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HOW CAN U PROVE THAT THESE VERSE SPEAKS ABOUT HOLY SPIRIT FROM GOD ONLY WHEN THERE ARE NUMBER OF SPIRITS AVAILABLE IN BIBLE
Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1- Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2- Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3- Spirit of Knowledge.

4- Spirit of the fear of the LORD.
 
The verse clearly speaks about omnipresence of god and NOT spirit it is not mentioned as separate identity.
read the complete verse and u can understand

Why there is not a single verse in bible where holy spirit says WORSHIP me .

Absolutely @ the portion I bolded....... I don't think anyone here has said any differently, so I don't understand why you are so worked up. :)

But I disagree with where you wrote "but NOT spirit". In between those bolded areas. The word "spirit" is used in the English language in that context to describe the invisible, omnipresent nature of God. It comes from the Hebrew word ruach, which can be translated in a number of ways depending on the context. The word "spirit" is one of those words that is lost in translation. If you read the verse in its original language, and you understood all the denotations and connotations of the word in its original, then we would not be having this discussion. The reason this discussion is in existence in because of the manner in which the word was translated, and the manner in which you are wanting to understand it to mean.

This thread has nothing to do with worshiping the Holy spirit.... nor does the verse. I'm not sure why you keep trying to make it about something that it isn't.
 
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Without a person, there is no presence. A presence can only exist with a person. They are not separate, distinct entities. The presence emanates from a person.

Just because A is necessary for B to exist, that does not entail that B is a part or aspect of A. For example, smoke emanates from a fire and couldn't exist without it, yet the smoke is not part of the fire.
 
The word "spirit" is used in the English language in that context to describe the invisible, omnipresent nature of God. It comes from the Hebrew word ruach, which can be translated in a number of ways depending on the context. The word "spirit" is one of those words that is lost in translation. If you read the verse in its original language, and you understood all the denotations and connotations of the word in its original, then we would not be having this discussion. The reason this discussion is in existence in because of the manner in which the word was translated, and the manner in which you are wanting to understand it to mean.

Then by all means, explain all about the denotations and connotations of the word. (You seem to be awfully precise and confident for someone who doesn't know Hebrew....)
 
Just because A is necessary for B to exist, that does not entail that B is a part or aspect of A. For example, smoke emanates from a fire and couldn't exist without it, yet the smoke is not part of the fire.

Smoke is not a separate, distinct entity. You said yourself that it can not exist without fire. A separate, distinct entity is something that can exist on its own-- it has its own existence. Smoke does not. An individual's presence does not. If a is necessary for B to exist, then B is not its own entity. The very definition of an entity is that it has its own existence, independent, self-contained, etc.



Then by all means, explain all about the denotations and connotations of the word. (You seem to be awfully precise and confident for someone who doesn't know Hebrew....)

Entire papers have been written on the word ruach and its uses in the OT. You are more than welcome to look them up on your own. I mentioned briefly earlier that the three of these are wind, breath, and spirit.

I am not sure how you get that I am "awfully confident" or "awfully precise". Nothing in my words has been. I have no confidence in my ability to properly explain all the denotations and connotations of the term in its original language, but I am confident that if someone did understand it then we would not be having this discussion. The discussion is based upon a translation, and not upon the word itself. The misunderstanding comes from the interpretation of the translation. I would love for nothing more than someone to chime in and discuss the arabic ruh and it's uses in the qur'an. Woodrow, above, provided an example of one case where it referred to an angel. I have read discussions form other scholars of the other places it is used in the qur'an and what it means. One word-- multiple meanings and connotations. If you want to, you are more than welcome to also research the Hebrew word ruach and see all the meanings and uses. One word-- translated in different ways and with different meanings.

