Priest burns himself in protest of Islam’s fast spread in the world

[Tania]

Re: Priest burns himself in protest of Islam’s fast spread in the world

Really?? :?

I am German myself, and not familiar with this particular style of art ... :uuh:

I was talking about this artist:

Gunther von Hagens (born Gunther Liebchen on January 10, 1945) is a controversial German anatomist who invented the plastination technique to conserve specimen and is heavily involved in its promotion. He developed the Body Worlds exhibition of human bodies and body parts.
Source
I didn't have the gut to watch it but there is a link on the page where you can see more.

 

[glo]

I was talking about this artist:

Gunther von Hagens (born Gunther Liebchen on January 10, 1945) is a controversial German anatomist who invented the plastination technique to conserve specimen and is heavily involved in its promotion. He developed the Body Worlds exhibition of human bodies and body parts.
Source
I didn't have the gut to watch it but there is a link on the page where you can see more.

Let's hope there are not many more 'artists' like that!
This may be fine in a medical school ... but I wouldn't call it art.

:uuh: :X +o( :vomit:

 

[north_malaysian]

Is it lawful to commit suicide in Christianity?:rollseyes

 

[Keltoi]

Is it lawful to commit suicide in Christianity?:rollseyes

Absolutely not.

 

[north_malaysian]

Absolutely not.

Do you mean that whatever the priest did ... is a sin?:rollseyes

 

[abdur_Rahmaan]

Beaten? Beaten at what? Is religion all a numbers game to Muslims and Christians? In Judaism, you have to be go through rigerous training/learning to convert that takes over a year. Not two minutes. Every religion could not care about having more people then all the others ones. I actually view that as one of the most worthless statistics their is when comparing religions.

In Islaam, it's not about the quantity, it's about quality. How many people are practicing correctly, maa shaa Allaah?

Plus, look at all the messengers that came before us, calling to the worship of Allaah, alone, without partner, and no one followed him. There will be Prophets like this on the Day of Standing: Prophets with no followers. Some with one. So, Truth is by quality not quantity.

Islaam can not be compared to Christianity or Judaism, that's simple. Islaam is an abrogation to Christian and Jewish religions. As the Qur'aan is the abrogation to the "originally revealed" scriptures. And all praises and thanks are due to Allaah, alone, without partner, Lord of mankind, jinn and all that exists.

 

[abdur_Rahmaan]

Is it lawful to commit suicide in Christianity?:rollseyes

Generally, paraphrasing, the Prophet (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam), said, "Whoever kills himself with a metal object in this world will repeat it in the Hell-fire, eternally." or somewhere alone those lines, maa shaa allaah.

 

[Keltoi]

Do you mean that whatever the priest did ... is a sin?:rollseyes

Well, I don't claim to be his judge, that is for God alone, but suicide is a sin in Christianity according to the scriptures.

 

[north_malaysian]

Well, I don't claim to be his judge, that is for God alone, but suicide is a sin in Christianity according to the scriptures.

If he had some mental problem like 'ultra-stress' or something that makes him cannot think reasonably ... then it's not amounted to suicide... but it's upon God to decide.

 

[Curious girl2]

If he had some mental problem like 'ultra-stress' or something that makes him cannot think reasonably ... then it's not amounted to suicide... but it's upon God to decide.

I wonder then, what would be considered suicide? Surely no-one in their *right* mind would kill themselves, so they are not thinking reasonably.

Just a few thoughts running round head, that's all

Peace
CG

 

[stannis]

Well, I don't claim to be his judge, that is for God alone, but suicide is a sin in Christianity according to the scriptures.

I think martyrdom is considered acceptable under certain circumstances in Catholic theology - not sure how the priest's suicide could be stretched to that, but you never know.

 

[Keltoi]

I think martyrdom is considered acceptable under certain circumstances in Catholic theology - not sure how the priest's suicide could be stretched to that, but you never know.

I actually discussed this possibility with someone earlier today. Did the priest believe what he did was on the level of martyrdom for Christ? I don't see how he could have reached that conclusion, but that is between him and God. Traditionally, a "martyr" for Christ is one who is killed because they refuse to denounce their faith or die in defense of the Church. This seemed more an act of political protest than martyrdom, but again, that is between him and the Almighty.

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Greetings Dhulqarnaeen

Do you really think the actions of one man (even if he was a cleric) can be taken as evidence for the teachings and validity of an entire faith??? :?

Do you think there may be examples of other religious leaders in this world, who go off the railings and commit acts contrary to the teachings of their religion? If so, does that deem all those religions false?
Could it be possible that even imams may err and do wrong? Or is that impossible in your view?

