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What is taught in Islamic schools is what will become of the Muslims who study Islam by the manner of those who teach it nowadays. Think now : Is this in its entirety what should be inculcated to children in the face of challenges of this era?

Glory be to the Creator.
 
Regarding 'being militant', what I meant is there is no dialogue or protest, there is a direct attack - by means of arms and terror. And if this was against the American soldiers is can be even considered righteous, but for it to be targeted at populations is wrong.

If someone does wrong (like Americans bomb places that destroys civilians in Iraq), is it right from your side? If someone came and hurt your child, would you get their child? Is it right?

I don't know many Muslim clerics, I am not a Muslim but the message of Jihad and 'Embrace Islam or die' is stronger than the moderate voice in the Muslim world, which is why the world stands to clarify in the face of such attacks.
Personally, I can tell from how you speak that you're not very familiar with, and probably have not even spent a lot of time with muslims. You make yourself sound ignorant when you speak like that, the forum is made up of muslims from different parts of the world, some "western", some muslim majority countries, some asian, etc. Do you think it is mere "coincidence" that we happen to not condone an "embrace Islam or die" mentality? Do you think that we are the minority?

I recently came across a convert who mentioned that he was tired of having to "condemn" every single bad thing someone who happens to be muslim does, as if he is in any way responsible. It seems that it doesn't matter how many times muslims condemn such atrocities, the moment something bad happens that happen to be done by a muslim the attitude by people is to immediately place the blame on muslims as a whole. As if they suddenly had amnesia.

Believe it or not, most muslims have regular lives, they have their own personal responsibilities to worry about. The problem is not in "muslims must condemn all these bad things", it's that people should stop expecting them to as if they somehow are in support of such tragedies unless they publicly condemn it. Normal people, condemn bad things by default, to ask them specifically if they condemn it is kind of insulting.
 
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Personally, I can tell from how you speak that you're not very familiar with, and probably have not event spent a lot of time with muslims. You make yourself sound ignorant when you speak like that, the forum is made up of muslims from different parts of the world, some "western", some muslim majority countries, some asian, etc. Do you think it is mere "coincidence" that we happen to not condone an "embrace Islam or die" mentality? Do you think that we are the minority?

I know many Muslims, and all are my friends. You are not the minority, but the majority. You are all a passive voice. Please keep in mind I am not blaming ISIS or Al-Qaeda actions squarely on Muslims. I think what the terrorist organizations are doing is Un-islamic, just like many other things that are. While other un-islamic things are quickly condemned, these terrorist organizations are seen sympathatically by Muslims (as was OBL).

But these guys are the ones who actually spoil the name of Islam. Those who have no faith, certainly find it easy to provoke and prove their point. See your enemies are more in number than you thought. If a man impersonated you and entered a city, and did crime, would you stand and watch?

I recently came across a convert who mentioned that he was tired of having to "condemn" every little bad thing someone who happens to be muslim does, as if he is in any way responsible. It seems that it doesn't matter how many times muslims condemn such atrocities, the moment something bad happens that happened to be done by a muslim the attitude by people is to immediately place the blame on muslims as a whole.

France didn't blame it on Muslims, instead they rallied to defend Muslims. The reasons people need this clarification is because in your den, evil seems stronger. And that is affecting the other people.

Believe it or not, most muslims have regular lives, they have their own personal responsibilities to worry about. The problem is not in "muslims must condemn all these bad things", it's that people should stop expecting them to as if they somehow are in support of such tragedies unless they publicly condemn it.

I know the Muslims have normal lives and I have many Muslim friends. It is necessary for Muslim clerics and leaders to condemn terrorist activities like that of ISIS and all the other ones around, not just in word but in action. In order for that force to be mightier, the conviction of the good should be higher than the conviction of evil. But which Muslim cleric has? There has to be a Muslim leader who embodies the highest Islamic ideals and is able to wake the leaders against these.

After these crimes, condemning those ones who people believe represent you becomes mere lip service. Does who let the wolf children in their land are like those who call strangers into the house to kill their brother in a quarrel.

I am sure you believe, all that has been said in the Islamic eschatology is true. And those who speak of the Creator in vain, or use His name to sin will face great suffering. The Creator's faith is not for playing number games as to how many people turned to your understood path in His name, or some other path. It is not to be hijack by a particular people, language or symbolism.
 
^ why are you friends with nurse nayirah and do you disassociate yourself from your former act of perjury in order to get a few million children killed?
Are you gonna repent or wot?

We disseminated information in a void as a basis for Americans to form opinions.— Frank Mankiewicz, Vice Chairman, Hill & Knowlton
(information that was totally baseless and false).


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y
 
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these terrorist organizations are seen sympathatically by Muslims

I couldn't stop laughing, especially after reading this:

You are not the minority, but the majority. You are all a passive voice.


