Problems becoming muslim

asalam walaikum wa rahmathullah
may Allah (s.w.t.) guide us all to the truth

asalam walaikum
well i know a lot of reverts alhumdulillah and a lot of muslims who came out from the jahilliyah (ignorance) including myself and subhanallah the hardest thing is changin ur friends. Theres a lot of problems ppl face after becoming a muslim, they're afraid of wut there familys will think and if there parents will still let them live at there house. livin a whole different lifestyle. this subject cannot be fully explained but one thing i can tell u is that everything a person goes through is a test from Allah to see if u really have iman(belief) or not. In the beginning its alwayz the hardest because a person is not use to going through a struggle, they r use to givin up easily. And to overcome those tests requires patience and belief in Allah (s.w.t.). After the first few tests it's much easier to fight off their temptations and as there love for the almighty increases life becomes much easier for them. because they now know that they do not wish to please anyone except Allah and that keeps them motivated to move forward
jazakumullah khairan
wasalam walaikum
may Allah(s.w.t.) guide us all to the truth
 
Well, first and foremost, obviously one must believe the Qu'ran is really the word of God and Muhammed really is a Prophet. Not believing that will stop anyone from becoming a Muslim.

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Moreoever, all these rules, it simply does not make sense. How can God be about petty rules? Surely God will look at whats in your heart, he will look at how you treat people, if you are a good person. I simply cannot accept that there is just one path to God, I would think virtually all religions can lead to enlightenment.

There are more reason, but I am in a hurry, so let me just say that the idea of paradise and hell does not make sense to me either. The principle of reincarnation somehow feels more right to me. How the hellfire is described in the Qu'ran, it simply does not sound like a just God, sorry.

Hey KAding

Those words sound more agnostic than atheist to me! :rollseyes :)

I wonder if you feel that God (just in case he should exist) should judge you by your actions, but not expect any more of you.
It sounds like to you don't mind a God who will act like that, because it fits into your perception of what's fair. Whereas a God who demands submission just goes too far in your book.
(I'm just guessing. You may entirely disgree with me. Feel free to tell me so! :) )

I agree with your criticism of 'petty rules' to some extend.
As a Christian I find many of the Islamic rituals very alien too. To my understanding that's what Jesus' teachings were about: Not to get rid of the laws, but to apply them differently (I.e. healing people or picking grains, although strictly speaking against the Sabbath law, became permissible because, as I see it, the benefit to the people overruled the blind following of the law)

But then, of course, Christianity has it's own laws and rules. It depends what rules you define as 'petty' and that may be largely cultural ...


What about secular laws? Some may say that certain traffic laws or laws making certain substances illegal are 'petty'.
I suppost that's in the eye of the beholder ... would you agree?

I'm just jabbering, and by now I am probably way of topic! :rollseyes

Peace.
 
hi to all
am a new muslim and i just started learning about islam so i don't wear the hijad but am wishing some day i will and i do try to pry though it is bit hard for me but still trying and learning.
 
hi to all
am a new muslim and i just started learning about islam so i don't wear the hijad but am wishing some day i will and i do try to pry though it is bit hard for me but still trying and learning.
Welcome back, Lilly-Rose! :thankyou:
 
hi to all
am a new muslim and i just started learning about islam so i don't wear the hijad but am wishing some day i will and i do try to pry though it is bit hard for me but still trying and learning.


Hijab sister and Salam Aleykum,

And whao I didnt know you a new muslim, well Alhamdulilah thats cool.

p.s name him Eesa lol
 
Hey KAding

Those words sound more agnostic than atheist to me! :rollseyes :)

I wonder if you feel that God (just in case he should exist) should judge you by your actions, but not expect any more of you.
It sounds like to you don't mind a God who will act like that, because it fits into your perception of what's fair. Whereas a God who demands submission just goes too far in your book.
(I'm just guessing. You may entirely disgree with me. Feel free to tell me so! :) )

I agree with your criticism of 'petty rules' to some extend.
As a Christian I find many of the Islamic rituals very alien too. To my understanding that's what Jesus' teachings were about: Not to get rid of the laws, but to apply them differently (I.e. healing people or picking grains, although strictly speaking against the Sabbath law, became permissible because, as I see it, the benefit to the people overruled the blind following of the law)

But then, of course, Christianity has it's own laws and rules. It depends what rules you define as 'petty' and that may be largely cultural ...


