Pope Seen Criticizing Islam

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Yea...thats really wrong..=\

 

[جوري]

miscellaneous attacks

So now it is the pope.... and a far cry he is from the previous one.... not so long ago he was attacked for his so-called Nazi roots or support for "nazism" ? but now in light of Bush's losses ... he (the bush that is) incites here and there support from other countries in his so-called war against "terrorism" in essence just Islam...so it wouldn't just be his evangelical church but the Roman catholic as well.... with support and sympathy from south American countries such as The Venezuelan chavez to Arabs and Muslims ... undoubtedly Bush and his cronies throughout the world wish to arouse a catholic revolt against Muslims....if he can get enough of a provocation from the Muslim world to revolt against the pope so that such countries who sympathize with Islamic causes are angered turn with Bush against the Muslims then he can strengthen his grip ... like the previous lowly toons made in Denmark and spreading like wild fire all over Europe to get all of Europe to "unite against a common enemy" he hopes to gain new incentive with this new event....It is all so comedically timed for those of us discerning and paying attention... I truly detest the ******* and his satanic grip on the world.... I think Muslims should consider the next move very carefully ... we need to be wise ... less emotional more aware ... why do we not address these issues with Muslim scholars to find the best approach rather than the usual absent mindedness in response ... what do other members think?

 

[ManchesterFolk]

It happens both ways:

How about we learn to respect???

What if Christians made an advertisement in the newspapers of Saudi Arabia announcing that we have a lot in common, we love Muslims and respect their religion, but we don’t believe Allah is God or Muhammad is a prophet of the God of the Bible?

Would they let us run these advertisements in their newspapers?
Would they see this as an expression of love and respect?
The answer is a resounding NO. Not only would they not allow such advertisements, but the Muslim world (as usual) would go into a rage with uproar of insults and cries of accusations against all Christians for blaspheming their prophet and Allah, followed by fatwas to kill the people that dared to even suggest those advertisements.

Well, this is exactly what CAIR is doing to the Christians of America and the world by putting these deceiving, blasphemous and hugely insulting ads on the pages of American newspapers. And to add insult to injury, CAIR offers us the poison wrapped in Islamic honey as an act of love and respect, expecting us to swallow it with tears of gratitude in our eyes and choked of emotion as we, the kafirs that believe falsely in a God incarnate Jesus of the Bible, rejoice and recite after CAIR thank you Islam.

 

[Rou]

There have been violent attacks on Churches in the ME because of the Pope's comments. This is beginning to be a pattern. Some non-muslim says or writes or draws something that offends Muslims and violence and bloodshed is the response. (Danish cartoons, Rushdie, Van Gogh, etc) You don't see a parallel in ANY modern religion except Islam. The need to respond violently to mere words.

P.S. You want to talk about ignorance? How about attacking a Greek Orthodox church for the words of the Catholic Pope.

lol i see no one denying that to attack a church for the words of the pope is a bad thing?

of course it is and yes indeed ignorant..as i stated an apology made and thats fair enough but lets not forget that this will affect the world and im sure we are all aware of the balance of peace and war at the moment perhaps the pope shud have thought about that before using such examples without explaining them...

you say no other religon reacts in this way? thats beacuse we dont take lightly to anyone over stepping the line with our religon allah comes first then everything else...

and apart from that we dont have the law on our side for someone to insult islam is not looked into on the other hand deny the holocaust (and im not doing that im showing an example) and you could be jailed as was a certain professor for five years...

wether he deserved it or not is not what im on about my point is the same does not apply for islam...

i am glad my people dont take lightly to religous slander that does not mean attacking churches thats just either the enemies of islam playing there cards or dumb ignorant muslims attacking a house of god that in any terms is wrong...

but lets not play the any modern religon etc...there are many atrocities carried out by christians and jews aswell as muslims. but again are those truly followers of that religon? or just misled people...

i dont judge a religon by the acts a few of its followers and urge you not to either...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

It happens both ways:

How about we learn to respect???

What if Christians made an advertisement in the newspapers of Saudi Arabia announcing that we have a lot in common, we love Muslims and respect their religion, but we don’t believe Allah is God or Muhammad is a prophet of the God of the Bible?

Would they let us run these advertisements in their newspapers?
Would they see this as an expression of love and respect?
The answer is a resounding NO. Not only would they not allow such advertisements, but the Muslim world (as usual) would go into a rage with uproar of insults and cries of accusations against all Christians for blaspheming their prophet and Allah, followed by fatwas to kill the people that dared to even suggest those advertisements.

Well, this is exactly what CAIR is doing to the Christians of America and the world by putting these deceiving, blasphemous and hugely insulting ads on the pages of American newspapers. And to add insult to injury, CAIR offers us the poison wrapped in Islamic honey as an act of love and respect, expecting us to swallow it with tears of gratitude in our eyes and choked of emotion as we, the kafirs that believe falsely in a God incarnate Jesus of the Bible, rejoice and recite after CAIR thank you Islam.

Wow...u should be a leader of the ignorants...sad...
and u get upset when someone insults u on here? wth u doing? speaking words of honey?
get real son..