My only confidence is that an individual who understands the intricacies of the original word, would not have need to discuss it, no more than two native English speakers from Wisconsin would have a need to discuss the use of the term "bubbler" in the context of a drinking fountain. (Try translating that into another language. :) ) There is no secret of the problems that come in translating things into other languages. There are terms that you all use in Islam, which in English carry very different connotations (and even sometimes incorrect denotations) than is originally intended. I know this, because I have logged many hours on Christian forums clearing up misconceptions and misunderstandings based upon the way that an English word is used to explain something in Islam. I do not speak Arabic either, but I have taken the time to understand the terms as they are intended to be used, rather than how a native English speaker would interpret its use. I always welcome native speakers to correct me, so that I can better understand what the word means and connotes in its original language. I am far from knowledgeable, but I try not to be ignorant.



I find it ironic that the very thing that imran is upset about (separating out an aspect of God), is the very thing that you are defending when you are trying to make an individual's presence into a distinct, separate entity. :)
 
Look, it's as simple as this: a trait someone has, be it presence or anything else, is not the person himself in any capacity, regardless of how you slice it, but only something about the person. I am a brunette, but nobody ever speaks of my brown hair as an aspect of myself. It just grows out from me, like my presence in a room. Neither are me, they're just things about me. In much the same way my breath is not me. It is an effect that I am the cause of. How you think of the smoke as being the fire, either literally or figuratively, is beyond me. Neither is a fire's brightness or hotness the fire itself: fire is a type of oxidation.
 
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Look, it's as simple as this: a trait someone has, be it presence or anything else, is not the person himself in any capacity, regardless of how you slice it, but only something about the person. I am a brunette, but nobody ever speaks of my brown hair as an aspect of myself. It just grows out from me, like my presence in a room. Neither are me, they're just things about me. In much the same way my breath is not me. It is an effect that I am the cause of. How you think of the smoke as being the fire, either literally or figuratively, is beyond me. Neither is a fire's brightness or hotness the fire itself: fire is a type of oxidation.


I agree that in your example of your hair, your hair is not "you", but is something that grows out from you. It is a part of you. But your hair is also not a distinct, separate entity-- not by any means of the imagination.

No matter how you slice it something that is a separate, distinct entity is something that exists apart (on its own). Not hair, not smoke, not your presence exist on their own. They all come from a source. By the very nature of what a separate, distinct entity is none of those things can be one.



Maybe nobody speaks of your brown hair as an aspect of yourself, for the simple reason that the majority of the world is brunette. :p If you were a blonde or a red head, living in a region with a sea of brunettes, then certainly your hair would be a defining factor of "you." (But it still would not be a separate, distinct entity. :) )


I am just curious as to why it is so important for you to define God's spirit as being a separate, distinct entity? I have never known a Muslim who works so hard at trying to separate the two.
 
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sister u didnt reply my previous questions

HOW CAN U PROVE THAT THESE VERSE SPEAKS ABOUT HOLY SPIRIT FROM GOD ONLY WHEN THERE ARE NUMBER OF SPIRITS AVAILABLE IN BIBLE
Isaiah 11:1-3
1. A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2. The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
3. and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;

As we see in Isaiah 11:1-3, there is:

1- Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding.

2- Spirit of Counsel and of power.

3- Spirit of Knowledge.

4- Spirit of the fear of the LORD.
 
Pouring rain for sake of argument even if i agree it speaks about god
here is one thing for u

The Bible says that God is everywhere including the heavens and the earth...

Jeremiah 23:24

24 Can anyone hide in secret places
so that I cannot see him?"
declares the LORD.
"Do not I fill heaven and earth?"
declares the LORD.

Psalms 139: 7-8
7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, [a] you are there.


So here we see that God does fill the heaven and the earth. But else where it says that the heavens and the earth cannot contain God...


1 Kings 8:27

But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!

2 Chronicles 2:6

But who is able to build a temple for him, since the heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain him? Who then am I to build a temple for him, except as a place to burn sacrifices before him?



Wouldn't this also contradict the Christian belief that the Holy Spirit is literally dwelling inside the individual? But how, if the person's body can't contain God?
 
