was meant to foment a full scale invasion into more Muslim lands.

Many more Muslims will die in a multiplier far exceeding the number of non Muslims killed by other non Muslims in this parody of 9/11.

Many are wondering is this is the start of the Malhama - or Armageddon as it is known in Judeo-Christianity.

Have I missed anything?

Scimi

EDIT: Oh yes, and you're all still apparently waiting for Ya'juj wa Ma'juj to be released from the barrier, right :D???

all except Abz, and myself. If there is anyone else, please stand up,

Scimi
 
Oh yes, and you're all still apparently waiting for Ya'juj wa Ma'juj to be released from the barrier, right:D ???

all except Abz, and myself. If there is anyone else, please stand up,

Scimi

*stands up* I have no idea what black hole this thread is in, but I am taking the cue. I believe they were non-Muslim (Tengrist, Shamanist and Jewish) Turko-Mongol steppe hordes who were present in the steppes for so long. Mahdi period Gog and Magog (What if Muslims had time periods related to the end times? Dajjalite Period, Mahdite Period?) will probably be their descendants or something. (See Khazar Descendant stuff on Google) (Ain Jalut fulfills the Lake Tiberias theory)

Thats all.
 
Non-Muslims? I would use term "false Muslims", if it makes any different.
 
Many are wondering is this is the start of the Malhama - or Armageddon as it is known in Judeo-Christianity.

I think it's not the time yet.
There will be escalation and then chinese civilization will play their role, bringing the world into tight balance for a while.
 
:bism:

:sl:

Okay, you flatter yourself, bro Abz. The way I see it, you're our IB's "arithmetic man," that is, you add trouble, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.

Finally, I don't know why you keep filling in the blank as to my beliefs: If you have questions, ask, and don't assume. I don't believe in the LGBT movement, but then, I have the freedom of choice to not believe in the LGBT movement just as multiple Christian and Jewish communities also don't believe in the same.

That being said, I have already told you that I feel your views extremely un-Islamic and dangerous and of course the modern definition of extremism. Also, what I find ironic about your extremist views is that you haven't taken the time to actually study Islam with Islamic scholars and deride Islamic scholarship that condemns the extremist movement as un-Islamic.

Also, the fact that you don't seem to understand one simply fact makes me not take you seriously altogether, which is that scholars from reading ahadith have come to the conclusion that the Caliphate will not exist until the Second Coming of Prophet Jesus/Isa alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) and the pledge of allegiance to Mahdi alayhis salaam (peace be upon him). Of course, by default, this fact means that ISIS/Daesh/ISIL seeking to create a Caliphate are obviously deluded, and since you support them blindly, and I am left to assume that you are as deluded as them; and your claims of following "authentic" Islam therefore do not stack up against the reality of what you are actually doing, which I can only describe as hate-mongering against innocent peoples of various nations to justify extremists' egoistic need for vengeance against Muslim lives lost elsewhere in the world (as if two wrongs can ever equate a right, harrumph). Also, I abhor your mentality of grouping Muslims as some kind of hypocrites if they do not believe as you because of course you have some God-given insight into people's minds and hearts (sarcasm).

Also, you support the likes of Osama Bin Laden when he did a manifest wrong in declaring and calling for jihad against Western nations as Islam, as per shariatullah (divine laws), does not permit any human being other than a Khalifa or Sultan to declare war; and Osama Bin Laden was a nobody to do what Islam doesn't permit. Also, you clearly ignore a better part of history (because it doesn't suit your narrative of "us versus them"), which comprises of knowing that Arab Muslims were manifestly responsible for conspiring with the British to topple the Ottoman Empire because they didn't like Muslim Turks to have the power on account of the superiority complex of believing that power should rest instead with them as Islam started in Arabia. So, clearly, who is first responsible for the lack of a Caliphate in the world, the Muslims or the non-Muslims? I'd say the former. If Muslims today are an oppressed peoples, they first brought it upon themselves.

Also, if you'd known only a quarter as much about Islamic spirituality as you seem to know about extant conspiracy theories, you'd know that without heavenly support nothing can happen in the world, and therefore the turmoil in Middle East is directly a result of Muslims' actions, or should I say inaction? Today, Muslims are a humiliated peoples because most of them are cultural Muslims and not practicing Muslims. Does Allah SWT support a community that has mostly forgotten Him? Also, why isn't there a theocracy in Muslim countries? Because Muslims themselves didn't support a theocracy and wanted to copy Western nations; so, stop trying to blame people in the West/Western governments when Muslims themselves are clearly to blame.

Finally, I abhor what is happening in Sham, but the ones responsible for the impasse we've reached in the world as status quo are extremists.

Also, you keep asking people, Muslim and non-Muslims, to repent and return to Allah SWT. How about you? Why not include yourself and repent of your un-Islamic belief composed of your unwavering support of extremists who themselves are undoubtedly going to "go down" in ignominy in world's history, not to mention they will also be paid in full for their evil actions on Judgment Day, but are unfortunately trying to take peaceful Muslims everywhere with them?