Compromised thought processes always give me the giggles :D

So I stopped reading and thought, "let me just point this out first"

and now I'm thinking, "I don't even want to laugh at another humans inability to rationalise properly" so I will just stop here and be done with it.

Scimi
 
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Salaam

More analysis. Very detailed.

Charlie Hebdo And The War For Civilisation

In 2003, a top security expert told filmmaker Michael Moore, 'there is no one in America other than President Bush who is in more danger than you'. (Michael Moore, 'Here Comes Trouble – Stories From My Life,' Allen Lane, 2011, p.4)

Moore was attacked with a knife, a blunt object and stalked by a man with a gun. Scalding coffee was thrown at his face, punches were thrown in broad daylight. The verbal abuse was ceaseless, including numerous death threats. In his book, 'Here Comes Trouble', Moore writes:

'I could no longer go out in public without an incident happening.' (p.20)

A security company, which compiled a list of more than 440 credible threats against Moore, told him:

'We need to tell you that the police have in custody a man who was planning to blow up your house. You're in no danger now.' (p.23)

But why was Moore a target? Had he published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad?

The problem had begun in the first week of the 2003 Iraq war when Moore's film 'Bowling For Columbine' won the Oscar for best documentary. At the March 23 Academy Awards ceremony, Moore told a global audience:

'I've invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage with us. They are here in solidarity with me because we like nonfiction. We like nonfiction, yet we live in fictitious times. We live in a time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons. Whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts: we are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you! And anytime you've got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up! Thank you very much.' (p.5-6)

About halfway through these remarks, Moore reports, 'all hell broke loose'. On arriving home from the ceremony, he found three truckloads of horse manure dumped waist-high in his driveway. That night, Moore witnessed for himself the extent to which US corporate journalism defends the right to offend:

'...as I flipped between the channels, I listened to one pundit after another question my sanity, criticise my speech, and say, over and over, in essence: "I don't know what got into him!" "He sure won't have an easy time in this town after that stunt!" "Who does he think will make another movie with him now?" "Talk about career suicide!" After an hour of this, I turned off the TV and went online – where there was more of the same, only worse – from all over America.'
(pp.9-10)

This is the reality of respect for free speech in the United States. If, on Oscar night, he had held up a cartoon depicting President Bush naked on all fours, buttocks raised to a pornographic filmmaker, would Moore still be alive today?

War - Total, Merciless, Civilised

In stark contrast to the campaign of near-fatal media vilification of Moore, journalists have responded to the Charlie Hebdo atrocity in Paris by passionately defending the right to offend. Or so we are to believe. The Daily Telegraph's chief interviewer, Allison Pearson, wrote:

'Those that died yesterday did so on the frontline of a war of civilisations. I salute them, those Martyrs for Freedom of Speech.'

Former French president Nicolas Sarkozy agreed, describing the attacks as 'a war declared on civilisation'. Joan Smith wrote in the Guardian:

'I am feeling sick and shaky. I have been writing all day with tears running down my face. I don't suppose I'm alone in reacting like this to the massacre at Charlie Hebdo, which is an assault on journalists and free speech.'

New York Times columnist Roger Cohen tweeted:

'I am shaking with rage at the attack on Charlie Hebdo. It's an attack on the free world. The entire free world should respond, ruthlessly.'

The Western tendency to act with ruthless, overwhelming violence is, of course, a key reason why Islamic terrorists are targeting the West. Glenn Greenwald asked Cohen:

'At whom should this violence be directed beyond the specific perpetrators, and what form should it take?'

Sylvain Attal, editor of new media at TV station France24, replied:

'response must be both merciless and respectful of our legal system. Period'

End of discussion. American journalist and regular Fox News talk show host, Geraldo Rivera, raved:

'The French extremists say they are committed to Jihad and are willing to die for their cause. We should make their wish come true. No mercy'

The 'entire free world', then, should resort to ruthless, merciless violence to defend 'civilisation', a term some naïve souls have associated with compassion, restraint, and even the bizarre exhortation:

'Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.'

Cohen retweeted Anand Giridharadas, who writes for the New York Times:

'Not & never a war of civilizations or between them. But a war FOR civilization against groups on the other side of that line. #CharlieHebdo'

Thus, we live in a time when a 'war for civilisation' is seen as something more than a grotesque contradiction in terms.

Much, but thankfully not all, media coverage has been this extreme. To his credit, former Independent editor Simon Kelner managed a rather more nuanced view.

Journalism - Part Of 'The Murder Machine'

In The Times, the perennially apocalyptic David Aaronovitch wrote:

'Yesterday in Paris we in the west crossed a boundary that cannot be recrossed. For the first time since the defeat of fascism a group of citizens were massacred because of what they had drawn, said and published.'

