Pepsi has alcohol too?!

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

Whoa, how did we go from "Pepsi is bad because it is acidic" to "Pepsi is junk food and junk food is bad, therefore Pepsi is bad"? Moving the goalposts, are we?

So this thread isn't really meant to debate, we're just supposed to stand in awe and receive bro Jedi's grand wisdom?

I challenged him on a basic point of (bio)chemistry. Even if Pepsi would otherwise be the most dangerous substance, that would not imply that he is right on the point he made, which is that the ability to clear rust implies that a foodstuff is harmful.

Why is pepsi even a debatable subject? What are you trying to debate exactly? It's bad all around lol, unless you want to tell us that we should be consuming it, if so, please enlighten us as to why.

You don't have to stand in awe of anyone, in fact, you don't have to accept anything on this thread, the OP started it to warn us that it may contain alcohol, and others chimed in giving other reasons why it is harmful, you are just choosing to focus on one person and one reason The subject of it being a junk food was spoken of already, so I'm not taking this thread anywhere it hasn't been already.

I'm no bio-chemist so forgive my rustiness (no pun intended lol) it's been a few years since I study the subject.

Colas are known for being handy to clean toilets and remove rust as cola contains phosphoric acid, which is found in heavy duty cleaners. Cola is as acidic as vinegar, both are around 2.5-ish on the Ph scale (drinking vinegar straight will eat at the throat and stomach lining). You can't taste the acidity in cola because it is covered up with sugar and diluted in liquid, so it is easier to consume than vinegar.

Some people say it is the phosphoric acid in cola that is the culprit, however, I feel it isn't the phosphoric acid alone that causes the issues. Some foods contain more phosphorus naturally than a can of cola, however, not only is it naturally occurring phosphorous; you can't clear rust with a piece of cheese or a handful of sesame seeds. So, it can be the combination of ingredients in the cola (I'd say the amount of sugar in it is more harmful than the amount of phosphoric acid), it doesn't really matter though. Why would you put something that is powerful enough to eat through rust in your body?

There's several ways to look at this, and none of the ways will say that consuming cola is good for you. Harming one's body is forbidden, full stop. So I mean, go on and debate it if you wish. I'm not sure why it's necessary though...

- cOsMiC

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I have an idea. Let´s go to buy bottle of Coca Cola or Pepsi, then put nail inside and wait how long it takes that nail will melt to there. I think we need to wait quite long time.

;D

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

In matters pertaining to 'halaal' and 'haraam' in our deen, it is best to approach one who is learned in the field to avoid being misguided, insha Allah.

The question being asked: 'Pepsi has alcohol too?' :

Question

Questions regarding coke. There are various articles, on the net saying coke contains alcohol, is it haraam or not, yet many muslims are still drinking it, what would be your advice or verdict halal or haraam or another.


Answer

Principally, if the alcohol is extracted from grapes or dates it is not
permissible. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Khamr (wine) is
from these two trees, dates and grapes.' (Mishkãt p. 317).

Furthermore, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'Alcohol itself
is prohibited and intoxication in every other beverage.' (Hidaaya vol. 4 p.
497).

In view of the abovementioned Hadith, since the alcohol in coke is from
ethanol which is fermented from sugar cane mollasses and does not
intoxicate, it is permissible.

However, if one is doubtful, he may exercise
precaution and abstain.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

^ The above response is from http://askimam.org/public/question_detail/2972.html , which provides fatwas and advice based on the Hanafi madhab.



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[~Zaria~]

With regards to its effects on health, please consider the following:

1. Many beverages, e.g fruit juices as well as other foods contain acidic mediums.
There have been a number of studies looking at the effect of acidic soft drinks on enamel erosion.

E.g. From this particular study: Impact of modified acidic soft drinks on enamel erosion,

the investigators compared the effects of A: Coca-Cola, B: Sprite, C: Sprite light,D: orange juice on tooth enamel

Extracts from the paper:

Frequent contact of the dentition with exogenous acids, originating from acidic food or beverages might result in dental erosion (Zero, 1996).

