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I've just read throught the whole thread - can someone explain the first post in english?! The pope coverted from islaam to Christianity?
help
some pope baptized an ex-muslim in public.
thats about it
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I wanna conquer Europe though!
Fuhrer is that you...?
It's old news now anyway! - Fitna the film is the new thing!
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Vatican: convert who slammed Islam doesn't express pope's views
VATICAN CITY: The convert from Islam who denounced what he called "inherent" violence in Islam a day after Pope Benedict XVI baptized him was not expressing the pope's views, a Vatican spokesman said Thursday.
Magdi Allam, an Egyptian-born deputy editor of Corriere della Sera newspaper and frequent commentator on Islamic terrorism, "has the right to express his own ideas, which remain his personal ideas, without obviously becoming in any way the official expression of the positions of the pope or the Holy See," said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the chief Vatican spokesman.
Benedict baptized Allam, 55, in St. Peter's Basilica on Saturday night during an Easter vigil ceremony televised worldwide.
Lombardi told Vatican Radio that "to welcome into the church a new believer obviously does not signify marrying all his ideas and views, particularly on political or social subjects."
Allam sparked anger in the Muslim world when he wrote in Corriere della Sera a day after his baptism that Islam is "physiologically violent and historically conflictual."
Among those criticizing the Vatican for allowing Allam to convert in such a high-profile way was a Muslim scholar, Aref Ali Nayed, who participated in recent Vatican talks to improve Catholic-Muslim relations.
Nayed, who directs the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center in Amman, Jordan, denounced what he called "the Vatican's deliberate and provocative act."
Nayed also expressed dismay that the baptism was held while "sincere Muslims and Catholics are working very hard to mend ruptures."
Earlier this month, Nayed participated in two days of talks at the Vatican to prepare for an audience in November between the pontiff and Muslim religious leaders and scholars.
Lombardi said the Vatican holds Nayed in "very high esteem" and expressed satisfaction that he still was wants to pursue dialogue.
The Vatican wants to mend relations with moderate Islam and has placed importance on the upcoming audience with representatives of 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the pope last year calling for greater Muslim-Christian dialogue.
That dialogue "is of extreme importance, and shouldn't be interrupted," Lombardi said. "It takes priority over episodes that can be the object of misunderstanding."
A speech by the pope in 2006 citing a medieval emperor's words about Islam and violence angered many in the Muslim world. Benedict later expressed regret that the speech had caused anger.
Allam has built his career as commentator and book author on attacking Islamic extremism and supporting Israel.
On Tuesday, the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano described his baptism as a papal "gesture" aimed at stressing religious freedom and harboring "no hostile intentions" toward Islam.
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VATICAN CITY: The convert from Islam who denounced what he called "inherent" violence in Islam a day after Pope Benedict XVI baptized him was not expressing the pope's views, a Vatican spokesman said Thursday.
Magdi Allam, an Egyptian-born deputy editor of Corriere della Sera newspaper and frequent commentator on Islamic terrorism, "has the right to express his own ideas, which remain his personal ideas, without obviously becoming in any way the official expression of the positions of the pope or the Holy See," said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the chief Vatican spokesman.
Benedict baptized Allam, 55, in St. Peter's Basilica on Saturday night during an Easter vigil ceremony televised worldwide.
Lombardi told Vatican Radio that "to welcome into the church a new believer obviously does not signify marrying all his ideas and views, particularly on political or social subjects."
Allam sparked anger in the Muslim world when he wrote in Corriere della Sera a day after his baptism that Islam is "physiologically violent and historically conflictual."
Among those criticizing the Vatican for allowing Allam to convert in such a high-profile way was a Muslim scholar, Aref Ali Nayed, who participated in recent Vatican talks to improve Catholic-Muslim relations.
Nayed, who directs the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center in Amman, Jordan, denounced what he called "the Vatican's deliberate and provocative act."
Nayed also expressed dismay that the baptism was held while "sincere Muslims and Catholics are working very hard to mend ruptures."
Earlier this month, Nayed participated in two days of talks at the Vatican to prepare for an audience in November between the pontiff and Muslim religious leaders and scholars.
Lombardi said the Vatican holds Nayed in "very high esteem" and expressed satisfaction that he still was wants to pursue dialogue.
The Vatican wants to mend relations with moderate Islam and has placed importance on the upcoming audience with representatives of 138 Muslim scholars who wrote to the pope last year calling for greater Muslim-Christian dialogue.
That dialogue "is of extreme importance, and shouldn't be interrupted," Lombardi said. "It takes priority over episodes that can be the object of misunderstanding."
A speech by the pope in 2006 citing a medieval emperor's words about Islam and violence angered many in the Muslim world. Benedict later expressed regret that the speech had caused anger.
Allam has built his career as commentator and book author on attacking Islamic extremism and supporting Israel.
On Tuesday, the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano described his baptism as a papal "gesture" aimed at stressing religious freedom and harboring "no hostile intentions" toward Islam.
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Jazaak'Allah Khair for the article, brother Osman.
Jazaak'Allah Khair for the article, brother Osman.
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Fuhrer is that you...?
Nope. Unlike Nazis we use peaceful weapons. Like the giant bundle of grass and flowers and cat hair positioned in space above Europe. When their armies start marching, we will deploy 'Operation Olbas Oil'. All the soldiers will go home on sick-leave with runny noses, whilst I will inherit the continent!
Muhahahaha!:raging:I will then sell handkerchieves to the populace at extortionary prices. And bring back window taxes. And ban wearing yellow in public.
I sound like an evil genius now...
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lol so funny, ppl have a right to express their views? HAHAHA this comming from the catholic church which led campaigns to kill anyone who had different ideas to that of the catholic church.
anyways, since the pope is for freedom of expression let me express my feelings:
i think the catholic church sucks and is made up of pedo's and thieves, and i think the pope looks like a vampire and is very stupid just like his beliefs. thank you pope.
anyways, since the pope is for freedom of expression let me express my feelings:
i think the catholic church sucks and is made up of pedo's and thieves, and i think the pope looks like a vampire and is very stupid just like his beliefs. thank you pope.
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Nope. Unlike Nazis we use peaceful weapons. Like the giant bundle of grass and flowers and cat hair positioned in space above Europe. When their armies start marching, we will deploy 'Operation Olbas Oil'. All the soldiers will go home on sick-leave with runny noses, whilst I will inherit the continent!
I will then sell handkerchieves to the populace at extortionary prices. And bring back window taxes. And ban wearing yellow in public.
I sound like an evil genius now...
Haha - You're safe! :statisfie
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SubhanAllah, this pope has been very anti-Islamic since the day he came in. He is shaming Christians, the previous pope, was a man with respect to all peoples from all faiths.
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Well he is a Nazi. JP II - Was kind, he met up with various people of Faiths. This tart is saying Sikhs have to take off the Kirpans in order to meet him, which wasn't the case with JP II. Sikh Org, has declined to meet him, out of principle. The Nazi scum! :raging:
Using offensive language is sign of lack of culture. Pope's job isnt to make others feel better but to speak the biblical message.
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What version though...? He's a Nazi, and Catholics aren't Christians, they are a sect. With twisted beliefs! Corrupted, ETC ETC.
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I dont know anything about your religion, I have never met any Sikh in my life, so if you can, dont make me think that all Sikhs are such "tolerant" and "kind" like you.
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Aaron85;921329[B said:
Educate yourself.
I don't have to agree with the pope. That's my perogative.