Wouldn't this also contradict the Christian belief that the Holy Spirit is literally dwelling inside the individual? But how, if the person's body can't contain God?
Don't know, never tried to put God into a person's body.
 
PouringRain, I don't know what I have to do to get you to where you can understand this. Identity has nothing to do with being "separated" from something else and "apart from it". If it did then conjoined twins would be the same person. Nor does it have anything whatever to do with a "source": God is our source yet we are not part of God! The source is the cause of the that which it is the source of, just as fire, an entirely separate substance from smoke, is the cause of the smoke. The light of a fire is a quality in it and not "distinct from its nature", yet it is still not the fire itself. If you were not blinded by Trinitarianism, or if you were talking about any other subject, anything not involving the Trinity, then I'm sure you would find it just as absurd as I do to consider any entity's presence to be part of the entity. You are not your being here: you are you. So it is with God. I'm getting tired of repeating myself, and I am not feeling inclined to do it again.
 
If you were not blinded by Trinitarianism, or if you were talking about any other subject, anything not involving the Trinity, then I'm sure you would find it just as absurd as I do to consider any entity's presence to be part of the entity.

Ironically, I wondered the same about you, given your position. I was quite shocked to hear those ideas coming from the mouth of a Muslim, to be quite honest. :)

Additionally, no where in this thread was I ever talking about the trinity, but only about God. My position from the beginning is that the Psalm is about God. It was the originator of the thread who kept bringing up the "trinity" and giving reference to the trinity. That is why I asked him if he put aside his thoughts on the trinity, if he would then have a problem with the verse.
 
You cannot refer to a Bible verse speaking of the "spirit" of God and then expect us not to believe that there isn't any Trinitarian overtone to your interpretation, spoken or unspoken. God's breath is an effect He causes. God's presence is not God. "X=x's presence" is a silly interpretation of anything, Trinitarian or Unitarian, God or no God, religious or secular. Please stop making me repeat myself, because I'm at the end of my rope.
 
You cannot refer to a Bible verse speaking of the "spirit" of God and then expect us not to believe that there isn't any Trinitarian overtone to your interpretation, spoken or unspoken.

That is an assumption. To my knowledge I have never discussed my personal beliefs in the trinity or the lack thereof on this forum (nor on most any forum, for that matter), so I do not know what grounds you would have for assuming that when I speak of the "spirit" of God that I have "trinitarian overtones" in my words. Is your assumption made simply because I am a "Christian" as my stated religion? If this is so, it is not a valid reason considering not all Christians are trinitarian and those who are can have very different beliefs regarding the trinity.

IMO your beliefs sound more "trinitarian" than my own, which is why I have been so shocked all this time that you actually believe the "spirit" is a distinct, separate entity of its own. I am now compelled to try and understand if this is a common Islamic belief.

Please stop making me repeat myself, because I'm at the end of my rope.

I am not making you repeat yourself. I have no power to make you do anything. Anything you do is on your own volition.
 
You cannot refer to a Bible verse speaking of the "spirit" of God and then expect us not to believe that there isn't any Trinitarian overtone to your interpretation, spoken or unspoken. God's breath is an effect He causes. God's presence is not God. "X=x's presence" is a silly interpretation of anything, Trinitarian or Unitarian, God or no God, religious or secular. Please stop making me repeat myself, because I'm at the end of my rope.
Bro, Jews speak of the "spirit" of God, but they don't believe in Trinity.
 
PouringRain said:
That is an assumption. To my knowledge I have never discussed my personal beliefs in the trinity or the lack thereof on this forum (nor on most any forum, for that matter), so I do not know what grounds you would have for assuming that when I speak of the "spirit" of God that I have "trinitarian overtones" in my words. Is your assumption made simply because I am a "Christian" as my stated religion? If this is so, it is not a valid reason considering not all Christians are trinitarian and those who are can have very different beliefs regarding the trinity.

