Petition UK Government to support traditional marriage

[tearose]

Yes it would be lovely to implement the full shari' position but at the moment that is not possible.

I realise that we cannot implement it but I also don't see how we can sign up to a definition that opposes it.
I would rather get a scholar's opinion before taking any action.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I realise that we cannot implement it but I also don't see how we can sign up to a definition that opposes it.
I would rather get a scholar's opinion before taking any action.

of course and I commend you for wanting a scholars opinion may Allah enlighten your status.

but as for going against our position, one man and one woman marrying is not against our position lol. if anything our position is more then that but that also defines the majority of the way muslims marry right?

 

[tearose]

It may be a worthy cause to write to this group, explaining why as muslims, the actual petition does not reflect our islamic beliefs.

They say that: "It reaches out to people of all faiths"

and: "The Coalition draws upon a substantial body of evidence showing that marriage – as it has been understood for thousands of years – is beneficial to society...."

If they wish to be true to their word, then they would want to unite with other faiths......and it can be explained to them that polygamy was not introduced by Islam, but was a practise that preceded it for generations.

By agreeing to the actual clause that appears on signing the petition - this would be in contradiction to the law of Allah (subhanawataála).


JazakAllahu khayrun for highlighting this for us.

wa iyyaki. That's a good idea sister - I'm not sure if it is too late to change it but we can definitely try in sha Allah. Thank you for the suggestion.

 

[tearose]

as for going against our position, one man and one woman marrying is not against our position lol. if anything our position is more then that but that also defines the majority of the way muslims marry right?

No that part is not against it, it's the part that says 'to the exclusion of all others' and the part that says 'we oppose any attempt to redefine it'. I don't see how we can say we oppose what Allah subhanahu wa taala has made permissible even if the majority of Muslims' marriages are only one man and one woman. If the wording was different I don't think it would be a problem.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

No that part is not against it, it's the part that says 'to the exclusion of all others' and the part that says 'we oppose any attempt to redefine it'. I don't see how we can say we oppose what Allah subhanahu wa taala has made permissible even if the majority of Muslims' marriages are only one man and one woman. If the wording was different I don't think it would be a problem.

i see your point

 

[IAmZamzam]

I am growing a little weary of everyone talking like all they're doing is "enjoining people to do something" and "making their voices heard". Petition or no petition what you're talking about here is supporting a position which forces people to be unable to legally do something which you can't stop them from illegally doing anyway, and compelling them to stop something because of your own religious beliefs (instead of properly changing things for the better--assuming that they need to be changed), and all the euphemisms in the world are never going to change that.

 

[White Rose]

because of your own religious beliefs

Well isn't that a definition of a community?

As for properly changing things, not sure what exactly is the definition of that. Some would say invading a country and oppressing them is proper.:?

 

[IAmZamzam]

The definition of a community is a society. The definition of properly changing things is persuading people to change on their own, and leave it up to heaven to do the judging and enforcing over morals. You know, the way a prophet like Lot would.

 

[White Rose]

The definition of a community is a society. The definition of properly changing things is persuading people to change on their own, and leave it up to heaven to do the judging and enforcing over morals. You know, the way a prophet like Lot would.

Okay.

So leave everything to the heaven and not make any effort. Can you do the same when it comes to earning?

 

[tearose]

Just to let everyone know that I sent a message to the coalition as suggested by sister Zaria, jazaki Allahu khair ukhti, I hope you don't mind that I borrowed some of your ideas when I wrote to them.

In sha Allah, I will post their reply on this thread as soon as I hear from them.

 

[~Zaria~]

Just to let everyone know that I sent a message to the coalition as suggested by sister Zaria, jazaki Allahu khair ukhti, I hope you don't mind that I borrowed some of your ideas when I wrote to them.

In sha Allah, I will post their reply on this thread as soon as I hear from them.

MashaAllah sister, Im very happy to hear this : )

None of these ideas belong to me - whatever good has been said, is solely due to the Allah (subhanawataála), and His mercy upon us.
Alhamdulillah.

Im eager to know of their response!

And dont forget to make duaá that Allah Taa'la places an understanding and a softness in the hearts of those who read your letter. He is able to do anything!

Great stuff ukthi!!

:wasalamex

 

[IAmZamzam]

Okay.