What about secular laws? Some may say that certain traffic laws or laws making certain substances illegal are 'petty'.
I suppost that's in the eye of the beholder ... would you agree?

I'm just jabbering, and by now I am probably way of topic! :rollseyes

Peace.
glo i totally agree with this point!

i have noticed the same thing that you have raised to be throughout the whole of society. people are afraid to admit there is a god due to the fact of them having to deal with feeling of guilt of their lack of worship. muslims don't make out islam is a piece of cake because we all struggle too in this life its just the vision of success in the afterlife that keeps us going! (this is my view maybe not of all muslims):sister:
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your funny. but seriously i hope you have chosen a great book because the prophet lived a great life!
im not trying to convert you or bombard you with info but i read a book not so long ago called The Life of Muhammad (Saw) by tahia al-ismail. it is very good and i can tell you i couldn't stop crying towards the end. the prophets (SAW) life is a very touching story so have fun! even though i was born a muslim this book had show me how far i was from perfection and what i had to change to even get a tinsy bit closer to it!:sister:
Well, I started to read Muhammad's biography.
The book is not written by a Muslim. I got it from the public library, so it is pretty mainstream.
To be honest, I wanted a factual book, rather than a 'religious' one, which I would then end up discarding as 'religious propaganda'. :rollseyes

The book is called 'Muhammad' (no surprises there! lol), and is written by a womam called Karen Armstrong, an ex-Catholic nun, who describes herself now as a "freelance monotheist" but has never returned to the Catholic Church or joined any other.

She was honoured by the Islamic Center of Southern California as a bridge builder who promotes understanding among the three faiths.

I am just mentioning these things, because I want to make clear that the author is sympathetic to the Islamic cause, and I am not reading some hate-literature! ;D

Here is some information on the book, as presented by amazon:

From Publishers Weekly
In a meticulous quest for the historical Muhammad, Armstrong first traces the West's long history of hostility toward Islam, which it has stigmatized as a "religion of the sword." This sympathetic, engrossing biography portrays Muhammad (ca. 570-632) as a passionate, complex, fallible human being--a charismatic leader possessed of political as well as spiritual gifts, and a prophet whose monotheistic vision intuitively answered the deepest longings of his people. Armstrong ( The Gospel According to Woman ) refutes the Western image of Muhammad as an impostor who used religion as a means to power, an attitude encapsulated in a psychotic dream episode in Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses. Denying that Islam preaches total intransigence, she finds in the Prophet's teachings a theology of peace and tolerance. The "holy war" urged by the Koran, in Armstrong's reading, alludes to each Muslim's duty to fight for a just, decent society. She draws significant parallels between the spiritual aspirations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Copyright 1992 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Library Journal
This portrayal of the prophet of Islam and the setting from which he emerged will captivate and enlighten general readers with a newfound understanding of modern events in the Middle East. Armstrong, a former Roman Catholic nun, has shown much insight and sensitivity in her well-researched biography. She interweaves sections on the Western response to Islam and the controversy over Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses ( LJ 12/88) within her detailed account of Muhammad and the monumental, unifying religion that he introduced to the backward tribal Arabia of the seventh century. The book was first published in Great Britain in 1991 under the title Muhammad: A Western Attempt To Understand Islam . Highly recommended.
- Paula I. Nielson, Loyola Marymount Univ. Lib., Los Angeles
Copyright 1992 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

I have not read very much, and so far my perception of Muhammed is thus:

A great politician, who managed to unite the scattered and divided tribes of Arabia with amazing swiftness and conviction.
He combined elements of the monotheistic religions of the time (Judaism and Christianity) into the new emerging religion. But he also - and I didn't know this! - drew from the old pagan rituals, which prevailed in Arabia at that time.
For example, I was surprised to hear that the Hajj took place prior to the birth of Islam. :rollseyes
Tha Ka'aba (the sacred Black Stone) was dedicated to the god Hubal, and was surrounded by 360 idols.

Interesting so far. I'll try and keep you posted as I keep reading ... :thankyou:

Blessings.
 
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I have no problems being a muslim. Sadly, there are people who do have a problem with me being muslim. I swear, some people are just never satisfied, bunch of insatiable farts I tell thee.
 