The Guardian took a similar view:

'Wednesday's atrocity was the... bloodiest single assault on western journalism in living memory.'

But, in fact, the bloodiest attack on journalism in living memory, at least in Europe, happened on April 23, 1999 when Nato bombed the headquarters of Serbian state radio and television, killing 16 people. The dead included an editor, a programme director, a cameraman, a make-up artist, three security guards and other media support staff. Additional radio and electrical installations throughout the country were also attacked. The New York Times witnessed the carnage:

'The Spanish-style entrance was ripped away by the blasts, which seemed to hit the roof just under the large girder tower that holds numerous satellite dishes. Although the tower and blackened dishes remained, the control rooms and studios underneath had simply disappeared.' (Steven Erlanger, 'Survivors of NATO Attack On Serb TV Headquarters: Luck, Pluck and Resolve,' The New York Times, April 24, 1999)

Presumably this had been some kind of terrible mistake by the civilised West crossing a boundary that could not be recrossed. No, Nato insisted that the TV station, a 'ministry of lies', was a legitimate target and the bombing 'must be seen as an intensification of our attacks'. A Pentagon spokesman added:

'Serb TV is as much a part of Milosevic's murder machine as his military is. The media is one of the pillars of Milosevic's power machine. It is right up there with security forces and the military.' (Erlanger, op.cit.)

Amnesty International responded:

'The bombing of the headquarters of Serbian state radio and television was a deliberate attack on a civilian object and as such constitutes a war crime.'

In all the corporate press discussion of the Paris killings, we have found no mention of Nato's bombing of Serbian TV and radio.

In August 2011, Irina Bokova, Director-General of UNESCO, condemned Nato's bombing of Libyan state broadcasting facilities on July 30, killing three media workers, with 21 people injured:

'I deplore the NATO strike on Al-Jamahiriya and its installations. Media outlets should not be targeted in military actions. U.N. Security Council Resolution 1738 (2006) condemns acts of violence against journalists and media personnel in conflict situations.'

Again, Nato confirmed that the bombing had been deliberate:

'Striking specifically these critical satellite dishes will reduce the regime's ability to oppress civilians while [preserving] television broadcast infrastructure that will be needed after the conflict.'

In November 2001, two American air-to-surface missiles hit al-Jazeera's satellite TV station in Kabul, Afghanistan, killing a reporter. Chief editor Ibrahim Hilal said al-Jazeera had communicated the location of its office in Kabul to the American authorities.

In April 2003, an al-Jazeera cameraman was killed when the station's Baghdad office was bombed during a US air raid. In 2005, the Guardian quoted the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ):

'"Reports that George Bush and Tony Blair discussed a plan to bomb al-Jazeera reinforce concerns that the US attack in Baghdad on April 8 [2003] was deliberate targeting of the media" said Aidan White, the general secretary of the IFJ.'

According to the Daily Mirror, Bush had told Blair of his plan:

'He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it.'

Similarly, during last summer's blitz of Gaza, Israel killed 17 journalists. An investigation led by Human Rights Watch concluded that Israeli attacks on journalists were one of many 'apparent violations' of international law. In a 2012 letter to The New York Times, Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich, head spokeswoman to foreign media for the Israel Defense Force, wrote:

'Such terrorists, who hold cameras and notebooks in their hands, are no different from their colleagues who fire rockets aimed at Israeli cities and cannot enjoy the rights and protection afforded to legitimate journalists.'

Sorry For Any Offence'

Aaronovitch warned that 'appalling' as previous attacks on Western free speech had been, 'they were generally the work of disorganised loners', whereas the Paris attacks seemed to have been more organised. What then to say of lethal attacks on journalists conducted, not by a group of religious fanatics, but by democratically elected governments?

Given this context, corporate media commentary on the Charlie Hebdo massacre all but drowns in irony and hypocrisy. The Telegraph commented:

'But the march in Paris reminds us, at the very least, that the men of violence are not just a minority, but a fragment of a fragment. And it may be that it also acts as a turning point. The US is to hold a conference at the White House on countering violent extremism...'

In fact, as LSE student Daniel Wickham clarified, 'men of violence' were among the marchers. Certainly the White House is a good place for people to do some serious thinking about violent extremism and how to stop it.

A Guardian leader observed:

'When men and women have gone to their deaths for nothing more than what they have said, or drawn, there is only one side to be on.'

True, but if it is to be meaningful, support for the right to offend must not defer to a self-serving view of a world divided into 'good guys' and 'bad guys', 'us' and 'them'. Like the rest of the media, the Guardian protests passionately when 'bad guys' commit an atrocity against 'us', but emotive defences of free speech are in short supply when 'good guys' bomb Serb and Libyan TV, or threaten the life of progressive US filmmakers. Far fewer tears are shed for Serb, Libyan or Palestinian journalists in US-UK corporate media offices.