Perhaps it's more the way you spoke than anything else. All the same, I'm willing to bet you do believe in the Trinity. Do you? Because if you do then I hardly see how you could keep it out of your interpretation of the verse even if you tried. It sounds an unnatural task.

IMO your beliefs sound more "trinitarian" than my own, which is why I have been so shocked all this time that you actually believe the "spirit" is a distinct, separate entity of its own. I am now compelled to try and understand if this is a common Islamic belief.

A distinct ENTITY? I never said that myself, and pretty much said the opposite. A distinct QUALITY? Most certainly.

FS123 said:
Bro, Jews speak of the "spirit" of God, but they don't believe in Trinity.

Which is why I was referring to her interpretation, not theirs.
 
A distinct ENTITY? I never said that myself, and pretty much said the opposite. A distinct QUALITY? Most certainly.

If this is what you said all along, then why were you disagreeing with me? If you look back, I was saying from the beginning that the spirit is not a distinct, separate entity, and you kept disagreeing with me. Why do you think I was so shocked? Look back at my post #17 where I said the spirit is not a distinct, separate entity, and your post 18 where you say "Yes, it is." Then in my post 19 I reiterated that it is not a distinct, separate entity.... and you continued to disagree with me from there.

Either you were not reading my posts, or your lenses were so colored by your assumption about my beliefs that you didn't want to properly read what I wrote to know my beliefs.
 
Just a quick reply to address the last few post. The biggest fuel for the confusion is the multitude of "spirit":

Spirit \Spir"it\, n. [OF. espirit, esperit, F. esprit, L. spiritus, from spirare to breathe, to blow. Cf. Conspire, Expire, Esprit, Sprite.]

1. Air set in motion by breathing; breath; hence, sometimes, life itself. [Obs.]

"All of spirit would deprive." --Spenser. [1913 Webster]

The mild air, with season moderate, Gently attempered, and disposed eo well, That still it breathed foorth sweet spirit. --Spenser. [1913 Webster]

2. A rough breathing; an aspirate, as the letter h; also, a mark to denote aspiration; a breathing. [Obs.]

[1913 Webster]

Be it a letter or spirit, we have great use for it. --B. Jonson. [1913 Webster]

3. Life, or living substance, considered independently of corporeal existence; an intelligence conceived of apart from any physical organization or embodiment; vital essence, force, or energy, as distinct from matter. [1913 Webster]

4. The intelligent, immaterial and immortal part of man; the soul, in distinction from the body in which it resides; the agent or subject of vital and spiritual functions, whether spiritual or material. [1913 Webster]

There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. --Job xxxii. 8. [1913 Webster]

As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. --James ii. 26. [1913 Webster]

Spirit is a substance wherein thinking, knowing, doubting, and a power of moving, do subsist. --Locke. [1913 Webster]

5. Specifically, a disembodied soul; the human soul after it has left the body. [1913 Webster]

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. --Eccl. xii. 7. [1913 Webster]

Ye gentle spirits far away, With whom we shared the cup of grace. --Keble. [1913 Webster]

6. Any supernatural being, good or bad; an apparition; a specter; a ghost; also, sometimes, a sprite,; a fairy; an elf. [1913 Webster]

Whilst young, preserve his tender mind from all impressions of spirits and goblins in the dark. --Locke. [1913 Webster]

7. Energy, vivacity, ardor, enthusiasm, courage, etc. [1913 Webster]

"Write it then, quickly," replied Bede; and summoning all his spirits together, like the last blaze of a candle going out, he indited it, and expired. --Fuller. [1913 Webster]

8. One who is vivacious or lively; one who evinces great activity or peculiar characteristics of mind or temper; as, a ruling spirit; a schismatic spirit. [1913 Webster]

Such spirits as he desired to please, such would I choose for my judges. --Dryden. [1913 Webster]

9. Temper or disposition of mind; mental condition or disposition; intellectual or moral state; -- often in the plural; as, to be cheerful, or in good spirits; to be downhearted, or in bad spirits. [1913 Webster]