Evidence shows that erosion is strongly correlated with the frequency and amount of soft drink intake (Lussi and Schaffner, 2000; Moazzez et al, 2000; O’Sullivan and Curzon, 2000; Al Majed et al, 2002; Johansson et al, 2002; Lussi et al, 2002).

The enamel loss recorded for the samples rinsed with original Sprite and original orange juice was significantly higher as compared with all other solutions
(P ¼ 0.001).
Lowest loss, as compared with the other original solutions, was recorded for the original Coca- Cola group (P ¼ 0.001).

The least erosive loss of enamel was observed for Coca-Cola, which was the only beverage containing phosphoric acid, while the other beverages contained citric acid.

In former studies, it was already shown that citric acid is an ingredient of acidic beverages, which demonstrate severe demineralizing potential (Lussi et al, 1995; Attin et al, 1997). The erosive potential of citric acid is pronounced because of the fact that citric acid acts as a chelator able to bind minerals of the apatite, such as calcium.

2. Islam is a very simple and practical religion, and it emphasises moderation in all facets of life.

We are all aware of the harmful effects of junk food - including sweets, cakes, biscuits, chips, fried foods, and soft drinks.
But this does not mean that we should stop consuming these items.
If we are able to practise moderation in our diet, then insha Allah, there is no problem with enjoying these products now and again.

In the same way that we will not stop consuming orange juice (and other fruit juices), even though the above study shows it to have a more detrimental effect on enamel......the same should apply to other beverages as well.

What is haraam for us is clear.
If we stay away from what has been prohibited, and what may be doubtful.....and with everything else, adopt moderation - then insha Allah, there is nothing to fear.

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[~Zaria~]

Finally, please do not believe everything you may come across on the net.

It is truly becoming increasingly difficult to establish truth from falsehood nowadays - esp. in an era where kids can create very professional-looking YouTube videos, and anyone can have a say in just about anything.

For our own sakes, if we come across something that we are unsure/ doubtful of, contact an expert in that particular field, or the company/ person involved directly to verify.

With regards to Coca Cola, they have a web-page that trys to dispel some of the 'rumours' that are floating around the internet:

http://www.coca-colacompany.com/contact-us/coca-cola-rumors-facts

Specifically - to its health effects, they mention the following:

1. Rumor: Coca-Cola can be used as a household cleaner
   
   
   Fact
   
   This rumor has taken on many forms, claiming that Coca-Cola, due to its acidic nature, can be used to clean toilets and corrosion from car batteries, loosen a rusted bolt and remove rust spots from car bumpers, remove grease from clothing, clean road haze from windshields, clean highways after traffic accidents, cook a steak, dissolve teeth, and bake a moist ham.
   
   
   This rumor mentions that baking a ham basted with Coca-Cola produces a delicious gravy -- and that is definitely true! We are unaware of any state patrol officers using Coke for any purpose other than refreshment. Plain water or vinegar would be as effective and less costly for cleaning pavement. Vinegar, naturally acidic, is used as a household cleaner and also a common ingredient in marinades and salad dressings. Soaking an egg in vinegar causes the shell to soften -- an expected outcome because acid breaks down protein structure. Yet vinegar is completely safe as a food ingredient and enhances the flavor of many foods.
   
   
   Soaking something in a soft drink or rubbing something with a cloth soaked in a soft drink is not at all like drinking a soft drink. People don't hold soft drinks in their mouths for long periods of time, nor rub their teeth with fabric soaked in soft drinks, so it doesn't make sense to extend these possible affects to normal use of the product. Because our teeth are constantly bathed by saliva, which helps buffer the effects of acids from foods and beverages, the effect on tooth enamel is greatly reduced. In fact, the acids in most foods are neutralized to a large degree by the saliva in the mouth long before they reach the stomach.
   
   
   There is a small amount of edible acid present in many foods, including fruit juices, buttermilk, and soft drinks, such as Coca-Cola. These foods are not acidic enough to harm your body tissues -- in fact, your own natural stomach acid is stronger. It is possible that the edible acid in any of these products could have the effects described, even though it's still quite safe to drink these products. However, we don't make any claims relating to other uses. Instead, we recommend using products specifically designed for cleaning or rust removal.
   