 

[Muezzin]

There have been violent attacks on Churches in the ME because of the Pope's comments. This is beginning to be a pattern. Some non-muslim says or writes or draws something that offends Muslims and violence and bloodshed is the response. (Danish cartoons, Rushdie, Van Gogh, etc) You don't see a parallel in ANY modern religion except Islam. The need to respond violently to mere words.

Yes, you do. Some crazy Christian extremists like to burn down abortion clinics; some insane Hindu extremists like to kill Christian business men who are accused of killing their wives; some nutty Buddhist extremists like to target churches in Sri Lanka.

I'm seeing a pattern. A lot of modern religions have their violent fruitcakes, not just Islam, and all of said nutters should be dealt with accordingly if they break the law.

 

[Ghazi]

Re: miscellaneous attacks

arouse a catholic revolt against Muslims....

Intresting but I don't think this would play well for either side when religion is mentioned along side conflict then people will be forced to take sides, thats why the US try and distence the current war in iraq and afganistan away from religion cause they realise that it'll result in Jihad, if anything it'll be a proxy war of words, anything more then it'll turn into a full scale conflict just look what happened over a few words.

 

[glo]

Interesting point, ManchesterFolk.

I think the problem is that it is actually incredibly difficult to
a) respect another faith, and yet at the same time to
b) disagree with it and believe it to be wrong.

I try to walk this path, but it is a very narrow path indeed. :uuh:

I don't know anything about CAIR. Do you have any more information or links? (If it takes this thread off topic, please PM me instead! Thanks.)

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Stuff he is saying about the CAIR is bunch of crud in a basket. Just because it doesnt fit your mentality doesnt make u right.
http://www.cair-net.org/

 

[glo]

Yes, you do. Some crazy Christian extremists like to burn down abortion clinics; some insane Hindu extremists like to kill Christian business men who are accused of killing their wives; some nutty Buddhist extremists like to target churches in Sri Lanka.

I'm seeing a pattern. A lot of modern religions have their violent fruitcakes, not just Islam, and all of said nutters should be dealt with accordingly if they break the law.

Why do you feel the need to point the finger at other faiths right now, Muezzin?? (Please search your heart)
Do two wrongs make a right?
Why not just admit that people attacking churches in retaliation of the Pope's comments are wrong and that their acts should be condemned?

When will this endless tit-for-tat end???

Time to take time out, I think ... (for me, I mean ...)

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Glo, the point ur making is his point. He's pointing fingers at the Muslims for somethin every religion has, saying only Islam has it. He shouldnt be connecting their acts to "Islam." Its people who are misrepresenting Islam.

 

[Muezzin]

It happens both ways:

How about we learn to respect???

What if Christians made an advertisement in the newspapers of Saudi Arabia announcing that we have a lot in common, we love Muslims and respect their religion, but we don’t believe Allah is God or Muhammad is a prophet of the God of the Bible?

Would they let us run these advertisements in their newspapers?
Would they see this as an expression of love and respect?
The answer is a resounding NO. Not only would they not allow such advertisements, but the Muslim world (as usual) would go into a rage with uproar of insults and cries of accusations against all Christians for blaspheming their prophet and Allah, followed by fatwas to kill the people that dared to even suggest those advertisements.

How can you possibly know that without even trying?

Well, this is exactly what CAIR is doing to the Christians of America and the world by putting these deceiving, blasphemous and hugely insulting ads on the pages of American newspapers. And to add insult to injury, CAIR offers us the poison wrapped in Islamic honey as an act of love and respect, expecting us to swallow it with tears of gratitude in our eyes and choked of emotion as we, the kafirs that believe falsely in a God incarnate Jesus of the Bible, rejoice and recite after CAIR thank you Islam.

Somewhere among that hate is a point and a reason for me not to warn you. I await clarification.

Why do you feel the need to point the finger at other faiths right now, Muezzin?? (Please search your heart)
Do two wrongs make a right?
Why not just admit that people attacking churches in retaliation of the Pope's comments are wrong and that their acts should be condemned?

When will this endless tit-for-tat end???

Time to take time out, I think ... (for me, I mean ...)

No, no, I agree with you. Their acts should be condemned. Attacking churches, burning effigies? This is not the way of Islam. Attacking churches is the way of a criminal, and burning effigies is just ludicrous.

I'm pointing out that other religions have their minority of idiots who shame the majority, too.

 

[glo]

Glo, the point ur making is his point. He's pointing fingers at the Muslims for somethin every religion has.

Perhaps you are right, Tayyaba.
Sorry, Muezzin, if I have taken your post the wrong way!!

I'm getting a bit defensive here ... all the more reason to take a breather ... :hiding:

Peace, guys.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Wow...u should be a leader of the ignorants...sad...
and u get upset when someone insults u on here? wth u doing? speaking words of honey?
get real son..

I should be the leader of ignorants? Muslims get mad when Danes isnult their prophet and rightly so... Yet you say a Christian should not be angry when a Muslim group insults Christianity?

And I am the ignorant one?

