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piXie said:
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Sorry but the other thread was closed and since the discussion is about pictures, I thought I'd reply here.



Im not saying it's haram or halal but if I knew a member removed the words of Allah from their avatar because of an animal picture I had chosen, I would change my avatar immediately.
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Why would I remove a dog, a creature that اللهُ created because someone else is offended by that? Do I need to modify my behaviour because of people's absurd (sorry but I find it silly) disposition towards hating these animals.

I have seen how some Muslims in Muslim countries treat dogs and it is horrible. They throw rocks at them and then say that the dog is dirty and against Islam..... The dog is not against Islam, it was created by اللهُ.
 
farhan said:
Keeping a pig and looking at a pig are 2 different things. This thread is about displaying a picture of the pig.

For keeping a pig please discuss in the other thread: http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-support/134333082-cant-eat-pork-2.html

With regards to looking at a pig, I found a relevant fatwa.

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http://en.islamtoday.net/quesshow-153-1901.htm
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About showing kindness to animals and animal rights etc. I read an event in the book "In the footsteps of the Prophet" by Dr. Tariq ramadan. I forgot the actual source he mentioned for it.
When the Prophet S.A.W. called the people to join to go take Makkah, after the treaty was broken. The Prophet was leading big masses of People towards Makkah. Even at that time the mercy of the Prophet was so great towars animals, that he saw some puppies in way, so he instructed a group of companions to make stand around those puppies so that they may not be hurt by the movement of the people.
This incident really hit me, as even at that critical moment of life, the Prophet S.A.W did not neglect taking care if small animals. :)
 
Bhabha said:
Why would I remove a dog, a creature that اللهُ created because someone else is offended by that? Do I need to modify my behaviour because of people's absurd (sorry but I find it silly) disposition towards hating these animals.

I have seen how some Muslims in Muslim countries treat dogs and it is horrible. They throw rocks at them and then say that the dog is dirty and against Islam..... The dog is not against Islam, it was created by اللهُ.
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What some of (rather majority :P) the people do to animals in muslim countries is not Islamic at all. Surely the Prophet was sent as a blessing to all the creature and worlds. The Prophet himself dealt with the animals very gently.
But again what else can be expected from people, they treat even the humans in the same way ;D
 
2day on ib.. attack on pig, attack on dog

wat next?? ;D ;D
 
Bhabha said:
Why would I remove a dog, a creature that اللهُ created because someone else is offended by that? Do I need to modify my behaviour because of people's absurd (sorry but I find it silly) disposition towards hating these animals.

I have seen how some Muslims in Muslim countries treat dogs and it is horrible. They throw rocks at them and then say that the dog is dirty and against Islam..... The dog is not against Islam, it was created by اللهُ.
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This is not an issue of hating dogs or treating them badly and if some Muslims do that then they are sinful. The dog was created by Allah but it is an animal which has specific laws around it such as washing 7x , the Angel didn't enter the house of the prophet :saws: when there was a dog there. It doesn't mean that we hate dogs or treat them badly but at the same time a lot of Muslims wouldn't display a picture of a dog on their avatar or wall especially when the words of Allah are on the same page or wall, and sometimes even appearing under it. It is just a matter of respect towards the words of Allah and that we hold them in high regard. Similar to when we read the Quran we don't place it on the floor while reading or otherwise.
 
It is also interesting that Quran mentions only a dog with a company of believers..It is in Surah Kahf..Some think this dog is the only animal which is going to Jannah...According to the tradition the dog's name is Al-Rakim..In Turkey it is famous as Kitmir :)

Quran 18:18 And you might think them awake while they were asleep and We turned them about to the right and to the left, while their dog (lay) outstretching its paws at the entrance; if you looked at them you would certainly turn back from them in flight, and you would certainly be filled with awe because of them.

Quran 18:22 "(Some) say: (They are) three, the fourth of them being their dog; and (others) say: Five, the sixth of them being their dog, making conjectures at what is unknown; and (others yet) say: Seven, and the eighth of them is their dog. Say: My Lord best knows their number, none knows them but a few; therefore contend not in the matter of them but with an outward contention, and do not question concerning them any of them."
 
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najimuddin said:


Does this permissibility also apply to using pictures of dogs and pigs for aesthetic purposes?

(i.e. hanging them on the wall in your house, using them as avatars, etc.)
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Assalaamu alaikum Najimuddin,

If you look above, Farhan found a fatwa on this topic. that I think answers your question: http://en.islamtoday.net/quesshow-153-1901.htm


JazakAllah khairan.


 
Sister101 said:
I didn't give my opinion akhi, I asked you for proof for your opinion. Farhan has already brought proof that looking at pigs is permissible. I don't use images so I still wouldn't use it, but you haven't brought proof that it's impermissible. If there is an opinion that says it's impermissible I would like to know so that I can learn Insha' Allah.
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K sorry for being abrupt, ill find authentic evidences and post inshaALLAH
 
I asked many salafi scholars about the pics issue regarding it being against the word of god. No one knew what I was talking about. Even the strict ones
 
Saleem Khan said:
I asked many salafi scholars about the pics issue regarding it being against the word of god. No one knew what I was talking about. Even the strict ones
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:salam:

Let us all step back and look at the bigger picture (excuse the pun) here.

