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[doorster]

I wouldn't have anything to say to you to begin with if you didn't make constant snide remarks to me, now would I?

You don't need permission to argue with me. You are a big boy, please go ahead and spew publically all your unfounded hatred on me for not being a muslim. You'll only manage to push me further away from Islam, as your disgusting behavior has done the last two days, congratulations!

ooh what lovely manners

BTW I do need permission unless I want to be deleted/banned etc. which I would not want for time being

the thread is STILL about what we, Muslims, are allowed to eat, it is not about mistranslation of Bible or Quraan or about anyone's ego trips

 

[YusufNoor]

ooh what lovely manners

BTW I do need permission unless I want to be deleted/banned etc. which I would not want for time being

the thread is STILL about what we, Muslims, are allowed to eat, it is not about mistranslation of Bible or Quraan or about anyone's ego trips

Brother Shabbir,

perhaps you missed what the Sister in humanity was referring to? it was regarding what is lawful to Christians; which was a subset of this little discussion about whether or not food of the people of the book was OK for Muslims. after all, if the Christians decide that EVERYTHING for them is lawful, does that mean we can eat it? [which is, btw, a rhetorical question]

also, i was reading the nice article that you posted and i was having trouble reconciling these 2 statements:

Does saying bismillah at the time of eating make the meat halal?

Some Muslims argue that since the Qur’an decrees the mention of Allah’s name for the meat to be halal, one may just simply say bismillah at the time of consumption if he has doubt of it having been slaughtered properly.

Dr. Donia addresses to this question as well very beautifully in the following words:

* “I have never heard that saying Bismillah on food which is unlawful turns it into lawful food. What I am sure of is that the Prophet (pbuh) used to say Bismillah when he commenced eating any food or drinking liquids, thereby blessing them and making them useful with the grace of Bismillah. Furthermore, he advised Muslims to do the same, but he never told them that what was unlawful could be lawful by saying Bismillah over it.”

Therefore, the message of this hadith is that the situation warrants an exception to the rule. If we realize that there is a situation in the initial stages of da`wah (invitation to the Straight Path) which warrants a similar need, then we may consider following this practice. In other words, if we are in a situation where we do not want to hurt the feelings of our host who is keen to learn about our ways and the Truth while we preach Islam to him, then we may consume the meat after saying bismillahir rahimanir rahim. This could be while preaching to a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Many of today’s Muslims are like the new Muslims who have little knowledge of Islam. Likewise, when Muslims living in the West visit the homes of Christians and Jews, they can get themselves into an embarrassing situation by refusing to eat the food that is offered. This could hurt the feelings of the host while the visitor is trying to tell him about Islam

is that an ad hoc ijtihad? or a fatwa? it would seem rather...Paulian to decide that one can ignore the Qur'an simply to hope to gain a revert, doesn't it?

perhaps you could shed some light upon it?

 

[doorster]

Therefore, the message of this hadith is that the situation warrants an exception to the rule. If we realize that there is a situation in the initial stages of da`wah (invitation to the Straight Path) which warrants a similar need, then we may consider following this practice. In other words, if we are in a situation where we do not want to hurt the feelings of our host who is keen to learn about our ways and the Truth while we preach Islam to him, then we may consume the meat after saying bismillahir rahimanir rahim. This could be while preaching to a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Many of today’s Muslims are like the new Muslims who have little knowledge of Islam. Likewise, when Muslims living in the West visit the homes of Christians and Jews, they can get themselves into an embarrassing situation by refusing to eat the food that is offered. This could hurt the feelings of the host while the visitor is trying to tell him about Islam

is that an ad hoc ijtihad? or a fatwa? it would seem rather...Paulian to decide that one can ignore the Qur'an simply to hope to gain a revert, doesn't it?

perhaps you could shed some light upon it?

It is in context of a country where Arab scholars made it absolutely halal to consume supermarket meat on basis of the hadees

what you highlight is is rather a refutation of those who are using hadees to make it halal to consume on permanent basis, whereas we will only eat this food in absolutely extreme cases and It is Not recommended for the normal every day Muslim to put him/herself in to a situation like quoted above, for they are not trained to judge whether someone is on verge of coming to Islam or just out to corrupt them, teachers/Imams etc could eat before they make a visit and abstain from such food and accept a tea or other soft drink.
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Regarding the sister in humanity, she has taken a dislike to brother alucard in lieu of something that I pointed out in one of her posts, since then she went ballistic and started an off-topic-post festival in at least 3 threads (called me a lapdog etc.) http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-support/134279703-being-gay-muslim-2.html#post1112670

 

[AnonyMouse~]

Its amnuh with a 'UH' on this site, got it?

and its ok girlfrayand~ dont be sorry.

if u accepted it just cuz i said it ur belief about it wudnt be as strong so alhamdulilah at least now u accept with complete faith

 

[KiWi]

Its amnuh with a 'UH' on this site, got it?

and its ok girlfrayand~ dont be sorry.

if u accepted it just cuz i said it ur belief about it wudnt be as strong so alhamdulilah at least now u accept with complete faith

geeeeee amnUH happy? XD
anyways, alhamdulillah at least now it makes sense :statisfie