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"muslims are the oppressors of women" - heard it all before? Well one form of ammunition for such anti-islamic propoganda material is "the permission for polygamy". Many Hindu and Christian missionaries preach about how polygamy is wrong and islam is thus wrong for making polygamy permissable for men.
Then why is it that BOTH hinduism AND christianity ALLOW polygamy? The scriptuers and laws may have been amended to suit the needs and desires, ther values and the cultures of contemporary society - But that doesnt matter because we should look at the original scriptures to see what was initially preached, because surely the original scriptures are the depiction of the REAL christianity and hinduism, not the new modern versions, because such innovations mean that christianity and hinduism are living with parallels within themselves, because their scriptures have been edited and thus corrupted, this makes the "modern" editions of both religions, nothing like the orthodox - thus making them a completely new religion. - this also raises the question of "just how old IS hinduism?" - but that's another topic all together.
In the bible we can clearly see the laws created on the grounds of polygamy in the chapter:Deuteronomy 21:15-17 we read, "If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."
Now come on, if polygamy in christianity was forbidden, then surely there wouldnt be a need for such a verse? Why on earth would a Christian require a ruling on keeping more than one wife, if such an act was prohibited anyway?
Now we come to Hinduism! Anyone who knows about the history of hinduism will know that "Lord Ram"s father had 4 wives.
"Krsna became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons : Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.
"One of Krsna's wives asked Krsna to give her a son equal to the lord of the gods" Linga Purana 1:69:71, 82-84.
"Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes." -- Visnusmrti 24:1.
"One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says." -- Manusmrti 8:203-4.
are they ashamed of their religions? is that why they edit their scriptures so often?..... No matter what they say about Islam, deep inside theyre ashamed of their own beliefs thus creating NEW beliefs and values. Apart from totally contradicting themselves and becoming hypocrites and two-faced liars... surely theyre also being blasphemous? In addition theyre also offending the very prophets (pbut) they follow, are they saying they know better than what Jesus (as) and Moses(as) inititally preached?
(also did anybody notice the lack of equality between the wives in the biblical quote, and the lack of equality between social hierarchy in the hindu quotes?)
I'll leave you to think about that one.
Id also like to add, The most common reason given for changing the polygamy law was because they believe that.. "As the civilization of the people reached a higher form and, especially under the teaching of the prophets, their moral and religious consciousness developed, the polygamous system gradually declined."
(http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FA...section-55.html)
What are they trying to say? Are they undermining the teachings of the Prophets (as)?? The prophets (as) were not your average human being, they were sent with a message, a message to reform society and bring them to the right path. Not JUST the society of of their contemporary, rather the societies of every generation. Thus the book should have been kept intact
There is great wisdom behind every ruling Allah swt sets and passes on through the word of the Messengers (as). I cant believe i have to even say this but surely they know that Allah swt KNOWS of the future? He swt knows how people will change, how society will develop, Why would Allah swt set rulings that will have no importance come nearer the time of judgment day??
Quote:
Nowadays, technically, polygamy is permitted among non-Ashkenazi
(non-Northern European tradition) Jews and Ashkenazi Jews who obtain
special permission of 100 rabbis (as in the case of (G-d forbid) a
wife who becomes incapacitated). However, this is largely an academic
question, because:
* Most Jews live in countries that ban polygamy by civil law.
* Most Jews still follow Rabenu Gershom's edict that banned
polygamy.
Yeminite Jews are a distinct case, being neither Ashkenazi or
Sephardi. The Yemenite Jews were isolated from all Jewish people from
the time of their exile in the middle of the first Temple period until
recently. Yeminite Jews do not follow Rabbi Gersonm's edict, and
believe that in some cases, the Torah even requires polygamy. An
example cited is the case of "yebum", in which a man's brother dies
and he must marry his wife, even if he is married already. As a
result, some Yemenite Jews still take plural wives.
Note: The Sephardic community in Israel has its own ban on performing
polygamous marriages in Israel. In Israel, some Yemenites who came
with more than one wife, still have them (including the last wave of
Like how many contradictions were there in that paragraph alone ?
(judaism - see link at top of this message for source). How many exceptions for
different types of people? Is there no form of unity?
immigration).
Ma'salaama
"muslims are the oppressors of women" - heard it all before? Well one form of ammunition for such anti-islamic propoganda material is "the permission for polygamy". Many Hindu and Christian missionaries preach about how polygamy is wrong and islam is thus wrong for making polygamy permissable for men.