So leave everything to the heaven and not make any effort. Can you do the same when it comes to earning?

What you earn in this life is the effects of to what extent your efforts have gone in the right direction. "Not making an effort to change things by way of force = not making an effort, period" is a false dilemma.

 

[White Rose]

What you earn in this life is the effects of to what extent your efforts have gone in the right direction. "Not making an effort to change things by way of force = not making an effort, period" is a false dilemma.

I think I will end the discussion here since its purely based on opinions.

 

[YusufNoor]

there are 2 aspects to this issue: the first is that the "issue" is being used as an attack on religion by those who care not for anyone's feelings. they just want to stop religion and religious people from procreating, which results in fewer religious people. i DO NOT support that, it is a good reason to sign the petition, ie, to impeded attacks on religion.

HOWEVER, there is the issue of gay people themselves. not very many of them are "gay on purpose in order to defy God", instead a lot of them feel that they were "born that way". they are NOT trying to offend God and are merely seeking the same benefits as other married couples, for them, i support the issue. one of the reasons is that in a secular society, everyone one has rights...for the most part. it is those SAME rights that allow us to exist as religious people in a secular society. if people can be banned from marriage for being gay, then Muslims could be banned from being married for being Muslims one day. (don't think they won't try it.)

if people want to ban something that they feel is evil, let's petition to ban shirk or polytheism. THAT is the only unforgivable sin.

actually, i could see "gay marriage" banned in a Muslim country, it isn't illogical. but i find it very odd for a "Christian" to think it should be banned, what with the "Jesus died for all my sins, so i basically have carte blanche to do anything that i want." if you feel that is so, then any sin you think they are committing is automatically forgiven. (i'm not saying that it makes sense, but it isn't my religion.) in Islam, your shahadah only clears you of past sins, you ARE ACCOUNTABLE for ALL of them after that.

how about if we just ban people from talking about who, or what, they are having sex with? i DO NOT need to know, no one does.

for all i know, some gay people may get to Jannah eons before i do, IF i do, Allahu Alam.

let's make sex PRIVATE! but a ban on shirk or polytheism...i could probably go for that! (but the Christians wouldn't be in support of it now, would they? ;D)

 

[tearose]

As-salamu 3laikum, Here is the response I received from the coalition for marriage: 'Thank you for your email to the Coalition for Marriage (C4M) dated 31 March 2013, which has been
passed on to me for reply. We greatly welcome your taking the trouble to contact us, and I am glad
of the opportunity to explain why the wording of C4M's petition is as it is.

We are aware that a number of otherwise sympathetic supporters might have wished, for a variety of
reasons, the wording of the petition to be different.

However, the Coalition for Marriage (C4M) was set up in February 2012 with just one clear and
uncomplicated aim - to campaign for the retention of the existing definition of marriage under English
law.

That definition is derived from a legal case in the English High Court in the year 1866, and the wording
of our petition follows the wording of this legal definition precisely.

Consequently, in defending the present legal definition of marriage, we had no alternative but to base
the wording of our petition on the current legal wording, which is what we have done.

Our petition has now been signed by more than 653,000 people, including many Muslims, for whose
support we are very grateful. I expect that they all prefer the present monogamous definition of marriage
to the alternative definition proposed by the government in the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill 2013.

With all good wishes, ......'

 

[Karl]

If you feel that marriage between one man and one woman is sacred, then consider signing this petition please, UK residents only.
Hmmmm what about polygamy and child marriage? This only one man one woman marriage stance does not support Islam. I suppose the UK is secularist so homosexuals could marry under the Greco Roman pagan gods or the Syrian god Elagabal or homosexual Hindu gods, in India some women marry dogs or snakes.

 

[tearose]

As-salamu 3laikum,

Did anyone ever find any alternative ways that would be suitable for Muslims to oppose the bill? Did the bill get passed?

 

[Insaanah]

Did anyone ever find any alternative ways that would be suitable for Muslims to oppose the bill? Did the bill get passed?

15 July 2013 Last updated at 17:57

Gay marriage: Peers approve legislation

Same-sex marriage in England and Wales is a step closer to becoming law after the House of Lords approved the change.

Peers backed a government bill paving the way for gay couples to marry. It is set to become law by the end of the week, with the first weddings in 2014.

Continues here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23320624