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Sexual abuse increasingly an issue in U.S. schools
By Lisa W. Foderaro
TEANECK, New Jersey: The accusation could not have been lodged against a more respected or popular educator: James Darden, an eighth-grade English teacher who was honored with a school assembly last year after winning a prestigious teaching award.
Yet this month, Darden was charged with aggravated sexual assault after a woman, now 21, told prosecutors that from the ages of 13 to 15 she and Darden, who is now 36, had sex in his house, his car, his classroom and the men's bathroom at Thomas Jefferson Middle School in Teaneck. He has pleaded not guilty.
Days earlier, two 28-year-old female teachers at a therapeutic school for emotionally disturbed and neglected boys in New Windsor, New York, were charged with having sexual relations with two 16-year-old students.
These cases and scores of others reflect a growing public consciousness of improper sexual relations between teachers and students.
And although government statistics show that reported sex crimes aimed at young people in general - whether at the hands of middle school teachers, parish priests or relatives - have fallen in the United States since the early 1990s, New York State has reported a marked increase in a broader but similar category, what are called moral-fitness cases, involving certified teachers and administrators.
A recent state Education Department study said that the number of those cases has almost tripled in New York in recent years and that the clear majority of complaints were sex-related.
Education experts and law enforcement officials speculate that since hundreds of instances of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have come to light in the past several years, resulting in millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements and judgments, victims are more willing to report unwanted encounters.
In addition, they say, schools have clearer guidelines about informing law enforcement authorities, and an influx of women into the ranks of prosecutors may have led to stepped-up enforcement.
"Most of what we are seeing is a greater level of sensitization, awareness and willingness to report and prosecute," said David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. "There has also been a feminization of law enforcement. One of the consequences of that was to challenge a longstanding reluctance to prosecute crimes that involve adult women and what look like willing teenage boys."
The dearth of national data on reports of student abuse at the hands of educators is the result of its wide-ranging nature: a spectrum of misdeeds, from lewd remarks to actual sex, and a range of overlapping responses.
There are school disciplinary proceedings, state hearings to revoke certification and criminal prosecution.
And many cases simply quietly disappear.
"There's no official accounting or record-keeping of this," said Nan Stein, senior research scientist at the Centers for Women at Wellesley College in Massachusetts, who has often testified as an expert in cases involving sex-assault charges against teachers. "When cases are settled out of court, it's very hard to find information."
One 2000 study, by the American Association of University Women, a nonprofit membership group, and the market research firm Harris Interactive, asked a national sample of 2,064 boys and girls in the 8th through 11th grades if they had ever experienced "unwanted and unwelcome sexual conduct," either verbal or physical, from teachers or other school employees. A previous study in 1993 included an identically worded question. The response was consistent in both surveys, with about 10 percent of both boys and girls saying that they had.
In New York State, the Department of Education receives hundreds of complaints a year that challenge a teacher's or administrator's moral character, but only a small fraction are passed on to a professional standards and practices board.
In the school year that started in 2000, the department handled 36 such cases; in the 2005-06 school year, it considered 104. The board decides whether the moral character of the person is sound enough to retain a teacher or administrator certificate.
The types of behavior that would call into question a teacher's moral character are varied: arson, drug possession, and test fraud, to name a few.
But the state report analyzed the kinds of incidents and crimes that led to the moral fitness cases over those six years. It found that among the teachers and administrators whose certificates were challenged, more than two-thirds of the cases involved sex-related issues, including possession of child pornography, lewdness, inappropriate relationships with students, and sex crimes.
Some law enforcement officials said that closer working relationships with schools in recent years had underscored the issue.
In New Jersey, for instance, school officials sign an annual agreement pledging to report any "suspicions that a student is being assaulted by a teacher or other student," said John Molinelli, the prosecutor handling the Darden case.
Similarly, the New York State School Boards Association has held workshops on handling accusations of abuse.
By Lisa W. Foderaro
TEANECK, New Jersey: The accusation could not have been lodged against a more respected or popular educator: James Darden, an eighth-grade English teacher who was honored with a school assembly last year after winning a prestigious teaching award.
Yet this month, Darden was charged with aggravated sexual assault after a woman, now 21, told prosecutors that from the ages of 13 to 15 she and Darden, who is now 36, had sex in his house, his car, his classroom and the men's bathroom at Thomas Jefferson Middle School in Teaneck. He has pleaded not guilty.