The Guardian added:

'Being shocking is going to involve offending someone. If there is a right to free speech, implicit within it there has to be a right to offend. Any society that's serious about liberty has to defend the free flow of ugly words, even ugly sentiments.'

The sentiment was quickly put to the test when BBC reporter Tim Willcox commented in a live TV interview:

'Many critics though of Israel's policy would suggest that the Palestinians suffer hugely at Jewish hands as well.'

This mild statement of obvious fact brought a predictable flood of calls for Willcox to resign. The journalist instantly backed down:

'Really sorry for any offence caused by a poorly phrased question in a live interview in Paris yesterday - it was entirely unintentional'

A BBC spokesman completed the humiliation:

'Tim Willcox has apologised for what he accepts was a poorly phrased question... He had no intention of causing offence.'

Glenn Greenwald describes the prevailing rule:

'As always: it's free speech if it involves ideas I like or attacks groups I dislike, but it's something different when I'm the one who is offended.'

Chris Hedges notes:

'In France a Holocaust denier, or someone who denies the Armenian genocide, can be imprisoned for a year and forced to pay a $60,000 fine. It is a criminal act in France to mock the Holocaust the way Charlie Hebdo mocked Islam.'

A point emphasised by the recent arrest of a French comedian on charges of 'defending terrorism'.

The irony of the BBC apology, given recent events, appears to have been invisible to most commentators. Radical comedian Frankie Boyle is a welcome exception, having earlier commented:

'I'm reading a defence of free speech in a paper that tried to have me arrested and charged with obscenity for making a joke about the Queen'

The Guardian leader concluded:

'Poverty and discrimination at home may create fertile conditions for the spread of extremism, and western misadventures abroad can certainly inflame the risks.'

The term 'western misadventures' is a perfect example of how media like the Guardian work so hard to avoid offending elite interests with more accurate descriptions like 'Western atrocities' and 'Western genocidal crimes'.

A leader in The Times observed of the Charlie Hebdo killers:

'Their victims knew the risks they ran by defying the jihadist strategy of censorship through terror. They accepted those risks. They understood that freedom is not free, and so should we all.' (Leader, 'Nous Sommes Tous Charlie,' The Times, January 8, 2015)

Fine words, but in 2013 Times owner Rupert Murdoch apologised for a powerful cartoon by Gerald Scarfe that had appeared in the newspaper. The cartoon depicted the brutal Israeli treatment of Palestinians but was not in any way anti-Semitic. Murdoch, however, tweeted:

'Gerald Scarfe has never reflected the opinions of the Sunday Times. Nevertheless, we owe major apology for grotesque, offensive cartoon.'

In its response to the Paris killings, The Times perceived 'a vital duty for Muslim clerics who must embrace a new role actively deradicalising their followers. It also imposes an urgent responsibility on Muslim political leaders'.

Did the paper have any positive role models in mind?

'One controversial figure who appears to have understood this is Egypt's president, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi. In a remarkable speech to imams last week to mark the birthday of Muhammad, he called for a "religious revolution" to prevent the Islamic world being "lost by our own hands".'

The Times went on:

'Mr al-Sisi is not unique. Najib Razak, Malaysia's prime minister, has championed moderate political Islam at home and abroad.' (Leader, 'Freedom Must Prevail,' Times, January 9, 2015)

Thus, Sisi, leader of a military coup, someone who oversaw the massacre of 1,000 civilian protestors on a single day in August 2013, is hailed as a 'champion' of 'moderate political Islam'.

There is so much more that could be said about just how little passion the corporate media have for defending the right to offend. Anyone in doubt should try, as we have, to discuss their own record of failing to offend the powerful. To criticise 'mainstream' media from this perspective is to render oneself a despised unperson. In response to our polite, decidedly inoffensive challenges on Twitter we have been banned by champions of free speech like Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger, Jon Snow of Channel 4 News, Jeremy Bowen of the BBC, Peter Beaumont of the Observer and Guardian, and many others.

Even rare dissident fig leaves on newspapers like the Guardian dismiss as asinine and, yes, offensive, the suggestion that they should risk offending their corporate employers and advertisers. Not only is no attempt made to defend such a right, the very idea is dismissed as nonsense unworthy even of discussion.

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/...arlie-hebdo-and-the-war-for-civilisation.html
 
Salaam

The pathetic Blair creature strikes again. Looks like he wants to launch another crusade against the Muslim world.


Tony Blair: force is necessary in struggle against radical Islam

The former UK prime minister speaks at a Republican closed-door strategy session and also stresses importance of ‘global alliance to teach tolerance’


Tony Blair has called for a US-led effort to confront the “substantial minority” of Muslims who support terrorism, during a meeting with top Republicans that reunited the former British prime minister with hawks in the party who believe the White House response to recent attacks has been too limited.