God has . . . made a spirit of building succeed a spirit of pulling down. --South. [1913 Webster]

A perfect judge will read each work of wit With the same spirit that its author writ. --Pope. [1913 Webster]

10. Intent; real meaning; -- opposed to the letter, or to formal statement; also, characteristic quality, especially such as is derived from the individual genius or the personal character; as, the spirit of an enterprise, of a document, or the like. [1913 Webster]


1. Tenuous, volatile, airy, or vapory substance, possessed of active qualities. [1913 Webster]

All bodies have spirits . . . within them. --Bacon. [1913 Webster]

12. Any liquid produced by distillation; especially, alcohol, the spirits, or spirit, of wine (it having been first distilled from wine): -- often in the plural. [1913 Webster]

13. pl. Rum, whisky, brandy, gin, and other distilled liquors having much alcohol, in distinction from wine and malt liquors. [1913 Webster]

14. (Med.) A solution in alcohol of a volatile principle. Cf. Tincture. --U. S. Disp. [1913 Webster]

15. (Alchemy) Any one of the four substances, sulphur, sal ammoniac, quicksilver, or arsenic (or, according to some, orpiment). [1913 Webster]

The four spirits and the bodies seven. --Chaucer. [1913 Webster]

16. (Dyeing) Stannic chloride. See under Stannic. [1913 Webster]

Note: Spirit is sometimes joined with other words, forming compounds, generally of obvious signification; as, spirit-moving, spirit-searching, spirit-stirring, etc. [1913 Webster]

Astral spirits, Familiar spirits, etc. See under Astral, Familiar, etc.

Animal spirits.
(a) (Physiol.) The fluid which at one time was supposed to circulate through the nerves and was regarded as the agent of sensation and motion; -- called also the nervous fluid, or nervous principle.
(b) Physical health and energy; frolicsomeness; sportiveness.

Ardent spirits, strong alcoholic liquors, as brandy, rum, whisky, etc., obtained by distillation.

Holy Spirit, or The Spirit (Theol.), the Spirit of God, or the third person of the Trinity; the Holy Ghost. The spirit also signifies the human spirit as influenced or animated by the Divine Spirit.

Proof spirit. (Chem.) See under Proof.

Rectified spirit (Chem.), spirit rendered purer or more concentrated by redistillation, so as to increase the percentage of absolute alcohol.

Spirit butterfly (Zool.), any one of numerous species of delicate butterflies of tropical America belonging to the genus Ithomia. The wings are gauzy and nearly destitute of scales.

Spirit duck. (Zool.)
(a) The buffle-headed duck.
(b) The golden-eye.

Spirit lamp (Art), a lamp in which alcohol or methylated spirit is burned.

Spirit level. See under Level.

Spirit of hartshorn. (Old Chem.) See under Hartshorn.

Spirit of Mindererus (Med.), an aqueous solution of acetate of ammonium; -- named after R. Minderer, physician of Augsburg.

Spirit of nitrous ether (Med. Chem.), a pale yellow liquid, of a sweetish taste and a pleasant ethereal odor. It is obtained by the distillation of alcohol with nitric and sulphuric acids, and consists essentially of ethyl nitrite with a little acetic aldehyde. It is used as a diaphoretic, diuretic, antispasmodic, etc. Called also sweet spirit of niter.

Spirit of salt (Chem.), hydrochloric acid; -- so called because obtained from salt and sulphuric acid. [Obs.]

Spirit of sense, the utmost refinement of sensation. [Obs.]

--Shak.

Spirits of turpentine, or Spirit of turpentine (Chem.), rectified oil of turpentine, a transparent, colorless, volatile, and very inflammable liquid, distilled from the turpentine of the various species of pine; camphine. It is commonly used to remove paint from surfaces, or to dissole oil-based paint. See Camphine.

Spirit of vitriol (Chem.), sulphuric acid; -- so called because formerly obtained by the distillation of green vitriol. [Obs.]