   
   The rumors about disappearing teeth, nails, steaks and various other objects are just that -- rumors. These stories continue to spring up and get recycled because each new generation finds them hard to ignore, but they simply are not true.

May Allah (subhanawataála) guide us towards all that is beneficial to us, and protect us from all that is harmful to our bodies and our imaans.
Ameen


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[Futuwwa]

Colas are known for being handy to clean toilets and remove rust as cola contains phosphoric acid, which is found in heavy duty cleaners. Cola is as acidic as vinegar, both are around 2.5-ish on the Ph scale (drinking vinegar straight will eat at the throat and stomach lining). You can't taste the acidity in cola because it is covered up with sugar and diluted in liquid, so it is easier to consume than vinegar.

And yet, lemon juice has an even lower pH, but it is considered healthy and good for you because of its high vitamin C content. Even though the vitamin itself is an acid, know as ascorbic acid.

Stomach lining? The stomach itself contains far stronger acids for digestion. If getting acid in your stomach was harmful like that, we'd all be dead already.

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

I brought up the phosphoric acid because it is one claim people make, if you read carefully through my post you'll see that. As I said, personally I don't feel its the phosphoric acid in itself.

We don't drink lemon juice straight, or cups of it either do we? The fruit is small, meaning we are to consume it in small amounts, and in most cases just a few squeezes of it. We certainly don't drink shots of vinegar or vinegar beverages. People who consume soft drinks do not consume it in small amounts (for the most part). Stuff like orange juice and these kind of products, they are not natural. Compare a tiny glass of freshly squeezed orange juice to a glass of the boxed stuff.... I mean really. *sigh*

Honestly, I don't understand (actually I do u_u ) why people in the medical field of all places can come here in say, yes it is bad, but we don't have to stop consuming stuff like this, just have it with moderation. We see how widespread disease is yet still give people that kind of advice? People with MS have made turnarounds by changing their diet and removing those kind of items, people with endocrine diseases do the same all the time, including myself! Had I kept following that kind of advice.... I don't even wanna think about it.

Although I do agree, we should not believe everything on the net, not all of us come to our conclusions and findings through their net, perhaps lazy people do, and kids also. Don't believe everything textbooks either, as those are but summaries of real literature compiled by somebody else and they will shape the way you learn and see things according to how they want you to see it. Textbooks are made so students don't have to work as hard and read actual literature, like that of Ibn Sina etc.

Why would we contact pepsico directly if we have questions about their products, you really think they would be sincere? right.

If packaged and canned food was so good for us, why didn't any of our prophets (peace be upon them) consume them? Because "that wasn't available at their time". pffft. right.

To each own. I know it is difficult to stay away from this stuff, really I do. That doesn't make them any less harmful, if people want to justify trashing their bodies, then by all means. We all are accountable for what we do individually.

ETA: By the way, cola being used for cleaning is no rumor, I've had to do it in apinch on several occasions myself. It works just as good as... LEMON AND VINEGAR! food for thought. lol no pun intended.

- cOsMiC

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Actually I love to eat lemon. I just peel off it and eat like an orange.

If it has some acid... I am still alive and 46.

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

I eat lemons like this on occasion too. I ate them often when I was a kid, but as an adult I had to back off though cuz I get really bad stomach aches if I have more than one This isn't the point now though is it?

People smoke all their lives and are alive until their 80's. So is what they are consuming and the manner in which they consume it okay? People do all sorts of nasty stuff to their body and survive it. It doesn't make it right. Just because a person is alive after abusing their bodies doesn't mean they are in good health. For example, cancer develops many many years before it is detected... same goes for many other diseases, by the time they surface it is because they are already advancing, meaning the disease came about way before. Yet this person went about whatever it is they were doing thinking "well i been doing it all my life and I'm fine."

That's why I don't really get the arguments on this thread. It seems like people like to argue for the sake of arguing and being right. imsad in spite of the rise in disease , as if it wasn't obvious enough we're doing things wrong.

What ever happened to tying one's camel? You know, taking precaution and avoiding things that are obviously harmful. Why the need to justify bad habits?

anyway, i gotta go work. Salaam

- cOsMiC