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HEIGOU ur argument is really full of nonsense. How come the freedom of speech can be practiced by westerners n not by muslims? We kept quiet n you people starting publishing cartoons, and the people reacted by insults christians and atheists? How come they can do one thing? and we r not allowed to do so? There are muslims in america too? Y cant they practice freedom of speech and call ppl names? please, equality. Y do u talk abt banning when a muslim posts a pic? Y dont u talk abt banning wen an idoit drew insulting pics of the prophet?
 
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well u have a point bro ahmed. This is called freedom of speech. But do u want to be associated with such ppl hu uphold freedom of speech n insult one's belief and community. A muslim never insults or speaks rudely, lets nt be like them by putting a flag burning pic. Well i hope some people had their own taste of medicine, n they shld feel how much it hurt us. Other than that, i think we shldnt encourage such things here, by remaining pateint we r only earning allah's happiness, and by being rude we r only being subjects to His wrath.
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:thumbs_up u r very ryt dere sis :giggling:
 
shanu said:
HEIGOU ur argument is really full of nonsense. How come the freedom of speech can be practiced by westerners n not by muslims? We kept quiet n you people starting publishing cartoons, and the people reacted by insults christians and atheists? How come they can do one thing? and we r not allowed to do so? There are muslims in america too? Y cant they practice freedom of speech and call ppl names? please, equality. Y do u talk abt banning when a muslim posts a pic? Y dont u talk abt banning wen an idoit drew insulting pics of the prophet?
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You have not understood my argument. In the Muslim world, Muslims can impose one-sided laws that penalise non-Muslims and allow Muslims to say and do pretty much what they like. Fair enough. Their countries. But Europe is another matter. The choices on offer are either we all can say what we like, or neither side can. Theoretically I suppose Europeans could copy Pakistan and impose one-sided blasphemy laws, but that is not likely. The options are 1. Muslims can say what they like AND non-Muslims can say what they like OR 2. NEITHER Muslims NOR non-Muslims can say what they like.

Muslims did not keep quiet. They carried signs calling for people's heads to be cut off.

As it happens the Constitution applies to American Muslims the same as the rest. So American Muslims can say what they like. And non-Muslims can publish whatever cartoons they want.

I am not calling for anyone to be banned. I am asking, well no insisting really, that you respect my rights to the extent that I am willing to respect yours. No more and no less. So what do you want - religious vilification laws that will apply to everyone or freedom of speech?
 
Heigou, basically i think that no one should insult one another. Sorry, i misunderstood u. Its just going to hurt people, By hurting ppl we r not gaining anything. I just feel its stupid that these people are critcising one another. I am very sure that GOD DESPISES SUCH INSULTS. Its been mentioned that we r not suppose to say smtg that hurts someone else. I feel that everyone, wheter muslim or nt, should follow that. If the prophet was alive, even if he were to see these cartoons, he'd keep quiet and be patient, not murder and cause bloodshed. If these ppl loved da prophet they would have done what he asked 1400 years ago? Even when ppl threw intestines at him, he kept silent and headed home, and when his daughter fatmiah ra, cried upon seeing his state, he just told her that "i shall pray to god, to guide them to the right path". If the prophet himself underwent such humiliation and kept silent and prayed, then we muslims should do da same too. I just wish these ppl stop posing pics to insult others...
 
shanu said:
well u have a point bro ahmed. This is called freedom of speech. But do u want to be associated with such ppl hu uphold freedom of speech n insult one's belief and community. A muslim never insults or speaks rudely, lets nt be like them by putting a flag burning pic. Well i hope some people had their own taste of medicine, n they shld feel how much it hurt us. Other than that, i think we shldnt encourage such things here, by remaining pateint we r only earning allah's happiness, and by being rude we r only being subjects to His wrath.
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I beg to differ. Watch the video


http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2006/02/islamic-protestors-in-paris-come-face.html
 
http://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2006/...come-face.html
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Dear knuckles. i ask u frankly, Is all this name calling, insulting remarks good? The muslims calling the danish, and the danish calling the muslims? Frankly, the muslims anger is justified, but they have no right to call degrading names or cause violence. It saddens me. Have these ppl learnt the life of the prophet? Did he call ppl names? What abt the danish? Y did they hurt ppl in the name of freedom of speech? Are all this 4 the good, drawing and making fun of one's beliefs. Eye for an eye? Is this what the quraan taught us? It saddened me and made me angry when i saw those silly cartoons. But ma sis consoled me and told me one thing, if the prophet was alive he would remain patient and ask god to guide the ignorant. N in ma prayers, i pray 4 both muslims and the ignorant ppl who think our prophet is a tyrant. I pray that they learn to respect one another n follow the truth.

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You show a picture of a burning cross (the white cross) - symbolizing the cross our prophet Jesus hang on.
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we cant say anytg abt isa. He is our prophet whether he was on a cross or nt, we dont know, like i said earlier, we respect isa, so watever that is associated wid him, be it a cross or anytg else, we shall respect. Its sad that people forgot the meaning of respect, whether its a muslim or a christian, he should learn mutual respect.
 
I think people are confused about this freedom of speech thing.

I am compelled to agree with HeiGou in a way.

because if we live in a non-muslim, lets say Christian country, ok, and they put pictures up of the last prophet peace be upon him.

Now some people in that Christian country say, 'freedom of speech has gone too far, those pictures offend us so please dont let this happen again'

if a muslim takes this approach, then he consiquentially, should be prepared not to give da'wa in that country, since if he gives da'wa, it would, IN THE SAME WAY AS HE WAS OFFENDED, OFFEND THE CHRISTIANS THAT HE SAYS JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD.

Thus the christians would put across the same arguement, and tell the muslims not to say such things such as 'saying Jesus is Son of God is blaspheme'

so this is, if I am not mistaken where HeiGou came up with the 2 points.