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I have no problems being a muslim. Sadly, there are people who do have a problem with me being muslim. I swear, some people are just never satisfied, bunch of insatiable farts I tell thee.
Hey, that's life.
Some people have a problem with me being a Christian! :rollseyes
I dunno why. :giggling:

Peace.
 
In the name of God most Gracious most Merciful

Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straight way,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.


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Safwa sam marwa
Wat do u think is the biggest issue people have with becoming a muslim?

What stops people from becoming a Muslim? Well it depends, for some it is the love for this duniya (this world), our attachment to the worldly pleasure diverts us from Islam (total submission to the Almighty).
As, for others maybe the teaching of Islam hasn’t reached them, which is why Dawa is very important.
But of course the one who truly believes in the Almighty, he knows the hereafter is better then this world, because God promises eternal paradise and his promise is true.

However we also have people who do not believe in God, and we know this debate has been going on for a long time – Creation vs Evolution. However if we were to look at the probability of how this debate may end, it is rather interesting.
1) He exists and if we obey him - we enter paradise
2) He exists we don’t obey him - we enter hell fire
3) He doesn’t exist we obey him - we turn to dust
4) He doesn’t exist and we don’t obey him - we turn to dust & take maximum pleasure from this world

I wonder if one was to choose one of the four choices - which would be the safest option to bet on?

Glo

When I became a Christian it was a decision of my heart. I read the New Testament and something just clicked inside me. I saw truth in what I read and heard, which was only confirmed when I became a Christian and committed myself to follow Christ's teachings.

Non-Christians can perceive that to be a negative thing - like I just followed an emotional whim.
Muslims use that argument sometimes, and state that following Islam is a intellectual choice, rather than an emotional one. Some claim that, in contrast to the Bible, the Qu'ran is true and stands up to any scrutiny.
That may be the case for those who have had their own personal revelation that the Qu'ran is the word of God - but for those who have not had that revelation, it just remains just another book.


I would say about the Bible that if only you read it, it will reveal it's truth to you! And yet, much to my surprise, people like my husband have read the Bible many times, and never came away convinced that it was the word of God.
Similarly, reading and learning about Islam, and reading things from the Qu'ran, has not in any way convinced me that it is God's truth...

You have to understand that I believe that Jesus is God's son who was sent by his father to die for us as an atonement for our sins.
I believe that he was the ultimate sacrifice to reconnect humankind with God.

When you believe that it is rather implausible that some 700 years later God would send another prophet to undo it all.

Greetings glo, how are you, hope your well.

I would consider this whole issue something really important; we are talking about eternal life after death.
Following a religion either the Christianity or Islam - one would lead you to eternal hell fire and the other to eternal pleasure. I know I wouldn’t want to choose a path because my heart tells me it is the correct one. It is sometimes better to go with your intellect rather then your heart, in circumstances like this don’t you think?
I am sure one would use their intellect to decide a matter for their future in this life (which is a short life spam), imagine choosing a path for eternity?

Sure the bible may sound touching but there are some passages which may scare you, and change your feelings, would you then consider the Bible the word of God?

Instead we should look at the Quran and the Bible collectively and we will see many similarities and differences. I spoke to Sheikh Yusuf Estes (A revert to Islam from Christianity), during one of his talk in a university in London. It was interesting to know that during his search for truth he found the Bible not contradicting the Quran nor did the Quran contradict the Bible, the Bible contradicted itself.

Christianity is a very complex religion; their central belief is far complex then a Muslim’s belief. We believe, that there is no deity that is worthy of mine and your worship or anyone’s for that matter, besides Allah. This belief was taught by all the prophets, from Adam to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc to Muhammad (May peace and blessing be upon them all). Whether you read the Bible or the Quran the pattern is the same, all prophets taught monotheism, and that’s what a Muslim believes, hence Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses etc where all Muslim’s.

As for the modern Christian belief it is rather more complicated, yes it is easy to believe in the trinity, and atonement, and the divinity of Christ. But if any knowledgeable person was to question these beliefs it would cause some problems.

I’ll touch on some, without getting to deep in to it;

How is the atonement and trinity coherent with each other?
Keeping in mind Jesus died on the cross, and for the trinity you need all three – Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. If one is missing then the trinity is incomplete, and without the death of Christ there is no salvation.


