Pray or die, Somali sheikh tells Muslims By Guled Mohamed and Mohamed Ali Bile

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searchingsoul said:
Such thinking is dangerous in the 21st century. With all respect, I think people with such thoughts need to closely examine what they are doing for the image of Islam, and hold themselves responsible for all hostilities and injustices perpetrated toward Muslims worldwide.
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im sorry but we arent here to apply islam in a way the is compatible with the west or modern society.

islam isnt just a religion- its a political system too, it has a law, and we have to follow that law. we cant just pick and choose the 'pretty' parts of the law and apply them to make people happy with this sissy version of islam, you apply it all, and properly, and make God and the true believers happy.

you might think its too harsh to kill apostates, but you know, they have comitted the biggest sin and there is no hope left for them. they arent going to benefit anyone, they will just cause trouble and bring the people away from islam.

if you are looking at things in the perspective of this world, it might look harsh, but when you look at it in the perspective of the here-after, their final destination is hell, and they are going to be tormented there forever.
 
cheese said:
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im sorry but we arent here to apply islam in a way the is compatible with the west or modern society.

But do you understand that possessing such views gives many, many people justification for ill-treatment of Muslims?

As long as you know what to expect, I suppose that type of thinking is okay.

islam isnt just a religion- its a political system too, it has a law, and we have to follow that law. we cant just pick and choose the 'pretty' parts of the law and apply them to make people happy with this sissy version of islam, you apply it all, and properly, and make God and the true believers happy.

I've noticed that some muslims tend to combine Islam with politics when it's convenient. If in fact Islam is a political system, you must understand that non-muslims do not welcome your presence. If you expect non-muslims to accept Islam as a political system what right do you have to expect fair treatment? Non-muslims would be fools to embrace muslims, according to this criteria!

you might think its too harsh to kill apostates, but you know, they have comitted the biggest sin and there is no hope left for them. they arent going to benefit anyone, they will just cause trouble and bring the people away from islam.

If there is no coercion in Islam, death for apostates doesn't make sense.



if you are looking at things in the perspective of this world, it might look harsh, but when you look at it in the perspective of the here-after, their final destination is hell, and they are going to be tormented there forever.
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I read your response and feel that you have no desire to co-exist peacefully. It's your Muslim way or nothing. Is this correct?
 
searchingsoul said:
I read your response and feel that you have no desire to co-exist peacefully. It's your Muslim way or nothing. Is this correct?
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do you christians always enjoy twisting the Muslims comments:? , the sister never said that she didn't want to co-exist peacefully so please don't put words in people's mouths.
 
searchingsoul said:
I read your response and feel that you have no desire to co-exist peacefully. It's your Muslim way or nothing. Is this correct?
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"There is no compulsion in religion" means you cant force people to accept Islam, but once they are Muslims, they have to follow Islamic law, which means that when they do a crime, as defined by Islamic law, they have to be punished in accordance to Islamic law.

Thank you Nusaybah. My post had nothing at all to do at all with co-existance, it was about Muslims dealing with each other.
 
Nusaybah said:
do you christians always enjoy twisting the Muslims comments:? , the sister never said that she didn't want to co-exist peacefully so please don't put words in people's mouths.
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Wouldn't co-existence include apostates? I'm confused by your statement.

If you read closely, you'll see that I was not putting words in her mouth. I made a statement and asked a question.
 
cheese said:
"There is no compulsion in religion" means you cant force people to accept Islam, but once they are Muslims, they have to follow Islamic law, which means that when they do a crime, as defined by Islamic law, they have to be punished in accordance to Islamic law.

Thank you Nusaybah. My post had nothing at all to do at all with co-existance, it was about Muslims dealing with each other.
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Thanks for the clarification cheese. I still don't understand how a person born into a religion has a choice.

It's comforting to know that as a Christian I'm safe. My husband on the other hand probably needs his head chopped off. ;D
 
searchingsoul said:
Thanks for the clarification cheese. I still don't understand how a person born into a religion has a choice.

It's comforting to know that as a Christian I'm safe. My husband on the other hand probably needs his head chopped off. ;D
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Youre welcome.