I'm not sure you understand what peace means, but hey, Quran says to reply to words of the ignorant with the word, "Peace."

So.

Peace.

:wa:
Thanks for saying a lot of what I was going to say.....I am very impressed!


God bless!
 
:bism:

:sl: and hello:

Hey, to everyone on the board, I already apologized to Bro Abz for the first line in post #288; I shouldn't have written that. And I'm apologizing publicly too because it wasn't fair of me and also harsh too.

:wa:
Why? .....I mean....Why?
 
Right - so now that we got the attacking each other off our chests - lets concentrat on the paris attacks again... where were we?

Oh yes, right,

It wasn't Muslims.

It was a well orchestrated false flag.

It was designed to cause public outrage.

It was meant to foment a full scale invasion into more Muslim lands.

Many more Muslims will die in a multiplier far exceeding the number of non Muslims killed by other non Muslims in this parody of 9/11.

Many are wondering is this is the start of the Malhama - or Armageddon as it is known in Judeo-Christianity.

Have I missed anything?

Scimi

EDIT: Oh yes, and you're all still apparently waiting for Ya'juj wa Ma'juj to be released from the barrier, right :D???

all except Abz, and myself. If there is anyone else, please stand up,

Scimi
Well...somebody said a few posts back that even if they where fake they would stand as brothers anyway....

So like, we just want muslams to take a position....in favor or against!

Its simple as Abz said!

Peace...
 
Search...you think that is a miracle the prophet Mohamed survived even if was figthing as you acknolodge.....

What I am supposed to say...when 12 reach a whole empire with out fighting?...axactly as NT says?

How can I believe Christianity is false?

God bless
 
*stands up* I have no idea what black hole this thread is in, but I am taking the cue. I believe they were non-Muslim (Tengrist, Shamanist and Jewish) Turko-Mongol steppe hordes who were present in the steppes for so long. Mahdi period Gog and Magog (What if Muslims had time periods related to the end times? Dajjalite Period, Mahdite Period?) will probably be their descendants or something. (See Khazar Descendant stuff on Google) (Ain Jalut fulfills the Lake Tiberias theory)

Thats all.

Yes, that was the Magog tribes, the Gog ones fell under wide banner termed as Scythians in ancient history, whereas the Magogites were the Turanian tribes of which the Mongols were just one - they all united under Genghis in the end, and formed the Mongol hoardes and attacked the Muslim territories pretty much as soon as the Crusades were over.

Btw, the Crusades were led by Vikings who pragmatically became Christians and took up the name Normans so they could tempt the Pope of Rome to allow their crusader army to attack Jerusalem which was not under the the Roman Churches jurisdiction.

The Vikings were a tribe who belong to the Scythians of old.

In Christian and Jewish eschatology, Jerusalem would be attacked from a northerly direction by the armies of Gog Magog. In Islamic prophecy, we know that the first of them (gog magog) will drink from Lake Tiberias (sea of Galilee) and the last of them will say - there used to be water here once.

mapofisrael-1.gif


As you can see, the Cursaders would have had to stop for their water supplies at Tiberias and they did. Fulfilling one half of the Islamic prophecy and definitely fulfilling the Judeo-Christian one in the process because they did attack Jerusalem from the north and they originally came from the furthest north (Scandinavia) which alludes to Ezekiel's prophecy in the Old Testament regarding Gog Magog.

The latter half of the Islamic prophecy is fulfilled in the modern age - look at Lake Tiberias today, it's a mud swamp.

If you would like more information on this study - please visit this link: http://wup-forum.com/in-search-of-gog-and-magog-t25494.html Possibly the best information on the topic of Gog Magog on the web.

Scimi
 
I think it's not the time yet.
There will be escalation and then chinese civilization will play their role, bringing the world into tight balance for a while.

Largest armed force in the world - Xi Jinping is already eyeing America and Europe with contempt. But that's on the surface... under it, they share wine, women and wealth.

Scimi
 
Largest armed force in the world - Xi Jinping is already eyeing America and Europe with contempt. But that's on the surface... under it, they share wine, women and wealth.

Scimi

Indeed. All they care is to keep their powers, huggling like traders at the fair.
I suggest, in Syria it'll be like Afghanistan in 70s, West and Russia will be provoking each other to get bogged down deeper at war. While in the West, protests will grow against war and civil liberties suppression, Russia with ruined economics will give up eastern part to China by the same scenario as was in Ukraine.
 
:bism:

I only apologized for the first line, which comprised of an insult to Abz. And intelligent though the insult might have been, it wasn't befitting of me to resort to that when I have the option of refuting his points better, which I did; and just in case you're in doubt, I do stand behind the points in the post I'd made.

