Preachers must not impose on others

[north_malaysian]

NIK AZIZ: PREACHERS MUST NOT IMPOSE ON OTHERS​

KOTA BHARU: Islamic missionaries and those propagating its teachings must not impose their religious beliefs on others, said Chief Minister and PAS (Parti Islam SeMalaysia - PAN MALAYSIA ISLAMIC PARTY) Spiritual Adviser Datuk Nik Aziz Nik Mat.

"Islam must be embraced voluntarily and sincerely, especially among converts who come to the religion because of sheer belief or those who adopt the faith because of marriage," Nik Aziz said when launching the state's month-long "Dakwah" (missionary activities) campaign at Balai Islam here.

"We cannot force people to enter Heaven. They must do it on their own will.

"We can guide them but we cannot force."

He said that, similarly, all political parties could not impose their ideologies on people.

Nik Aziz who is Chempaka assemblyman, said politicians must be ashamed if they impose their will and ideologies on the weak.

"It's not intellectual or rational to impose a value system of politics. Islam does not do it, so why must they?

"There is no capital to gain when Judgment Day befalls them in their spiritual life."

He also said that missionaries were being overwhelmed by the rise of social ills from incest, rape, corruption, snatch thefts and murder.

This campaign was launched to help missionaries and those propagating Islam to find new ways to counter the rise of evils in the society, Nik Aziz said.

SOURCE: THE STAR, 14.05.2007, page N6

 

[Umar001]

Maybe they should enforce the laws instead of the religion? What with rapes and murders going on.

or those who adopt the faith because of marriage,

Erm?

 

[north_malaysian]

The problem is that most of those crime mentioned are done by Muslims.

We have stricts laws (eventhough it's based on British Common Laws) and enforcement.

 

[Umar001]

So why they do it, I mean how come they getting away with it?

 

[north_malaysian]

So why they do it, I mean how come they getting away with it?

As long as there are no police reports made against them..... of course they're getting away from it.

Actually, the social ills among Malaysian Muslims is ultimately worrying all of us. So, rather than islamising the Non Muslims, the lapsed Muslims should have being approached too... at least not to do those crimes. Especially incest and rape (maybe because too many porno DVDs available).

 

[Umar001]

So they have capital punishment for rapist and murderers?

 

[syilla]

May 10, 2007 20:27 PM

70 Years Jail And 34 Strokes Of The Rotan For Serial Rapist


KUALA LUMPUR, May 10 (Bernama) -- A serial rapist, currently serving a 50-year jail sentence and 24 strokes of the rotan for raping and sodomising women and children, was slapped with another 20 years jail and 10 strokes by the Ampang Sessions Court today for raping and performing unnatural sex with a 15-year-old girl.

Judge Noradidah Ahmad sentenced Ismail Shah Abdul Wahab to 20 years jail and six strokes of the rotan for rape and 10 years and four strokes for committing unnatural sex after he pleaded guilty to committing the offences on the girl in an undergrowth behind Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Hulu Kelang, Ampang Jaya, at 4.50pm on Aug 19, 2004.

She ordered the sentences to run concurrently and to be served after Ismail Shah had completed the current terms for his previous convictions.

In all, Ismail Shah Abdul Wahab, 24, will be in jailed for 70 years and given 34 strokes of the rotan.

Noradidah, when handing down the sentence, described Ismail Shah's action as inhuman and said that sending him to prison was most appropriate to keep him away from the society and prevent him from committing the heinous crime again.

Ismail Shah and did not show any emotion when Noradidah handed down the sentence.

On Jan 16, the Kuala Lumpur Sessions Court sentenced Ismail Shah to 50 years jail and 24 strokes of the rotan after he pleaded guilty to seven counts of raping, sodomising and performing unnatural sex on three victims, aged 24, 16 and 12.

The offences were committed at Ixora Apartment Jalan Tun Razak and the Bamvilla Condo, Taman Maluri, Cheras on Dec 9 2004, Feb 2 2005 and Aug 3 2006.

Three days ago, the Magistrate Court here sentenced Ismail Shah to five years jail and two strokes of the rotan for abducting and molesting two girls, aged 18 and 12, last July, which sentence is to begin from the date of his arrest on was Aug 9 last year.

-- BERNAMA

source

24 year old guy who got caught... urghh...

 

[Pk_#2]

Astaghfirullah! :'(

JazakAllah sis and bro for articles

Hmm...

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Wa Maghfiratuh

 

[Muslim Knight]

or those who adopt the faith because of marriage,

Erm?

Malaysian Sharia courts do not permit a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim. So what happens is that many non-Muslims convert to Islam in order to marry, then apostisize upon dissolution of marriage (i.e. when divorce occurs).

 

[Mawaddah]

You know, My mother told me that she read on the Malay news (must be some PAS website I guess) that when some non-Muslims come to the Pejabat Agama in order to take the Shahadah and register themselves as Muslims, the people there tell them " Are you really sure you want to become Muslim? Why dont you go home and think about it first "

I was shocked! I mean someone comes and wants to become Muslim, and you tell him to go home and think about it first, does that make sense?