Then why is it that BOTH hinduism AND christianity ALLOW polygamy? The scriptuers and laws may have been amended to suit the needs and desires, ther values and the cultures of contemporary society - But that doesnt matter because we should look at the original scriptures to see what was initially preached, because surely the original scriptures are the depiction of the REAL christianity and hinduism, not the new modern versions, because such innovations mean that christianity and hinduism are living with parallels within themselves, because their scriptures have been edited and thus corrupted, this makes the "modern" editions of both religions, nothing like the orthodox - thus making them a completely new religion. - this also raises the question of "just how old IS hinduism?" - but that's another topic all together.
In the bible we can clearly see the laws created on the grounds of polygamy in the chapter:Deuteronomy 21:15-17 we read, "If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."
Now come on, if polygamy in christianity was forbidden, then surely there wouldnt be a need for such a verse? Why on earth would a Christian require a ruling on keeping more than one wife, if such an act was prohibited anyway?
Now we come to Hinduism! Anyone who knows about the history of hinduism will know that "Lord Ram"s father had 4 wives.
"Krsna became a householder (head of a household) in Dvaraka and married many wives, and had many sons and grandsons : Srimad Bhagavatam 10:90:27-44; 11:1:1-4; 11:30:1-25.
"One of Krsna's wives asked Krsna to give her a son equal to the lord of the gods" Linga Purana 1:69:71, 82-84.
"Now a Brahmin may take four wives in the direct order of the (four) castes." -- Visnusmrti 24:1.
"One thing mixed with another should not be sold, nor anything that is spoiled, deficient, far away, or concealed. If one girl is shown but another is given to the bridegroom, he may marry both of them for the single bride-price; that is what Manu says." -- Manusmrti 8:203-4.
are they ashamed of their religions? is that why they edit their scriptures so often?..... No matter what they say about Islam, deep inside theyre ashamed of their own beliefs thus creating NEW beliefs and values. Apart from totally contradicting themselves and becoming hypocrites and two-faced liars... surely theyre also being blasphemous? In addition theyre also offending the very prophets (pbut) they follow, are they saying they know better than what Jesus (as) and Moses(as) inititally preached?
(also did anybody notice the lack of equality between the wives in the biblical quote, and the lack of equality between social hierarchy in the hindu quotes?)
I'll leave you to think about that one.
Id also like to add, The most common reason given for changing the polygamy law was because they believe that.. "As the civilization of the people reached a higher form and, especially under the teaching of the prophets, their moral and religious consciousness developed, the polygamous system gradually declined."
(http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FA...section-55.html)
What are they trying to say? Are they undermining the teachings of the Prophets (as)?? The prophets (as) were not your average human being, they were sent with a message, a message to reform society and bring them to the right path. Not JUST the society of of their contemporary, rather the societies of every generation. Thus the book should have been kept intact
There is great wisdom behind every ruling Allah swt sets and passes on through the word of the Messengers (as). I cant believe i have to even say this but surely they know that Allah swt KNOWS of the future? He swt knows how people will change, how society will develop, Why would Allah swt set rulings that will have no importance come nearer the time of judgment day??
Quote:
Nowadays, technically, polygamy is permitted among non-Ashkenazi
(non-Northern European tradition) Jews and Ashkenazi Jews who obtain
special permission of 100 rabbis (as in the case of (G-d forbid) a
wife who becomes incapacitated). However, this is largely an academic
question, because:
* Most Jews live in countries that ban polygamy by civil law.
* Most Jews still follow Rabenu Gershom's edict that banned
polygamy.
Yeminite Jews are a distinct case, being neither Ashkenazi or
Sephardi. The Yemenite Jews were isolated from all Jewish people from
the time of their exile in the middle of the first Temple period until
recently. Yeminite Jews do not follow Rabbi Gersonm's edict, and
believe that in some cases, the Torah even requires polygamy. An
example cited is the case of "yebum", in which a man's brother dies
and he must marry his wife, even if he is married already. As a
result, some Yemenite Jews still take plural wives.
Note: The Sephardic community in Israel has its own ban on performing
polygamous marriages in Israel. In Israel, some Yemenites who came
with more than one wife, still have them (including the last wave of
Like how many contradictions were there in that paragraph alone ?
(judaism - see link at top of this message for source). How many exceptions for
different types of people? Is there no form of unity?
immigration).
Ma'salaama