Spirit of vitriolic ether (Chem.) ethyl ether; -- often but incorrectly called sulphuric ether. See Ether. [Obs.]

Spirits of wine, or Spirit of wine (Chem.), alcohol; -- so called because formerly obtained by the distillation of wine.

Spirit rapper, one who practices spirit rapping; a "medium" so called.

Spirit rapping, an alleged form of communication with the spirits of the dead by raps. See Spiritualism, 3.

Sweet spirit of niter. See Spirit of nitrous ether, above. [1913 Webster]

Syn: Life; ardor; energy; fire; courage; animatioon; cheerfulness; vivacity; enterprise. [1913 Webster]

Source: The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48



spirit level
noun

indicator that establishes the horizontal when a bubble is centered in a tube of liquid [syn: level]

Source: WordNet (r) 2.0



Level \Lev"el\ (l[e^]v"[e^]l), n. [OE. level, livel, OF. livel, F. niveau, fr. L. libella level, water level, a plumb level, dim. of libra pound, measure for liquids, balance, water poise, level. Cf. Librate, Libella.]

1. A line or surface to which, at every point, a vertical or plumb line is perpendicular; a line or surface which is everywhere parallel to the surface of still water; -- this is the true level, and is a curve or surface in which all points are equally distant from the center of the earth, or rather would be so if the earth were an exact sphere.

2. A horizontal line or plane; that is, a straight line or a plane which is tangent to a true level at a given point and hence parallel to the horizon at that point; -- this is the apparent level at the given point.

3. An approximately horizontal line or surface at a certain degree of altitude, or distance from the center of the earth; as, to climb from the level of the coast to the level of the plateau and then descend to the level of the valley or of the sea.

After draining of the level in Northamptonshire. --Sir M. Hale.

Shot from the deadly level of a gun. --Shak.

4. Hence, figuratively, a certain position, rank, standard, degree, quality, character, etc., conceived of as in one of several planes of different elevation.

Providence, for the most part, sets us on a level. --Addison.

Somebody there of his own level. --Swift.

Be the fair level of thy actions laid As temperance wills and prudence may persuade. --Prior.

5. A uniform or average height; a normal plane or altitude; a condition conformable to natural law or which will secure a level surface; as, moving fluids seek a level.

When merit shall find its level. --F. W. Robertson.

6. (Mech. & Surv.)
(a) An instrument by which to find a horizontal line, or adjust something with reference to a horizontal line.
(b) A measurement of the difference of altitude of two points, by means of a level; as, to take a level.

7. A horizontal passage, drift, or adit, in a mine.

Air level, a spirit level. See Spirit level (below).

Box level, a spirit level in which a glass-covered box is used instead of a tube.

Carpenter's level, Mason's level, either the plumb level or a straight bar of wood, in which is imbedded a small spirit level.

Level of the sea, the imaginary level from which heights and depths are calculated, taken at a mean distance between high and low water.

Line of levels, a connected series of measurements, by means of a level, along a given line, as of a railroad, to ascertain the profile of the ground.

Plumb level, one in which a horizontal bar is placed in true position by means of a plumb line, to which it is at right angles.

Spirit level, one in which the adjustment to the horizon is shown by the position of a bubble in alcohol or ether contained in a nearly horizontal glass tube, or a circular box with a glass cover.

Surveyor's level, a telescope, with a spirit level attached, and with suitable screws, etc., for accurate adjustment, the whole mounted on a tripod, for use in leveling; -- called also leveling instrument.

Water level, an instrument to show the level by means of the surface of water in a trough, or in upright tubes connected by a pipe.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)



Spirit \Spir"it\, n. [OF. espirit, esperit, F. esprit, L. spiritus, from spirare to breathe, to blow. Cf. Conspire, Expire, Esprit, Sprite.]

1. Air set in motion by breathing; breath; hence, sometimes, life itself. [Obs.]

``All of spirit would deprive.'' --Spenser.