But then, first of all, Is what my mother read true? lol

 

[north_malaysian]

You know, My mother told me that she read on the Malay news (must be some PAS website I guess) that when some non-Muslims come to the Pejabat Agama in order to take the Shahadah and register themselves as Muslims, the people there tell them " Are you really sure you want to become Muslim? Why dont you go home and think about it first "

I was shocked! I mean someone comes and wants to become Muslim, and you tell him to go home and think about it first, does that make sense?

But then, first of all, Is what my mother read true? lol

I dont know.... but my family managed to islamise a Chinese man years ago. And there is no such thing that they (the people from Religious Dept.) asked him to go home and rethink. But after he converted to Islam, he was disowned by his family. So we have to support him living as a Muslim. He loves Islam so much and went to Sekolah Pondok (Traditional Madrasa) in Kelantan. Now he's a very religious person and his non-Muslim family started accepting him again when he got his first son (He's married to my father's cousin). He also managed to Islamise his younger brother.

 

[Mawaddah]

I dont know.... but my family managed to islamise a Chinese man years ago. And there is no such thing that they (the people from Religious Dept.) asked him to go home and rethink. But after he converted to Islam, he was disowned by his family. So we have to support him living as a Muslim. He loves Islam so much and went to Sekolah Pondok (Traditional Madrasa) in Kelantan. Now he's a very religious person and his non-Muslim family started accepting him again when he got his first son (He's married to my father's cousin). He also managed to Islamise his younger brother.

Masha'allah that's so wonderful to hear.May Allah always keep him and his brother guided on the straight path Ameen.

 

[syilla]

You know, My mother told me that she read on the Malay news (must be some PAS website I guess) that when some non-Muslims come to the Pejabat Agama in order to take the Shahadah and register themselves as Muslims, the people there tell them " Are you really sure you want to become Muslim? Why dont you go home and think about it first "

I was shocked! I mean someone comes and wants to become Muslim, and you tell him to go home and think about it first, does that make sense?

But then, first of all, Is what my mother read true? lol

I watched the television the other day, showing that in Thailand...they have to learn Islam (classes are provided for them) for one year before they can convert to Islam.

And most of them love Islam so much...that they say shahadah nonformally and even wear hijab before they are registered as muslim.

In my opinion, you don't really need the authority to convert to islam...

 

[Muslim Knight]

I watched the television the other day, showing that in Thailand...they have to learn Islam (classes are provided for them) for one year before they can convert to Islam.

And most of them love Islam so much...that they say shahadah nonformally and even wear hijab before they are registered as muslim.

In my opinion, you don't really need the authority to convert to islam...

I can agree to this. Needing to register as a Muslim makes things more complicated than it should be. Testimonial of relatives and close friends should be enough at the event of death. Sad when a piece of document determines whether you die as a kaffir or a Muslim.

 

[Woodrow]

The thought that comes to mind is legal recognition=Taxation

I'm not too certain what will be taxed but I see the Government making money off of this. Perhaps a license fee to be able to "Legaly" call yourself a Muslim?

 

[north_malaysian]

Muslims must be registered... to avoid any confusions when the reverts died.

 

[syilla]

The thought that comes to mind is legal recognition=Taxation

I'm not too certain what will be taxed but I see the Government making money off of this. Perhaps a license fee to be able to "Legaly" call yourself a Muslim?

nah...not really...every one non-muslims and muslims will be taxed. We have zakat too for the muslims...and they don't have to pay tax if they pay zakat.

The only problem is the shariaah law...cause the shariah law is only for the muslims. Especially when comes to marriage and divorce. :blind:

 

[north_malaysian]

Some Anti-IRC (Inter-Faith Commission) people claims that IRC wants Non-Muslims to have their shares in Zakat money too. Is it true? Because I asked my friends who supporting IRC, and they claimed that those allegations are baseless.

P/S: Most of my friends support IRC.

 

[Muslim Knight]

Some Anti-IRC (Inter-Faith Commission) people claims that IRC wants Non-Muslims to have their shares in Zakat money too. Is it true? Because I asked my friends who supporting IRC, and they claimed that those allegations are baseless.

P/S: Most of my friends support IRC.

IRC is all bulls. Non-Muslim organizations ganging up on Islam and the rights of Muslims in Malaysia.

 

[iqbal_soofi]

Maybe they should enforce the laws instead of the religion? What with rapes and murders going on.

or those who adopt the faith because of marriage,

Erm?

They should make the laws according to sharia and get the approval from the majority (Muslims) first about whatever laws they make. Simply claiming any kind of law to be Islamic and imposing on the Muslims in the name of Islam is not good.

We should study all the rape cases that were registered under the Hudood ordinance in different Muslim countries. We should try to see how many rapists were punished by these laws and also see how many victims had to go through a long ordeal after registering the case instead of getting any relief.