According to a source present at a closed-door strategy session attended by nearly 300 Republican senators and congressmen, the former prime minister argued that force would be needed in what he called a “generational” struggle, but more important would be a “global alliance to teach tolerance” as millions of people in the Muslim world are systematically being taught to be intolerant.

Blair, who was introduced by Senator John McCain, also reportedly argued that radical Islam and the terrorism associated with it had not been contained; that countries in the west “didn’t cause it but were caught up in it”; that it was neither isolated nor insignificant and that while the majority of Muslims opposed it, “a substantial and not a fringe minority” supported it.

A spokeswoman for Blair’s private office confirmed to the Guardian that he spoke about the “Middle East peace process, as well as issues relating to the wider region” in his capacity as representative of the Middle East quartet, which represents the United Nations, US, European Union and Russia. She declined to give any further information on the contents of his speech, which was not open to reporters.

An estimated 300 congressional staff members were also present at the meeting, which greeted Blair with standing ovations after he was introduced, at the conclusion of his remarks and after a brief question-and-answer session. There was also frequent applause as he spoke, according to those present.

The meeting came hours before the current UK prime minister, David Cameron, was due to hold talks with Barack Obama over dinner at the White House. The two leaders were expected to discuss the west’s response to recent attacks such as the shooting of journalists and hostages in Paris last week.

Blair appeared to have struck a more confrontational tone, arguing that a variety of factors contributed to radical Islam, but at root it was a struggle within Islam about the nature of the faith and its relationship with other religious communities.

According to the witness, Blair said radical Islam was a perverted ideology that justified the use of force against those of other religions or Muslims who interpreted their faith differently. It was hostile to “us and our values”, he claimed, and though some want to negotiate with it or ignore it, neither of those approaches would work and it had to be confronted.

The former prime minister also talked about the lessons of the post-9/11 era. He reportedly argued that the US and UK had learned that if you topple dictators, you release other forces that have to be dealt with. However, the Arab Spring demonstrated that many of those dictatorships would be swept away in any event.

It was hard to be successful “unless you had allies within Islam itself”, he reportedly said, adding that the Middle East would continue to evolve away from what it is and that unless extremism was fought it would continue to grow. He was said to be “extremely concerned” about the emergence of the Islamic State (Isis) in Syria and Iraq.

Nonetheless, the former prime minister was said be hopeful about the prospect of building further alliances in the Middle East, arguing that many Islamic leaders in recent years had come to understand that they too were the targets of radical Islam. He even thought that over time there could be an alliance of sorts between Israel and the Arab states against radical Islam.

But he concluded that America would have to play a leading role in what he thought would be a “generational” struggle and urged the Republicans present not to disengage and to rise to the task and recognise it was “our problem as well as theirs”.

Blair’s office said he was not paid to speak at the Republican lunch, which was held in Hershey, Pennsylvania, but received travel expenses.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/15/tony-blair-speaks-republican-strategy-session-pennsylvania-radical-islam
 
Thanks for the timely reminder, i recall the media that is now trying to illegaly justify blind and irrational mockery on the Messengers of God in order to cause more confusion and chaos as the same media who remained silent on the illegal infidel attacks on media trying to report the truth as it was:

*US Colonel Advocates US 'Military Attacks' on 'Partisan Media'*in Essay for Neocon, Pro-Israel Group JINSA

By Jeremy Scahill

May 21, 2009 "RebelReports" --

In the era of embedded media, independent journalists have become the eyes and ears of the world. Without those un-embedded journalists willing to risk their lives to place themselves on the other side of the barrel of the tank or the gun or under the airstrikes, history would be written almost entirely from the vantage point of powerful militaries, or—at the very least—it would be told from the perspective of the troops doing the shooting, rather than the civilians who always pay the highest price.
In the case of the Iraq invasion and occupation, the journalists who have placed themselves in danger most often are local Iraqi journalists.
Some 116 Iraqi journalists and media workers have been*killed*in the line of duty since March 2003.
In all, 189 journalists have been killed in Iraq.
At least 16 of these journalists were killed by the US military, according to the*Committee to Protect Journalists.
The network that has most often found itself under US attack is Al Jazeera.
As I wrote a few years ago in*The Nation:
The United States bombed its offices in Afghanistan in 2001, shelled the Basra hotel where Al Jazeera journalists were the only guests in April 2003, killed Iraq correspondent Tareq Ayoub a few days later in Baghdad and imprisoned several Al Jazeera reporters (including at Guantánamo), some of whom say they were tortured.
In addition to the military attacks, the US-backed Iraqi government banned the network from reporting in Iraq.