The mild air, with season moderate, Gently attempered, and disposed eo well, That still it breathed foorth sweet spirit. --Spenser.

2. A rough breathing; an aspirate, as the letter h; also, a mark to denote aspiration; a breathing. [Obs.]

Be it a letter or spirit, we have great use for it. --B. Jonson.

3. Life, or living substance, considered independently of corporeal existence; an intelligence conceived of apart from any physical organization or embodiment; vital essence, force, or energy, as distinct from matter.

4. The intelligent, immaterial and immortal part of man; the soul, in distinction from the body in which it resides; the agent or subject of vital and spiritual functions, whether spiritual or material.

There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. --Job xxxii. 8.

As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. --James ii. 26.

Spirit is a substance wherein thinking, knowing, doubting, and a power of moving, do subsist. --Locke.

5. Specifically, a disembodied soul; the human soul after it has left the body.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. --Eccl. xii. 7.

Ye gentle spirits far away, With whom we shared the cup of grace. --Keble.

6. Any supernatural being, good or bad; an apparition; a specter; a ghost; also, sometimes, a sprite,; a fairy; an elf.

Whilst young, preserve his tender mind from all impressions of spirits and goblins in the dark. --Locke.

7. Energy, vivacity, ardor, enthusiasm, courage, etc.

``Write it then, quickly,'' replied Bede; and summoning all his spirits together, like the last blaze of a candle going out, he indited it, and expired. --Fuller.

8. One who is vivacious or lively; one who evinces great activity or peculiar characteristics of mind or temper; as, a ruling spirit; a schismatic spirit.

Such spirits as he desired to please, such would I choose for my judges. --Dryden.

9. Temper or disposition of mind; mental condition or disposition; intellectual or moral state; -- often in the plural; as, to be cheerful, or in good spirits; to be downhearted, or in bad spirits.

God has . . . made a spirit of building succeed a spirit of pulling down. --South.

A perfect judge will read each work of wit With the same spirit that its author writ. --Pope.

10. Intent; real meaning; -- opposed to the letter, or to formal statement; also, characteristic quality, especially such as is derived from the individual genius or the personal character; as, the spirit of an enterprise, of a document, or the like.


1. Tenuous, volatile, airy, or vapory substance, possessed of active qualities.

All bodies have spirits . . . within them. --Bacon.

12. Any liquid produced by distillation; especially, alcohol, the spirits, or spirit, of wine (it having been first distilled from wine): -- often in the plural.

13. pl. Rum, whisky, brandy, gin, and other distilled liquors having much alcohol, in distinction from wine and malt liquors.

14. (Med.) A solution in alcohol of a volatile principle. Cf. Tincture. --U. S. Disp.

15. (Alchemy) Any one of the four substances, sulphur, sal ammoniac, quicksilver, or arsenic (or, according to some, orpiment).

The four spirits and the bodies seven. --Chaucer.

16. (Dyeing) Stannic chloride. See under Stannic.

Note: Spirit is sometimes joined with other words, forming compounds, generally of obvious signification; as, spirit-moving, spirit-searching, spirit-stirring, etc.

Astral spirits, Familiar spirits, etc. See under Astral, Familiar, etc.

Animal spirits.
(a) (Physiol.) The fluid which at one time was supposed to circulate through the nerves and was regarded as the agent of sensation and motion; -- called also the nervous fluid, or nervous principle.
(b) Physical health and energy; frolicsomeness; sportiveness.

Ardent spirits, strong alcoholic liquors, as brandy, rum, whisky, etc., obtained by distillation.

Holy Spirit, or The Spirit (Theol.), the Spirit of God, or the third person of the Trinity; the Holy Ghost. The spirit also signifies the human spirit as influenced or animated by the Divine Spirit.

Proof spirit. (Chem.) See under Proof.

Rectified spirit (Chem.), spirit rendered purer or more concentrated by redistillation, so as to increase the percentage of absolute alcohol.