Somewhere among that hate is a point and a reason for me not to warn you. I await clarification.

I just get angry when somone gets angry at a "Pope" for isnulting Islam, when Muslims have done the say. The point is that there are groups who insult people and ATTACKING A CHURCH, is not the way to EVER settle differences. I'm sorry if I offended you. I just get angry at this useless violence and insults take place when one must realize that ALL do it, and no religion is innocent. Islam or Christianity. You both have racidals, and both have psyco's out there. Just accept that there are some, and try and keep the peace. Violence is never the awnser and my post was to show insults have been done towards Christians as well.

 

[Rou]

It happens both ways:

How about we learn to respect???

What if Christians made an advertisement in the newspapers of Saudi Arabia announcing that we have a lot in common, we love Muslims and respect their religion, but we don’t believe Allah is God or Muhammad is a prophet of the God of the Bible?

Would they let us run these advertisements in their newspapers?
Would they see this as an expression of love and respect?
The answer is a resounding NO. Not only would they not allow such advertisements, but the Muslim world (as usual) would go into a rage with uproar of insults and cries of accusations against all Christians for blaspheming their prophet and Allah, followed by fatwas to kill the people that dared to even suggest those advertisements.

Well, this is exactly what CAIR is doing to the Christians of America and the world by putting these deceiving, blasphemous and hugely insulting ads on the pages of American newspapers. And to add insult to injury, CAIR offers us the poison wrapped in Islamic honey as an act of love and respect, expecting us to swallow it with tears of gratitude in our eyes and choked of emotion as we, the kafirs that believe falsely in a God incarnate Jesus of the Bible, rejoice and recite after CAIR thank you Islam.

lol how funny yes indeed and (as usual) there seems to be a need to express such views against islam???? and the always needed BUT...

seems people are obbsessed with having to have words with islam and its followers??

where have muslims posted comments about christians and there religons as would be or the jewish faith!??

we talk people not gods....or religon....

what muslim came over to UK or USA demanding u turn muslim or questioning christian faith on a media scale from saudia arabia or anywhere else????

it seems the west is obbsessed with insulting islam and then not taking any responsbility when people get ticked off?!???

look slap a bee hive and expect to get stung...

and over all mate if you have just said you respect muslim religon and then said you dont think they are part of the same god and muhammed was not a prophet then you have two contradicting situations???

so what would you expect a round of applause???

heres a message from me mate to christians and jews you ready???


"we are all brothers and sisters there are many lost muslims indeed just as there are many lost jews and christians in the end we are all following our religon and the one god may he give us the strength to find a peaceful and unified future peace be upon you."

here go print that in your newspapers and see how many rise in anger!?

When you print an insult expect anger when you print in peace expect peace...

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

I should be the leader of ignorants? Muslims get mad when Danes isnult their prophet and rightly so... Yet you say a Christian should not be angry when a Muslim group insults Christianity?

And I am the ignorant one?

No one is saying u cannot get angry. I dont like it either when the so called Muslims do that because Islam forbids it!
We dont like when people criticise any prophet of the Abrahamic faiths. Excuse you but when did i say u cant get angry? Why are u inventing words in ur head? Yea your are ignorant..

 

[Muezzin]

I just get angry when somone gets angry at a "Pope" for isnulting Islam, when Muslims have done the say. The point is that there are groups who insult people and ATTACKING A CHURCH, is not the way to EVER settle differences.

I agree. I hope the culprits are prosecuted.

I'm sorry if I offended you. I just get angry at this useless violence and insults take place when one must realize that ALL do it, and no religion is innocent. Islam or Christianity.

I agree with you there. All religions have their fair share of violent fools who ruin things for the peaceful majority.

 

[glo]

I have feeling that we are all agreeing that people should not make attacks (verbal or physical) on each others religions, beliefs and faiths!
Perhaps we should all focus on that, rather than start doing the same to each other here! I'm getting quite upset about it ...

 

[blunderbus]

"Yes, you do. Some crazy Christian extremists like to burn down abortion clinics; some insane Hindu extremists like to kill Christian business men who are accused of killing their wives; some nutty Buddhist extremists like to target churches in Sri Lanka."

No you don't.
The examples you cited are for ACTS not WORDS. The Christian extremist bombs abortion clinics (which is wrong) for what they DO not what they SAY.

When a writer writes or a artist draws or a filmaker films something offensive to non-Muslims you don't see these violent often lethal demonstrations, or acts of homicide at anywhere near the same frequency as when Muslims are offended.

Some on this very board have claimed it's a good thing that Muslims are so protective of their religion. Fine, but if you think violence is a valid response to insulting words you are not a peaceful person. If it is a part of Islam then Islam is not a peaceful religion.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Wow u mixed so much up i wana laff at u...hard!! LOL.
You say what the Christians did are wrong...we believe the same thing in case of the "Muslims" who do the same! We dont agree, try reading the posts man, honestly! Violence at civilians is NOT, i repeat NOT NOT NOT a valid reason. Islam forbids it!! We basically answered all this a few times before your post, but u didnt read. Well read now!...k thnx..