Just a few days before Bush allegedly proposed bombing the network, Al Jazeera’s correspondent in Falluja, Ahmed Mansour, reported live on the air,
“Last night we were targeted by some tanks, twice…but we escaped. The US wants us out of Falluja, but we will stay.”
On April 9 Washington demanded that Al Jazeera leave the city as a condition for a cease-fire. The network refused.
Mansour wrote that the next day “American fighter jets fired around our new location, and they bombed the house where we had spent the night before, causing the death of the house owner Mr. Hussein Samir.
Due to the serious threats we had to stop broadcasting for few days because every time we tried to broadcast the fighter jets spotted us we became under their fire.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22678.htm

 
Now in this regard, ISIS hopes to convert all places to Islam by force, its in their agenda. We either see their supporters, or passive bystanders, but not a Muslim voice that says the contrary and is as strong. So Islam gets a bad name.

If you think so, you are guilty of not paying attention, and of assuming things about things you have no information of. That's the definition of prejudice.

ISIS has been condemned by pretty much every other Islamic entity that matters in the region.
 
If you think so, you are guilty of not paying attention, and of assuming things about things you have no information of. That's the definition of prejudice.

ISIS has been condemned by pretty much every other Islamic entity that matters in the region.

It is not just ISIS. Do you agree with other terrorist organizations? Charlie Hebdo's cartoons became so offensive for Muslims, but not the state of Pakistan keeping its terror camps and calling itself Islamic, not with all the other organizations like Boko Haram killing children.

The world is wrong in being prejudiced, but prejudice doesn't appear from nowhere. Many of the Islamic laws aren't even mentioned in Quran - women shouldn't drive etc. Certainly, every Muslim country is different. But that is why I asked which leader would you say teaches the Islamic values as they are correct.

Why do murderous leaders have a louder voice in places of the Muslim heartland - they are motivating youth in these wars, but is there anyone speaking against them?

Why does the Muslim world today find itself in a position to invite Americans and those who don't value your religion or culture to save them from their own brothers?
 
Because nobody wants to move.

Everybody has too much to lose and the public is fickle.

...you look at the west and Iraq. They removed Saddam under false pretences.

...we can all agree that his people were under duress but what has since became of Iraq?

Its not as easy as just winning a war.

If it was then poverty in Africa would have been a thing of the past a long time ago.

I guess you are correct though, saving people from themselves is a lot harder than one would imagine.

The west was not invited in the way most people are invited..

Maybe its an invite of desperation.


Not sure about the women driving thing, in an ideal world
Women would be chauffeured around wouldn't they? Almost I guess.. Enforced respect is OK for a while.
 
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Because nobody wants to move.

Everybody has too much to lose and the public is fickle.

...you look at the west and Iraq. Thed Saddam under false pretences.

...we can all agree that his people were under duress but what has since became of Iraq?

Its not as easy as just winning a war.

If it was then poverty in Africa would have been a thing of the past a long time ago.

I guess you are correct though, saving people from themselves is a lot harder than one would imagine.

The west was not invited in the way most people are invited..

Maybe its an invite of desperation.


Not sure about the women driving thing, in an ideal world
Women would be chauffeured around wouldn't they? Almost I guess.. Enforced respect is OK for a while.

In every era some things have to be enforced. There more things that have to be enforced, the more uncivilized man is in that era. If there is a good man, will he violate a woman even if there is no state law? All these rules were made so that you all live in order. But those who took the word of God, used their knowledge and charisma for evil and built their own world.

Imagine now if you and your father had a quarrel. You are in great rage against your father. A stranger sees this and offers you a fine sword to slay your brother. Will you take it?
 
*your father (mistyped as brother). The easy solutions are not beneficial. But this leadership must come from the Muslim heartland, as it will, eventually.
 
Salaam

Another comment piece.

The sinister, screeching mob who want to kill free speech (And no, I DON'T mean the Islamist terrorists in our midst)

Once again we are ruled by a Dictatorship of Grief. Ever since the death of Princess Diana, we have been subject to these periodic spasms when everyone is supposed to think and say the same thing, or else.

We were told on Friday that ‘politicians from all sides’ had lined up to attack Ukip’s Nigel Farage for supposedly ‘exploiting’ the Paris massacre.

Mr Farage had (quite reasonably) pointed out that the presence of Islamist fanatics in our midst might have something to do with, a) uncontrolled mass migration from the Muslim world, and b) decades of multicultural refusal to integrate them into our laws and customs.

Rather than disputing this with facts and logic (admittedly this would be hard), the three ‘mainstream’ parties joined in screeching condemnation.

The Prime Minister, whose government was busy exploiting the tragedy to shore up the (already vast) snooping powers of the State, said it was not the day to make political arguments.

Why ever not? What could be more political than discussing how to defend ourselves against this sort of crime? If it is not political, then why is he talking about it at all, instead of leaving the matter to the Archbishop of Canterbury?