Now, Muslims can say, THE WORLD IS FOR THE MUSLIMS BECAUSE ISLAM IS THE TRUE FAITH, But then again taht would probably result in Wars

Peace be upon yall
 
Salam. Sis its not a matter of we dont know wether or not Isa {a.s} may have been crucified. The noble quran tells us he wasnt. And we as muslims belive nothing else as regards. I think you might have misquoted you words. But that doesnt mean we disrespect what the christians believe. going against anothers belief doesnt show disrespect. What shows disrespect is the blatant and clear ridicule of ones religion.
 
Im sorry isaac bro, i wrote it wrongly. Thanks 4 pointing it out.i know that isa wasnt crucified. But we must follow da quraan, as it tells us to follow our faith n let them follow theirs. What hurt me is that burning cross picture, i shall feel that some muslims are doing da same as the danish. Y must we do wat they did? By putting such a pic, the Prophet would have only been upset if he was alive? There is nothing wrong in being against their belief, but by putting a pic of a burning cross or a burning flag we are ridiculing their religion or that particular country. We must remmeber there are many danes who are muslims too. Just becos a handful did it, we must not condemn the whole? Right? Just becos osama calls himself muslim, are all of us like that? I just feel allof us should refrain from any form of insult. Whether its burning a flag, or burning a cross
 
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I think the cross was just the flag of Denmark, I dont think they were thinking about Jesus peace be upon him while doing that.

What I dont get, Why Burn the Danish Flag??
Ok, some people in Denmark done bad, not all of them, Maybe some Native Denmarkish people lol, I dont know what they called, but some of them could be Muslims, so the witnessing of their flag being Burnt could upset them.

That is what annoys me, it just seems like some of us muslims jump on a bandwagon and start burning flags, not realising that that flag may represent the NATIONALITY of a muslim brother.

Peace be upon yall
 
isaabudallah bro
thats the point i have been trying to put across 4 sometime
Thanks 4 telling it short and sweetly. The prophet would never had tolerated any form of violence. By burning a flag u would only get smoke and probably cause more global warming, u wont get a good name 4 ur ummah or 4 our prophet
 
I agree. But to be honest until i came across this thread i didnt even realise that it was a cross. You learn something new every day. You know why muslims are out their causing such a scene and this is no excuse, but we wether here or in any muslim land do not have a united voice. the government wont take on board the views of the gwneral public, even though they boycotted their goods ect ect. Mst people in places like lebanon where protesters burnt embassies want changes. Lebanon is suppose to be under muslim rule/leadership yet alcohol if produces openly, sold openly and even drunk openly in some places. Now these people or the government boycotted danish goods, what about stopping the haram activities that you produce. Tis is why people in countries such as that in mention defie anything their govenmnet has to say. they want change in all areas including leadership. And this is the only opportunity they get to make a demand ect. Take a look at the protest in pakistan today. they potesters say that the country is startng to embrace and welcome into the lands practices and norms of the non-belivers, which has rightly so angerd people and led them to destroy things which resemble western ideologies or logos.
 
Lol in honesty, I wasnt thinkin about the global warming,

I have to admit thought it was and is very upsetting to see this, from the youth I have seen in my college and so forth, us young males want to be SOLDIERS of Allah before being SLAVES OF ALLAH

From what I know, The prophet peace be upon him, even used to say Slave of Allah then Messenger of Allah. << WHAT I HAVE HEARD DONT TAKE ME UP ON IT.

It seems like an adrenaline thing.
 
yes its true isaabudullah bro
He called himself more as slave of Allah.
Well, young blood! Wad do u expect? They jump 4 everytg. But i just feel that they should stop protesting like this, U should defend ur religion, im nt asking u to turn da other cheek. im telling that one should not use violence, or call ppl names.

But if everyone keeps burning flags, there would be more global warming, lol
 
what exactly is freedom os speech? where one can express themselves in whatever way possible? for example,when people swear, or talk about filth etc its called freedm of expression or talk but what about the right of our children not to hear that filth? who will protect them?
 
I presonally think if more people learnt their deen more, INCLUDING ME, and just didnt start all this, KILL THEM, and so on, I mean Islam would rule, straight, if I am not mistaken, isnt it in the Quran that it says, That the truth, (the quran) is flinged (sent down) against the falsehood and the falsehood dissapears. I mean I have seen that in debates, I have seen that in Ethics and Actions of Muslims, when I see the implimentaion of the Whole Quran the Implimentation of the whole Sunnah, oh man, noone can turn from that, noone, but when I see flag burnin and I hear 'behead this person' then I can see why people turn away.

I see brothers, sitting down, making du'a before they go and fight in college, fight when they dont need to! I have heard of brothers throwing stuff around on the bus and man askin them to stop, one muslim got up and spat in the man's face and said 'Allah is on my side' <<<< THIS IS NOT ISLAM!!

First we should learn the ways, instead of being blood thristy, looking for war, seekin every oportunity, establish brother hood, proper brotherhood, and so forth.

If I have made mistakes brothers please correct me, since I am not writing to insult.

peace be upon yall
 
there is no freedom of speech. Becos ppl dont know how to use it 4 good. ppl use "freedom of speech" more for insulting than for saving children from phaedophiles in some countries, and exposing drug dealers and cheating politicians. Sis isk u have a point, ppl use this freedom or in other words abuse this freedom to talk filth and swear. Any remark that causes hurt and pain should not b said at all!
 
Bro isaabudullah, a boy spitting on a man's face??? N says Allah is on his side? How terrible? Didnt he learn that we r not to disgrace any human???? Im ashamed of such muslims? They give such a ugly picture of islam. What is the differebce between the danish and those muslim college boys then?
 

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