And as for the divinity of Christ, there are many passages that go against the divinity of Christ and are in favour for the prophet hood of Jesus (pbuh).
If we separate the characteristics of God and a prophet, and then read the passages from the bible, and was to put Jesus (pbuh) in one the two categories, you would be surprised to know he is more of a prophet then God

But then again before we do that, how do we know the Bible we have today is the word from God?
How reliable is the bible? Keeping in mind the 18 missing books and the many different versions - 73 of the catholic and 67 of the protestant.

As for the Quran, we have one copy and the original language still exists with us today.

:w: :)
 
Hey KAding

Those words sound more agnostic than atheist to me! :rollseyes :)

Hehe, I struggled quite long when I registered with choosing my way of life. I definately do not deny the existance of God, although I consider the Christian/Islamic view on God so strange that I simply cannot imagine it to be true. So whether I'm an atheist or agnostic would probably depend on the definition of God.

'Soft-atheist' is probably the most applicable in general. But I must admit I have been moving steadily in the years from being strong atheist into the direction of agnosticism.

I wonder if you feel that God (just in case he should exist) should judge you by your actions, but not expect any more of you.
It sounds like to you don't mind a God who will act like that, because it fits into your perception of what's fair. Whereas a God who demands submission just goes too far in your book.
(I'm just guessing. You may entirely disgree with me. Feel free to tell me so! :) )

Excellent analysis I think :). Perhaps it has much to do with the strong belief in our societies nowadays that each individual is unique and free, and that he should not submit to anyone.

Maybe thats why I cannot fanthom God demanding submission. I have little respect for men who demand submission from others, so perhaps I also project that on God.

God, if he were to exist, would indeed have to be just. So in my imagine any God will have to be compatbile with my view on whats fair. Otherwise I will have trouble accepting the idea of such a God. A quite arrogant approach no doubt, demanding God live up to your ideals on justice :D.

I agree with your criticism of 'petty rules' to some extend.
As a Christian I find many of the Islamic rituals very alien too. To my understanding that's what Jesus' teachings were about: Not to get rid of the laws, but to apply them differently (I.e. healing people or picking grains, although strictly speaking against the Sabbath law, became permissible because, as I see it, the benefit to the people overruled the blind following of the law)

After reading the long long thread on Sikhism I must say I was really impressed with the fundamentals of that religion. No rituals, tolerance, different paths to enlightment, reincarnation. To me personally, it all seems so much more believable and right than the three monotheistic religion. Probably because it just happens to have much of the principles that are (theoretically) valued in secular societies, namely tolerance, no hierarchies, no unjust punishment (as in the hellfire for those who have lived decent lives, yet failed to believe in a specific prophet).

But then, of course, Christianity has it's own laws and rules. It depends what rules you define as 'petty' and that may be largely cultural ...

I agree. And from an aesthetic point of view rituals can of course be beautiful. I was at a catholic mass for the first time in my life a week or two ago and it was beautiful. I must say I was also quite impressed by the content of the mass, nothing but insistence that we love everyone, both for away and close-by. It just stengthened my belief that power corrupts and that religions should stay out of those political institutions that hold all that power. The catholic church has IMHO has a fairly dirty history, but now that they have been kicked out of politics they are most definately a power for the good.

What about secular laws? Some may say that certain traffic laws or laws making certain substances illegal are 'petty'.
I suppost that's in the eye of the beholder ... would you agree?

Good point. Mind you I also think many of these secular laws can be abolished. These laws obviously exist to create order and discipline, while I would think that religion should be a way to God. I suppose it again reflects my resistance against religions that attempt to control everything worldy into the minute detail, instead of simply providing a bigger moral framework.

In that sense I suppose I am closer with Christianity which after all said something about "leave to ceasar what is ceasars and leave to God what is God's" (Romans something:something ;)).

I'm just jabbering, and by now I am probably way of topic! :rollseyes

Peace.

No your post forces me to think a bit about my own position. Thanks :).
 
'Soft-atheist' is probably the most applicable in general. But I must admit I have been moving steadily in the years from being strong atheist into the direction of agnosticism.
:giggling: I haven't hear that term before. Did you make it up, or does it really exist? It certainly describes your position well.

Excellent analysis I think :). Perhaps it has much to do with the strong belief in our societies nowadays that each individual is unique and free, and that he should not submit to anyone.
Maybe thats why I cannot fanthom God demanding submission. I have little respect for men who demand submission from others, so perhaps I also project that on God.
I understand what you mean. Our society has moved away from the times when people were 'used to' submission. Now personal strength and independence play a much more important part.