The Home Secretary, Theresa May, a hungry headline-seeker and reliable sucker for any scheme to diminish freedom that her civil servants drop on her desk, said Mr Farage was ‘irresponsible’.

Why? Was he any less irresponsible than the chief of that sinister organisation MI5, who seized his chance to make our flesh creep with scare stories, and simultaneously apologise in advance for not actually being able to protect us?

Dame Tessa Jowell squeaked that the Ukip leader’s remarks were ‘sickening’. Why? Ed Miliband, whose very job as Leader of the Opposition depends on the belief that disagreement is a good thing in a free country, moaned that Mr Farage was ‘seeking to divide us’.

The Liberal Democrat Nick Clegg said Mr Farage was ‘making political points’ on the ‘back of bloody murders’.

Well, who wasn’t? A sanctimonious unanimity descended on politics and the media. ‘Je suis Charlie,’ everyone said. It was an issue of liberty, we all said. They can’t silence us, stop us drawing cartoons, etc etc etc.

Great mountains of adjectives piled up on every corner, much like those hills of flowers and teddy bears we like to place at the scenes of tragedies.

You can feel the presence of the snarling conformist mob, waiting for some dissenter on whom they can fall, kicking and biting. So-called social media, in fact an intolerant and largely brainless electronic mob, has made this much worse since the sad death of the Princess.

We should stand up to them. It is especially strange that this conformism claims to speak in the name of freedom, when in fact it doesn’t much like freedom at all.

I suggest that we actually think about this. Of course, we all deplore the murder and grieve for the dead and the bereaved. I don’t need David Cameron or Tessa Jowell to tell me that, thanks.

But for the rest, there’s quite a lot of posing going on. Very few newspapers, magazines or TV stations have published or ever will publish the cartoons of Mohammed that Charlie Hebdo printed.

Let us be frank. One major reason for this is fear. We know that Muslims take this very seriously, and that some of them take it very seriously indeed.

Let us agree it was brave to publish these images. That’s easy for me. I know I wouldn’t do it, and I readily acknowledge that I am a coward.

But it also required compulsory bravery on the part of others, especially the police officers, some of them Muslim, laudably and selflessly guarding people they may not have liked or approved of. Not to mention all the others caught in the crossfire.
And what was the purpose of this bravery? What cause, anywhere in the world, was advanced by it? Surely the point of bravery is that it is self-sacrificial for a purpose, to save others? Who was saved by this?

As for freedom, here’s an interesting thing. The French Leftist newspaper Liberation reported on September 12, 1996, that three stalwarts of Charlie Hebdo (including Stephane ‘Charb’ Charbonnier) had campaigned in their magazine to collect more than 170,000 signatures for a petition calling for a ban on the French National Front party. They did this in the name of the ‘Rights of Man’.

You, like me, may dislike the National Front greatly. But lovers of liberty simply do not seek to ban parties they do not like.

This is a double paradox. The French National Front exists mainly because a perfectly reasonable concern about mass immigration was sneeringly dismissed by the mainstream French parties. Something similar is happening in Germany, where large demonstrations against ‘the Islamisation of the West’ in many cities have been scornfully attacked by that country’s elite.

If reasonable calls for restrictions on immigration had been heeded when they were first made, right across Europe, would we now be in the mess we are in? If it is officially regarded as irresponsible, or ‘exploitation’, or ‘sickening’, or ‘divisive’ to say this, then we do not live in freedom, and those who claim to speak in its name are not telling the truth.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/page/2/
 
Salaam

And another

Don't like the PC mob? Well now that makes you a terror threat

We are on the verge of founding Britain’s first Thought Police. Using the excuse of terrorism – whose main victim is considered thought – Theresa May’s Home Office is making a law which attacks free expression in this country as it has never been attacked before.

We already have some dangerous laws on the books. The Civil Contingencies Act can be used to turn Britain into a dictatorship overnight, if politicians can find an excuse to activate it.

But the Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill, now slipping quietly and quickly through Parliament, is in a way even worse. It tells us what opinions we should have, or should not have.

As ever, terrorism is the pretext. Yet there is no evidence to suggest that the criminal drifters, school drop-outs and drug-addled losers who do much terrorist dirty work (and whose connections with vast worldwide conspiracies are sketchy to say the least) will be even slightly affected by it.

In a consultation paper attached to the Bill, all kinds of institutions, from nursery schools (yes really, see paragraph 107) to universities, are warned that they must be on the lookout for ‘extremists’.

But universities are told they have a ‘responsibility to exclude those promoting extremist views that support or are conducive to terrorism’.

Those words ‘conducive to’ are so vague that they could include almost anybody with views outside the mainstream.

What follows might have come from the laws of the Chinese People’s Republic or Mr Putin’s Russia. Two weeks’ advance notice of meetings must be given so that speakers can be checked up on, and the meeting cancelled if necessary.