There are some things that are halaal, some things that are haraam. There are some things, which may not outright be haraam, yet may not be desirable or appropriate for an Islamic forum.

Islamic forums are supposed to be like online Islamic centers where people come to learn about Islam. Islamic centers should have a spiritual feel to them, an Islamic feel. Generally such spiritual places do not put up pictures of things that are forbidden to consume or utilize in any form. You generally don't even find pictures of pigs in a church or synagogue.

Imagine you visit an Islamic center, not necessarily a Masjid, but a place where few Muslims gather to learn or discuss anything related to Islam. And there you find a pictures of all these animals hung on the wall. Would that give an Islamic feel to it? Or having some Ayah, or Hadeeth, or pictures of a Masjid?

We need to work towards forging an Islamic feel, atmosphere and spirit for Islamicboard forum. This would include not only avoiding pictures of forbidden things, but also avoiding unnecessary chat between opposite genders, avoiding unnecessary private contact between genders, maintaining hayaa (modesty/shyness) with respect to certain sensitive matters etc.

Please note, that not wanting pictures of such animals displayed, does not equate to an attack on animals or hate for them, nor to not treating a real one with kindness.

I hope that helps to clarify things.
 
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Its fine. I like the part about opposite genders talking to one another freely. That was one of the reason my ustaad that was running sunni forum closed it down.

There is a difference of opinion in digital pics. If they fall in the category of tasweer.

Some ulema feel it is also impermissible others feel it is fine. Its best to remain cautious in such things and follow the view of impermissibility.
 
Pig's meat is dirty to eat. Dog's saliva is dirt to touch. Pig or dog is not "bad". So there can be nothing wrong with pig's or dog's picture. If dog was such a bad animal Allah would not mention it with a group of believers in Quran.

I dont understand how much a big issue is that. I think we have much more deep issues today in Islam and muslim ummah...For example we are killing each other..Why we muslims are killing each other? I dont think it is because of pigs or dogs...
 
Saleem Khan said:
I asked many salafi scholars about the pics issue regarding it being against the word of god. No one knew what I was talking about. Even the strict ones
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:salam:

It seems like the question was not understood properly. This is not a question of pictures of living beings or animals in general, but a question of putting up a picture of dog or swine on a place where we have Islamic discussions, Qur'anic Aayaat and Ahadeeth.


To make it more clear to the respected Mufti sahab,
Is it permissible to hang a picture of dog beside a Qur'anic verse on a wall? Something like this:

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I say it is very disrespectful to the words of Allah and must be taken down. And for anyone who wants to know, I am not Salafi, and I am not very strict either.
 
Considering that the Internet itself is a place where all kinds of discussions take place, and the Internet itself is a venue on which all forms of discussions happen and all sorts of pictures happen and all sorts of videos happen then the discussion of Islam in a technology that also diffuses porn and other perversions should be avoided. Since you are comparing pixels and things that have been transformed from binary code into visible formations.
 
We are talking about this forum in particular, not the internet as a whole.

This forum is supposed to be like an online madrasa, a place where we learn and discuss about Islam.
 
ibn-Adam said:
We are talking about this forum in particular, not the internet as a whole.

This forum is supposed to be like an online madrasa, a place where we learn and discuss about Islam.
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But it isn't. This forum is created on a code. Nothing is tangible on an online forum because the backend to make things visible are de facto codes, html, Css, Java, php and are codes that create online content.

This forum is not in isolation from the code that makes the Internet as a whole. A code that feeds off technology, originally made for military purposes.

You are assigning value and dispositions to a picture, created by pixels and rendered visible through code on an online venue because you don't want it to appear next to other pixelated codes?

People can choose to put whatever pictures they wish for it on the forum. Though considering people go to the bathrooms with their phones and perhaps surf the forum itself with their phones, would it not be less disrespectful to abstain from using the words of the Quran so freely in a forum that can be accessed anywhere.
 
Your analogy is incorrect because a madrasa is also nothing but a building made with bricks. Bricks are used to build anything, a casino or a mosque. Are they same? Do you apply the same ruling to both?
 
ibn-Adam said:
Your analogy is incorrect because a madrasa is also nothing but a building made with bricks. Bricks are used to build anything, a casino or a mosque. Are they same? Do you apply the same ruling to both?
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The building is tangible it has distinct and tangible borders that disable or enable entry into the madrassa. You cannot enter the prayer hall at the same time you enter the washroom. But who is to stop someone from entering the washroom AND simultaneously surfing the forum whilst they are in? You state that the picture of a pig or a dog cannot be in the forum because it exists in the same space as the words of the Quran. However, who is to stop someone from going to the rest room and using this forum? Is that not equally and perhaps more disturbing than a picture of an animal in someone's avatar? You don't like the picture, then don't post in that thread. Simple.
 
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