To submit to God requires a level of faith great enough to overcome that kind of attitude, I guess.
I have no problems submitting to God, because I believe him to be so great and wonderful that worshipping and following his teachings seems like no effort at all ... just a logical thing to do for your creator! :statisfie

God, if he were to exist, would indeed have to be just. So in my imagine any God will have to be compatbile with my view on whats fair. Otherwise I will have trouble accepting the idea of such a God. A quite arrogant approach no doubt, demanding God live up to your ideals on justice :D.
Again, I know what you mean.
I come across many things which I personally find unfair. Tsunamis, wars and diseases for example. Also hell and eternal punishment ...
If you knew how often I say 'God, if I was you, I would do things differently!' :rollseyes
Gosh, even the weather doesn't seem fair half the time! :giggling:

But my understanding of fairness is based on my human understanding, which is formed by my own experiences as well as the society I live in.
However, if you believe that God is the creator of everything, then it is his definition of right and wrong that counts, not mine.
Again, I suppose, I have to submit to God's greater wisdom.


The catholic church has IMHO has a fairly dirty history, but now that they have been kicked out of politics they are most definately a power for the good.
No kidding! I read about the history of the Christian churches, and it was no pretty read!
Power corrupts, and personally I feel that religions and politics are best kept apart!

Good point. Mind you I also think many of these secular laws can be abolished. These laws obviously exist to create order and discipline, while I would think that religion should be a way to God. I suppose it again reflects my resistance against religions that attempt to control everything worldy into the minute detail, instead of simply providing a bigger moral framework.

In that sense I suppose I am closer with Christianity which after all said something about "leave to ceasar what is ceasars and leave to God what is God's" (Romans something:something ;)).
Sounds like you are embarking on an exciting journey! :)
Just keep walking! :thankyou:

Blessings.
 
Well, I started to read Muhammad's biography.
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Blessings.
I have had time to read a little further.
Muhammad's childhood certainly was not an easy one. Being fostered to several familt members after his mother's death. First his grandfather, then his uncle (did I remember that right?)

I am interested to read that when he grew up he travelled with his uncle, who was a merchant. It puzzles me a little, because I remember people telling me how he had never heard about Chritianity and Judaism before - yet during his travels he is likely to have come across follwers of those faiths. There is certainly an account of Muhammed meeting a monk, who prophesied over him.

The book gives a sense of the Arabic tribes feeling lost at that time, because they, as a people, had not received any direct message from God ... until Muhammed experienced his vision of Gabriel in the cave, where he had secluded himself for fasting and prayer!
The account of the angel appearing to Muhammed is very interesting, and certainly akin to the terror and awe the Old Testament prophets felt when they had visions.

Muhammed is also described as a great social reformer. Many of his early followers were poor people, servants and women, who took hope from his message.

I am interested to read that the rules and laws in Islam do not (it seems) stem from the recitations Muhamed recived in the cave.
The hajj, as mentioned before, was already in existance as a pagan custom.
The rituals of daily prayer (salat) were not instructed by the angel, but came from Muhammed himself.

At this moment I am wondering what the purpose of the Qu'ran is - as I had always thought it to be laws and instructions, a bit like the Old Testment laws which Moses received directly from God.

That's all for now ...

... still reading! :)

peace.
 
I am interested to read that when he grew up he travelled with his uncle, who was a merchant. It puzzles me a little, because I remember people telling me how he had never heard about Chritianity and Judaism before - yet during his travels he is likely to have come across follwers of those faiths. There is certainly an account of Muhammed meeting a monk, who prophesied over him.
I never heard about the monk story, can you please include it, or provide a reference. I am interested. Thank's.



Muhammed is also described as a great social reformer. Many of his early followers were poor people, servants and women, who took hope from his message.
Well this is due to the reason, their was more poor people than rich people, and this is apparent in this day and age. However one should not neglect the fact their was early follower's that were quite wealthy.

I am interested to read that the rules and laws in Islam do not (it seems) stem from the recitations Muhamed recived in the cave.
The hajj, as mentioned before, was already in existance as a pagan custom.
The rituals of daily prayer (salat) were not instructed by the angel, but came from Muhammed himself.