Peace

Wallahu yahdik,
In Islam, the knowledge is like a "light", it will guide the person in to the best state of condition in earth and life here after. And if we talk about someone like a "priest" or ustadh in Islam, then thee kinda people is someone who should have acquiring more knowledges than usual person right? So...if you ask me "can be taken as evidence for the teachings and validity of an entire faith??? :? " , then I say "YES", most of it its the fault in Christianity teachings fault. And that the prove that the teaching havent made a deep painting to the religions holders heart. Look ISLAM, like I said before, in Islam someone who gain more knowledge then they will know that commit suicide is a BIG sin, and no one who understand their religion will do somehting like this . Cause theyre afraid to sins, even usual muslim will stay away from commit suicide. But look at the priest, the knowledge from the bible couldnt stop him from hurting him self, masha Allah. Didnt he afraid of his own lord? No ustadh or scholars in Islam will do suicide insha Allah in whatever stressfull condition.

And in Islam, if some imams doing somemistakes, then its human I know, theyre still human. But at least their mistakes will not make them commit suicide or doing some big sins in Islam, insha Allah. Why I can say that? Cause the knowledge in them, the knowledge in them save them from sins and they have notice all doors that can lead them to sins, so they can stay away as far as they can be.

 

[scentsofjannah]

Beaten? Beaten at what? Is religion all a numbers game to Muslims and Christians? In Judaism, you have to be go through rigerous training/learning to convert that takes over a year. Not two minutes. Every religion could not care about having more people then all the others ones. I actually view that as one of the most worthless statistics their is when comparing religions.

I quite agree with you..i myself i'm annoyed when muslims continually remind people that Islam is the fastest growing religion..one of the main factors is birth rate and conversions plays a significant but small part too..i don't take pride in quantity ..we should ask ourselves about the quality of those muslims....anyways conversion to Islam doesnt take 'two minutes'..any search for the truth takes a considerable length of time..months , years ..when a person feels they are ready all they have to do is say I believe there no god( ilah ) but Almighty God (Allah) and Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) is his final prophet...we don't reject them or tell them they cannot be classified as muslim nor do we have to tell them to undergo any training...knowledge will increase as the years go by..through the use of their mind and interacting with muslims more knowledgable than themselves.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

The Protestant Bishop of Saxony, Axel Noack, said the suicide had shocked the community, adding that the incident shouldn’t affect relations between Christians and the Muslim world

Don't even get me started on the subject of the priesthood. They haven't even begun to feel the rough edge of my sword... which is just the truth!

They're finished as far as I'm concerned ~ Game Over!!!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Muezzin]

I've noticed certain members have been posting remarks ridiculing this chap's suicide. Please do not do this as it is needlessly offensive. I have deleted the post in question and any posts which were quoting it.

 

[north_malaysian]

I've noticed certain members have been posting remarks ridiculing this chap's suicide. Please do not do this as it is needlessly offensive. I have deleted the post in question and any posts which were quoting it.

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

 

[scentsofjannah]

I've noticed certain members have been posting remarks ridiculing this chap's suicide. Please do not do this as it is needlessly offensive. I have deleted the post in question and any posts which were quoting it.

May Allah reward you brother..ameen

 

[scentsofjannah]

If he had some mental problem like 'ultra-stress' or something that makes him cannot think reasonably ... then it's not amounted to suicide... but it's upon God to decide.

excellent point..many people who commit suicide suffer from some sort of mental illness..e.g extreme depression..in that case we do not say they are sinning because as you stated they cannot think straight.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Interview with the Soul of Suicide.

excellent point..many people who commit suicide suffer from some sort of mental illness..e.g extreme depression..in that case we do not say they are sinning because as you stated they cannot think straight.

When a soul is weighted down and burdened, the person doesn't shine and it thirsts for the light of love. For some, this soul is not a sign of strength and is thus looked upon as a burden, so the soul must go inside it's mind to remember things to nourish itself. For some souls, it's a favorite childhood memory. For others, they gleen the nourishment from things they saw.

When you attend a funeral, something very special happens. For starters, to the dead, all your friends and family come to see you. They never fight at this time, and they never speak of your sins or personal failings. In fact, they surround you with a powerful circle of love and forgive you. They honor your life... even silly notes or a grocery list you wrote the other day become cherished to them. You become as the newborn child; pure, beloved and protected.

Because of this, I could see how a person lacking these blessings in Life, would seek them in Death.

Ninth Scribe

BTW: I know I go off on the Christian priesthood, but this is over an abuse of records and a blatant disregard for celebacy vows. It doesn't even involve the general priesthood... my focus is at the leadership level. I shouldn't have gone off on this particular thread. Apologies.