Warning must also be given of the topic, ‘sight of any presentations, footage to be broadcast, etc’. A ‘risk assessment’ must be made on whether the meeting should be cancelled altogether, compelled to include an opposing speaker or (even more creepy) ‘someone in the audience to monitor the event’.

Institutions will be obliged to promote ‘British values’. These are defined as ‘democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance for those with different faiths and beliefs’. ‘Vocal and active opposition’ to any of these is now officially described as ‘extremism’.

Given authority’s general scorn for conservative Christianity, and its quivering, obsequious fear of Islam, it is easy to see how the second half will be applied in practice. As for ‘democracy’, plenty of people (me included) are not at all sure we have it, and wouldn’t be that keen on it if we did.

Am I then an ‘extremist’ who should be kept from speaking at colleges? Quite possibly. But the same paragraph (89, as it happens) goes further. ‘We expect institutions to encourage students to respect other people with particular regard to the protected characteristics set out in the Equality Act 2010’.

These ‘protected characteristics’, about which we must be careful not to be ‘extremist’, are in fact the pillars of political correctness – including disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, sex and sexual orientation.

The Bill is terrible in many other ways. And there is no reason to believe that any of these measures would have prevented any of the terrorist murders here or abroad, or will do so in future.

They have been lifted out of the box marked ‘try this on the Home Secretary during a national panic’, by officials who long to turn our free society into a despotism.

Once, there would have been enough wise, educated, grown-up people in both Houses of Parliament to stand up against this sort of spasm. Now most legislators go weak at the knees like simpering teenage groupies whenever anyone from the ‘Security’ or ‘Intelligence’ services demands more power and more money.

So far there has been nothing but a tiny mouse-squeak of protest against this dangerous, anti-British, concrete-headed twaddle. It will go through. And in ten years’ time we’ll wonder why we’re locking people up for thinking. We’ll ask: ‘How did that happen?’ This is how it happens.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
 
Here's an interesting perspective on how things are being steered and manipulated.
Although i do not necessarily agree with all points mentioned in the article, i am posting it for the sake of understanding what i believe to be a sincere perspective of another non-dumbass human being.


Monday’s episode of Panorama on “British Islam” was calculated propaganda in support of the UK government’s proposed Counter-Terrorism and Security (CTS) bill, writes*Dilly Hussain......

.....In comparison, Ware’s programme lacked any academic basis to substantiate his narrative.*What should have been renamed as ‘Paranoia..........

http://5pillarsuk.com/2015/01/14/panorama-or-paranoia-the-fallacy-of-the-us-and-them-narrative/

'A*society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts,*
who refuse to believe that their*government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts,
is a*society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it's going to*get.'

Ian Williams Goddard
 
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Things won't remain as they are for very long.
Mankind will either submit to God (who is the Creator of the heavens and the earth who will judge us ultimately) - or we're going to see something bigger than 9/11 and a clash of faith and infidelity, the current financial system is about to crash hard and the usurers are poised to introduce electronic currency with harsh draconian laws with the protection of dajjal subdued governments under the guise of protection and order, with the attempted introduction of kufr world government.

They want all possibility of mass control of resources out of the people's control and all transactions traced.

Time to stock up on storable food in anticipation for price surges and gandhi style home sit-ins.

Looks like lots of fasting and prayers ahead.

Then victory of faith on Earth or day of judgement.

I just hope we collectively take the option of submission to God.

And Allah knows best.

I know it sounds crazy to some but you're about to see a huge change.

"The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all*diverting.
It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway.
I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had.
There was no need to.
Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within,
that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us.
UNconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?"

To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop.

Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to......one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing......One day it is over his head.


An excerpt from:

They Thought They Were Free

The Germans, 1933-45

Milton Mayer


[/quote]

That was in the days of nation states.

"We are on the verge of global transformation. *All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order"*

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States,**characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global**political*and economic structure--one world, if you will.
*If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it"

Memoirs, p.405*

*"We are grateful to*The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine*and other great publications whose directors have attended**our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. *It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the**world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years.
*But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to**march towards a world government. *
The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the**national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

1991

If they take the kufr route, they'll ultimately be helping to wake mankind up and understanding that God cares/cared about us.
And setting the stage for the flobal Khilafah.
We won't need to break up the nation states and do all that difficult expensive work in setting up a global government.
But we gonna go through difficulty - so fasten ur seatbelts.




1.*When comes the Help of Allah, and Victory,
2.*And thou dost see the people enter Allah's Way of Life in crowds,
3.*Celebrate the praises of thy Lord, and pray for His Forgiveness: For He is Oft-Returning (in Grace and Mercy).

Heads or Tails Rothschild?
God says Checkmate anyways.
Repent, and Submit, makes things easier for us all.
 
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