Why? .....I mean....Why?
 
:bism:

This is a very simplistic worldview. Prophet Musa/Moses alayhis salaam (peace and blessings be upon him) still had to do dawaa (invitation to submission to God) even though Pharaoh was one of the worst examples of humanity in history because God still held Prophet Musa/Moses alayhis salaam (peace and blessings be upon him) responsible for conveying the message. In that same way, the terrorist organizations and extremists are evil, misguided, and deluded. However, as laypersons, we're not allowed to say that they have become disbelievers simply because the only one allowed to do that are Islamic scholars.

That said, Islamic scholars have taken the position that the extremists' and terrorists' actions are un-Islamic and haraam. Also, Islamic scholars have deemed them as possessing the characteristics of Khwarij as they often perform takfir (declaring Muslims "non-Muslims") which of course means that takfir reverts back to them, and they are the ones who instead become disbelievers in the eyes of Allah (God). So, all in all, as laypersons, all we know for sure is Allah (God) will judge them for their evil and they will be paid in full for their evil actions on Judgment Day.

Muslims worldwide are against extremists and terrorists. Full Stop. Period. Dot. However, whether the extremists and terrorists are out of the folds of Islam, is not the judgment domain of the Muslim layperson but Islamic scholars. So, calling an extremist or terrorist a "brother" is not actually endorsing the extremists' position.


Well...somebody said a few posts back that even if they where fake they would stand as brothers anyway....

So like, we just want muslams to take a position....in favor or against!

Its simple as Abz said!

Peace...
 
Search...you think that is a miracle the prophet Mohamed survived even if was figthing as you acknolodge.....

What I am supposed to say...when 12 reach a whole empire with out fighting?...axactly as NT says?

How can I believe Christianity is false?

God bless

Uh, I'm sorry I really didn't understand what question you were trying to ask in the first two lines.

Well, how can you believe Christianity is false? I don't know the answer to that question. I know, having studied Christianity, that I do not believe in its tenets. Did I mention I used to be an atheist/agnostic at one point in life? So, I don't know how to answer you as to that question.

While I believe the Christianity that is practiced today is not the original religion of submission to God that was with Prophet Jesus (Isa) alayhis salaam (peace be upon him) came, I still respect Christianity and Christians. While Islam holds Christianity and Christians in esteem, Islam also says that Christianity has been changed to suit the times and people's understanding of the world whereas the people who did so did not have the authority to do so because God did not give any persons divine permission to change his divine regulations. That is why Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasallam (peace and blessings be upon him) was sent, to confirm what was sent previously and disavow what was added by the hands of men. The Jewish peoples, for example, are still waiting for their two prophets to arrive. According to Islam, Jewish peoples are correct about there being one God, but are incorrect in rejecting the two prophets sent (that is, the aforementioned). And according to Islam, Christians are astray for worshiping Jesus when he was a man like them and a figurative son of God as we too all are "children of God" when they should instead worship the one God only.

That being said, when I was atheist/agnostic, I did make a prayer to God to guide me (even though I wasn't really sure if there was a god to listen to my prayer). Maybe you can do the same? I don't know. Just a suggestion. Also, please recognize a spiritual fact of existence: Belief resides in the heart. Faith is a matter of belief. Faith and guidance come from God.
 
Yes, that was the Magog tribes, the Gog ones fell under wide banner termed as Scythians in ancient history, whereas the Magogites were the Turanian tribes of which the Mongols were just one - they all united under Genghis in the end, and formed the Mongol hoardes and attacked the Muslim territories pretty much as soon as the Crusades were over.

Btw, the Crusades were led by Vikings who pragmatically became Christians and took up the name Normans so they could tempt the Pope of Rome to allow their crusader army to attack Jerusalem which was not under the the Roman Churches jurisdiction.

The Vikings were a tribe who belong to the Scythians of old.

In Christian and Jewish eschatology, Jerusalem would be attacked from a northerly direction by the armies of Gog Magog. In Islamic prophecy, we know that the first of them (gog magog) will drink from Lake Tiberias (sea of Galilee) and the last of them will say - there used to be water here once.

mapofisrael-1.gif


As you can see, the Cursaders would have had to stop for their water supplies at Tiberias and they did. Fulfilling one half of the Islamic prophecy and definitely fulfilling the Judeo-Christian one in the process because they did attack Jerusalem from the north and they originally came from the furthest north (Scandinavia) which alludes to Ezekiel's prophecy in the Old Testament regarding Gog Magog.

The latter half of the Islamic prophecy is fulfilled in the modern age - look at Lake Tiberias today, it's a mud swamp.

If you would like more information on this study - please visit this link: http://wup-forum.com/in-search-of-gog-and-magog-t25494.html Possibly the best information on the topic of Gog Magog on the web.

Scimi
Intresting to see how you guys bilieve...

Thanks! God bless!
 
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