Um not to sound harsh, but no non-muslim is safe. They might be safe in this world, but in the next world they will spend eternity in the hell fire for their disbelieve in the Oneness of Allah swt. :rollseyes

Although i dont think the classification of a 'disbeliever' is so clear-cut. There may be conditions, such as having the truth presented to the person in its real form (i.e. the real complete truth) before the rejecter can be considered a disbeliever.
 
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~salaam~

I think it's right n again right.Many ppl say they r muslims n dont want to act according to Islam,they should be waken up,they've been sleeping for too long,
Mashallah to our bros in Somalia

Islam for Somalia,
Islam is freedom for all
No oppression
 
I support the Somalis........ they r doing the right thing..... good keep it up:)........ dont worry about the west..... those guys always peep into islamic nations... and create a scene...........

Those west people encourage BARS, SEX SHOPS, SEX MOVIES, PROSTITUTION, CASINOS, .... ALL NONSENSE THINGS.... AND SAY "THATS FREEDOM"......

BUT WHEN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY IS AGAINST THESE THINGS... AND IF IT FOLLOWS STRICT LAWS......... THEY START BLAMING
 
Muzammil said:
I support the Somalis........ they r doing the right thing..... good keep it up:)........ dont worry about the west..... those guys always peep into islamic nations... and create a scene...........

Those west people encourage BARS, SEX SHOPS, SEX MOVIES, PROSTITUTION, CASINOS, .... ALL NONSENSE THINGS.... AND SAY "THATS FREEDOM"......

BUT WHEN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY IS AGAINST THESE THINGS... AND IF IT FOLLOWS STRICT LAWS......... THEY START BLAMING
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Exactly! I totally agree with yah:)
Way to go Somalia! awesome:statisfie
 
Somalina said:
Many ppl say they r muslims n dont want to act according to Islam,they should be waken up,they've been sleeping for too long,
Mashallah to our bros in Somalia

Islam for Somalia,
Islam is freedom for all
No oppression
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I am totally in favour of no oppression. I am totally in favour of freedom for all. It may come as a surprise that I am totally in favour of Islamic law in Somalia if that is what the Somalis want. I would prefer elections, but this ought to do. Do you really think though that it will bring an end to oppression and allow freedom? They shot a guy dead today for protesting about taxes. But it is an idea whose time has come and needs to be tried.

It is weird that you all seem to think that death for not praying is acceptable. Still, each to their own.
 
HeiGou said:
It is weird that you all seem to think that death for not praying is acceptable. Still, each to their own.
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Well.....if a person says that Prayers are not obligatory.....and that he is not gonna do it because that is what he believes..........then killin him is acceptable.
 
Except if the person is new to Islam.....then he should be taught that prayers are obligatory to all mature muslims.
 
MUNIRAH said:
Well.....if a person says that Prayers are not obligatory.....and that he is not gonna do it because that is what he believes..........then killin him is acceptable.
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OK. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe.
 
HeiGou said:
I am totally in favour of no oppression. I am totally in favour of freedom for all. It may come as a surprise that I am totally in favour of Islamic law in Somalia if that is what the Somalis want. I would prefer elections, but this ought to do. Do you really think though that it will bring an end to oppression and allow freedom? They shot a guy dead today for protesting about taxes. But it is an idea whose time has come and needs to be tried.

It is weird that you all seem to think that death for not praying is acceptable. Still, each to their own.
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It depends on wat U call Oppression n Freedom
If being kept aware of ur duties to Ur Lord,Ur Sustainer,
The one U BELIEVE in,, is oppression den i say bye bye to freedom

//NB:they were peacefully told to do it,THEY KNOW,it's a MUST as they claim to be muslims,I just hope non muslims dont interfere!
 
HeiGou said:
OK. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe.
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yup....that is what I beleive......:) Alhamdulilah I am so lucky!
This is based o*n the authentic hadith in which my Prophet (peace be upon him) said,

"Between a person and kufr (disbelief) and shirk (associating partners with Allah) is the abandonment of the prayer."

This was recorded by Imam Muslim in his Sahih. The Prophet (peace be upon him) also said,

"The covenant dividing us and them is the prayer. Whoever abandons it has committed kufr (apostasy)."
 

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