Spirit butterfly (Zo["o]l.), any one of numerous species of delicate butterflies of tropical America belonging to the genus Ithomia. The wings are gauzy and nearly destitute of scales.

Spirit duck. (Zo["o]l.)
(a) The buffle-headed duck.
(b) The golden-eye.

Spirit lamp (Art), a lamp in which alcohol or methylated spirit is burned.

Spirit level. See under Level.

Spirit of hartshorn. (Old Chem.) See under Hartshorn.

Spirit of Mindererus (Med.), an aqueous solution of acetate of ammonium; -- named after R. Minderer, physician of Augsburg.

Spirit of nitrous ether (Med. Chem.), a pale yellow liquid, of a sweetish taste and a pleasant ethereal odor. It is obtained by the distillation of alcohol with nitric and sulphuric acids, and consists essentially of ethyl nitrite with a little acetic aldehyde. It is used as a diaphoretic, diuretic, antispasmodic, etc. Called also sweet spirit of niter.

Spirit of salt (Chem.), hydrochloric acid; -- so called because obtained from salt and sulphuric acid. [Obs.]

Spirit of sense, the utmost refinement of sensation. [Obs.]

--Shak.

Spirits, or Spirit, of turpentine (Chem.), rectified oil of turpentine, a transparent, colorless, volatile, and very inflammable liquid, distilled from the turpentine of the various species of pine; camphine. See Camphine.

Spirit of vitriol (Chem.), sulphuric acid; -- so called because formerly obtained by the distillation of green vitriol. [Obs.]

Spirit of vitriolic ether (Chem.) ether; -- often but incorrectly called sulphuric ether. See Ether. [Obs.]

Spirits, or Spirit, of wine (Chem.), alcohol; -- so called because formerly obtained by the distillation of wine.

Spirit rapper, one who practices spirit rapping; a ``medium'' so called.

Spirit rapping, an alleged form of communication with the spirits of the dead by raps. See Spiritualism, 3.

Sweet spirit of niter. See Spirit of nitrous ether, above.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Before there can be any discussion about spirit, it is necessary there is a clear understanding of how all participants define spirit. Can't really discuss if everybody is talking about something different.
 
Before there can be any discussion about spirit, it is necessary there is a clear understanding of how all participants define spirit. Can't really discuss if everybody is talking about something different.

I agree, as the "spirit" can mean many things. I had brought this up earlier in the thread. It was my understanding that we have been discussing the word "spirit" in the context of one's "presence."

Post #7 I wrote "invisible, omnipresent aspect of God's nature."
Post #9 Yahya Sulaiman wrote "As for Psalms 137:9, that very same verse uses the term “spirit” interchangeably with “presence”, so there’s your answer."
Post #13 Imran123 wrote "the eternal presence of God "
Post #17 I quoted the line from Imran's #13 post, and I re-iterated my post #7
Post #18 Yahya Sulaiman worte" presence"
Post #19 I wrote "presence"

Etc.

So, from the beginning, it seemed as though we were all on the same page regarding how we were defining "spirit" in the context of the verse.
 
I agree, as the "spirit" can mean many things. I had brought this up earlier in the thread. It was my understanding that we have been discussing the word "spirit" in the context of one's "presence."

Post #7 I wrote "invisible, omnipresent aspect of God's nature."
Post #9 Yahya Sulaiman wrote "As for Psalms 137:9, that very same verse uses the term “spirit” interchangeably with “presence”, so there’s your answer."
Post #13 Imran123 wrote "the eternal presence of God "
Post #17 I quoted the line from Imran's #13 post, and I re-iterated my post #7
Post #18 Yahya Sulaiman worte" presence"
Post #19 I wrote "presence"

Etc.

So, from the beginning, it seemed as though we were all on the same page regarding how we were defining "spirit" in the context of the verse.

I agree at the first 20 posts everybody seems to have been discussing the same meaning. But after post 20 it seems a few were using a different meaning.
 

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