Now matter of hajj, depend's how you look upon it, but one will fail to mention that this practice has been established by the abraham and his son who built kabbah, and than gradually adopted by pagan'.

At this moment I am wondering what the purpose of the Qu'ran is - as I had always thought it to be laws and instructions, a bit like the Old Testment laws which Moses received directly from God.

That's all for now ...

... still reading! :)

peace.

Well that goes with the saying,
"17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

Somehting to ponder about of the word's of Jesus(pbuh), unless you wan't to elaborate on these matter's, it will be appreciate and your insight will be helpfull. Thank you.
 
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glo, im waiting to hear ur reply to brother akrams post.
Are you??
I had to go back and find it. I have the sad habit of skipping over very long posts instead of reading them properly. Short attention span, you see ... :giggling: :giggling:

But I can see that akr4m has included some questions.

Sorry, brother akr4am, if I ignored you! :embarrass
I will reply when I have some more time.

Daff, give me another nudge, should I forget. You can be my personal secretary, if you like. ;)

Peace.
 
Now matter of hajj, depend's how you look upon it, but one will fail to mention that this practice has been established by the abraham and his son who built kabbah, and than gradually adopted by pagan'.
That's interesting. Thank you. :)

Well that goes with the saying,
"17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

Something to ponder about of the word's of Jesus(pbuh), unless you wan't to elaborate on these matter's, it will be appreciate and your insight will be helpfull. Thank you.
I don't quite see the connection here.
Please understand that I am not trying to put the Qu'ran in a negative light. I am merely thinking through the stuff I have read so far. :)

As for Jesus' quote, it's a great one ... and much debated, too!
Perhaps it would be worth another thread.

Gotta go ...

Peace. :)
 
Asalaamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

No glo not offensive at all not everybody believes in our prophet (peace and blessings of allah be upon him) as the last messenger the same way that not everybody excepts jesus as god or the son or the same way that not everybody exepts buddah or other religions alhumdulillah im glad u share ur oppinions and express urself theres no reason why u not believing in the messenger of god (PBUH) should offend anybody if it does i think thats just silly and those people need to get a life....your way is your way and so its wrong for people to take offense to it
i would just like to add that studies and reasearch do show that the Holy Quran is marked down and documented as one of the most amazing scriptures and the only holy book to maintain and preserve an entire language where most languages exist to maybe about 5 -600 years max arabic the language of the Quran has not gone extinct in over 1427 years what im saying is to many non muslims or those who follow another faiths or religions it isnt "just another book" they may not follow it but many learned individuals do acknowledge its phenomenal nature.
as far as why people dont exept islam sister Allah (SWT) tells us that those whom Allah guides can never be miss guided and those whom he allows to be led astray can never be guided aright this tells us that basically those who use hijaab as their excusse to not embrace islam were not guided by the mercy of Allah (SWT) in the first place because sista when we look at it a revert sister to islam will not be expected to cover right away first comes establishing her prayers and learning how to do that so should her excuse be something silly like hijaab??? may allah protect us all from such foolishness Ameen (no offence people)
and allah knows best he is the All wise All knower
just adding my two cents
 
Asalaamu Alaikum
p.s i would just like to quicky add glo that The establishment of prayers was not from muhammad himself but from Allah our creator
It seems like people now a days talk alot about islam more so now than they do about cristianity and judaism so forth its under the lime light now more so than any other religion and so its crutial for me to say to everybody who happens to read this that not everything u hear from people is truth some say whatever to put down our glorious Quran for their own reasons those who are seeking truth will find it by the will of ALlah in the Quran where there lies not a single contradiction
May Allah keep us all protected from Jahiliyah
and may Allah guide those who cover up the truth with deception AMeen
Maa salaama
 
That's interesting. Thank you. :)


I don't quite see the connection here.
Please understand that I am not trying to put the Qu'ran in a negative light. I am merely thinking through the stuff I have read so far. :)

As for Jesus' quote, it's a great one ... and much debated, too!
Perhaps it would be worth another thread.

Gotta go ...

Peace. :)

Sorry it was seemed reactionary to you, but I was making a connection to the Torah.

I know this passage is much debated but I dnt think it is worth the time and effort for this passage to be debated over, after all it is apparant and clear to everyone, no point debating over it.

Maybe you can tell me in another thread what's your thought's upon it.
 

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