Poll shows alarming level of disaffection among British Muslims

[Muezzin]

I'd love to speak to Shahid Malik who thinks alot of people are in denial. I mean, honestly, you read things you hear things, I mean those conspiracy guys can really convince you that things are happening. Things aint always black and white. But then again what do you expect, everyone is human afterall.

I just cant wait till the foreign Muslims realise that this is not their land as such and attempt to go home and work it up, nothing about racism, but just being real, go home help out create better things for people and then build an islamic place. Why go to another kid's playground and then complain you dont feel comfortable? Of course not, go to your own play area and help those around you to learn the game so you can all play together.

The thing is, it's not the 'foreign Muslims' who cause the problems, really. They're in Non-Muslim countries because they (the foreign Muslims) thought their native countries were unsatisfactory, and were seeking a better standard of life abroad.

It's their offspring, certain of the people in my generation, that are the problem with regards to violence and attitude. I'm in no way undermining the discrimination that certain people suffer, nor am I excusing the polarising foreign policies of both Britain and the United States, but, truth be told, it's usually the younger generation, the one born in the West, who have a problem with it. It's something of an identity crisis.

 

[Umar001]

The thing is, it's not the 'foreign Muslims' who cause the problems, really. They're in Non-Muslim countries because they (the foreign Muslims) thought their native countries were unsatisfactory, and were seeking a better standard of life abroad.

It's their offspring, certain of the people in my generation, that are the problem with regards to violence and attitude. I'm in no way undermining the discrimination that certain people suffer, nor am I excusing the polarising foreign policies of both Britain and the United States, but, truth be told, it's usually the younger generation, the one born in the West, who have a problem with it. It's something of an identity crisis.

The problem was the older generation, seeker a better way of life? If that was the case you'd find them teaching their kids the deen, helping them out. Hardly that, go into supermarkets, shopping centers, how many Khans and Abdis and Chawdarys do you find undressed and how many clean shaven? If it was about better way of life they would have not forgotten themselves.

The younger ones are doing better in the sense that it seems they are waking up, or is it just the bulk of reverts who have woken and are taking action, I don't got a clue.

But all this 'They came to britain for a better life' is not a better life in a good sense but the one that was spoken of, hayyat ad dunya, if it was the life of akhira then the children would have been better off.

You ever been at a distant relative's house, that you dont really know, felt that uncomfortable feeling? What about at a person's house whom you feel has caused your family pain? Felt uncomfrtable? Well no wonder some Muslims feel uncomfortable in the Uk.

 

[Muezzin]

The problem was the older generation, seeker a better way of life? If that was the case you'd find them teaching their kids the deen, helping them out. Hardly that, go into supermarkets, shopping centers, how many Khans and Abdis and Chawdarys do you find undressed and how many clean shaven? If it was about better way of life they would have not forgotten themselves.

The younger ones are doing better in the sense that it seems they are waking up, or is it just the bulk of reverts who have woken and are taking action, I don't got a clue.

But all this 'They came to britain for a better life' is not a better life in a good sense but the one that was spoken of, hayyat ad dunya, if it was the life of akhira then the children would have been better off.

You ever been at a distant relative's house, that you dont really know, felt that uncomfortable feeling? What about at a person's house whom you feel has caused your family pain? Felt uncomfrtable? Well no wonder some Muslims feel uncomfortable in the Uk.

I'm just calling it as I see it. The older generation seems to be fine with living in the West, and if you look at the minority of troublemakers within the Muslim community, they're young guys. I'm not saying all young Muslims are problematic, I'm just saying the problem with attitudes etc tends to lie with certain members of the younger (i.e. my) generation, rather than the older one.

I'm not passing judgement as to whether or not life in the West is 'a better standard of life', I'm just saying that's why a lot of people emigrated in the first place, because in their mind, it was. Heck, a lot even emigrated in order to practice Islam, because their home countries were at that time unsatisfactory in that regard, from their point of view. However, even if the older generation may have made mistakes in terms of emigrating for the wrong reasons, that doesn't change the fact that the troublemakers today are certain members of the younger generation.

 

[Umar001]

I'm just calling it as I see it. The older generation seems to be fine with living in the West, and if you look at the minority of troublemakers within the Muslim community, they're young guys. I'm not saying all young Muslims are problematic, I'm just saying the problem with attitudes etc tends to lie with certain members of the younger (i.e. my) generation, rather than the older one.

I'm not passing judgement as to whether or not life in the West is 'a better standard of life', I'm just saying that's why a lot of people emigrated in the first place, because in their mind, it was. Heck, a lot even emigrated in order to practice Islam, because their home countries were at that time unsatisfactory in that regard, from their point of view. However, even if the older generation may have made mistakes in terms of emigrating for the wrong reasons, that doesn't change the fact that the troublemakers today are certain members of the younger generation.

Maybe we are reffering to two different things, you speak of problematic youth, I speak of awake youth. I don't know if its because we both see the same issue through different views or if we are just speaking about different things lol.

An example, starving person comes to the Uk, gets food, and forgets about his village who was starving with him, he gets comfortable. He has children, his children never starve, but they wake up and thruogh some means come to know that their village at home is starving, thus they act to stop that.

That is a picture I get, people came here and fell asleep, their children and reverts are now waking up, mainly probably because of TV and internet making remembering the people back home easier although as muslims they should do that anyway.

 

[Muezzin]

Maybe we are reffering to two different things, you speak of problematic youth, I speak of awake youth.

I agree with you in terms of the youth being acutely aware of the plight of Muslims, thanks to the internet etc. I also think there's a deal of identity-crisis-type things going on which contributes to that awareness. I don't think that all youths are problematic. I do think that the troublemakers in terms of terrorists come from the youth of the Western Muslim community, rather than the elders.

I don't know if its because we both see the same issue through different views or if we are just speaking about different things lol.

An example, starving person comes to the Uk, gets food, and forgets about his village who was starving with him, he gets comfortable. He has children, his children never starve, but they wake up and thruogh some means come to know that their village at home is starving, thus they act to stop that.

That is a picture I get, people came here and fell asleep, their children and reverts are now waking up, mainly probably because of TV and internet making remembering the people back home easier although as muslims they should do that anyway.

Empathy is good. It's good that the younger generation cares about the Muslims suffering everywhere, be they 'back home' or wherever. But when that empathy becomes twisted into vengeance, and people begin deliberately killing civilians as a response to Muslim civilians suffering, that is evil and must be stopped, no matter how angry we may feel at Muslims suffering unjustly.