Days earlier, two 28-year-old female teachers at a therapeutic school for emotionally disturbed and neglected boys in New Windsor, New York, were charged with having sexual relations with two 16-year-old students.
These cases and scores of others reflect a growing public consciousness of improper sexual relations between teachers and students.
And although government statistics show that reported sex crimes aimed at young people in general - whether at the hands of middle school teachers, parish priests or relatives - have fallen in the United States since the early 1990s, New York State has reported a marked increase in a broader but similar category, what are called moral-fitness cases, involving certified teachers and administrators.
A recent state Education Department study said that the number of those cases has almost tripled in New York in recent years and that the clear majority of complaints were sex-related.
Education experts and law enforcement officials speculate that since hundreds of instances of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have come to light in the past several years, resulting in millions of dollars in lawsuit settlements and judgments, victims are more willing to report unwanted encounters.
In addition, they say, schools have clearer guidelines about informing law enforcement authorities, and an influx of women into the ranks of prosecutors may have led to stepped-up enforcement.
"Most of what we are seeing is a greater level of sensitization, awareness and willingness to report and prosecute," said David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. "There has also been a feminization of law enforcement. One of the consequences of that was to challenge a longstanding reluctance to prosecute crimes that involve adult women and what look like willing teenage boys."
The dearth of national data on reports of student abuse at the hands of educators is the result of its wide-ranging nature: a spectrum of misdeeds, from lewd remarks to actual sex, and a range of overlapping responses.
There are school disciplinary proceedings, state hearings to revoke certification and criminal prosecution.
And many cases simply quietly disappear.
"There's no official accounting or record-keeping of this," said Nan Stein, senior research scientist at the Centers for Women at Wellesley College in Massachusetts, who has often testified as an expert in cases involving sex-assault charges against teachers. "When cases are settled out of court, it's very hard to find information."
One 2000 study, by the American Association of University Women, a nonprofit membership group, and the market research firm Harris Interactive, asked a national sample of 2,064 boys and girls in the 8th through 11th grades if they had ever experienced "unwanted and unwelcome sexual conduct," either verbal or physical, from teachers or other school employees. A previous study in 1993 included an identically worded question. The response was consistent in both surveys, with about 10 percent of both boys and girls saying that they had.
In New York State, the Department of Education receives hundreds of complaints a year that challenge a teacher's or administrator's moral character, but only a small fraction are passed on to a professional standards and practices board.
In the school year that started in 2000, the department handled 36 such cases; in the 2005-06 school year, it considered 104. The board decides whether the moral character of the person is sound enough to retain a teacher or administrator certificate.
The types of behavior that would call into question a teacher's moral character are varied: arson, drug possession, and test fraud, to name a few.
But the state report analyzed the kinds of incidents and crimes that led to the moral fitness cases over those six years. It found that among the teachers and administrators whose certificates were challenged, more than two-thirds of the cases involved sex-related issues, including possession of child pornography, lewdness, inappropriate relationships with students, and sex crimes.
Some law enforcement officials said that closer working relationships with schools in recent years had underscored the issue.
In New Jersey, for instance, school officials sign an annual agreement pledging to report any "suspicions that a student is being assaulted by a teacher or other student," said John Molinelli, the prosecutor handling the Darden case.
Similarly, the New York State School Boards Association has held workshops on handling accusations of abuse.
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By the way, I think the right title for this thread is "Problems in (some) western schools". This is not because the system of education itself, but because they violate the system.
We can also find misbehave and rude students in eastern schools, in Indonesia. Not only in the west.
By the way, I think the right title for this thread is "Problems in (some) western schools". This is not because the system of education itself, but because they violate the system.
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Regardless, it's a question of putting your kids in that "environment" that is detrimental to their deen and self, considering all the bullying and sexual assaults happening these days.
Regardless, it's a question of putting your kids in that "environment" that is detrimental to their deen and self, considering all the bullying and sexual assaults happening these days.
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Like I have said, the problem is not in the education system itself. If teachers and students in those schools really follow the system, those cases would not be happened. Those cases happened because teachers and students violated the system.
I would not let my kids study in schools which theacher let students bully other students, but I would choose other schools that follow the system, which the teachers always watch and guard their students from bullying and sexual assault.
Like I have said, the problem is not in the education system itself. If teachers and students in those schools really follow the system, those cases would not be happened. Those cases happened because teachers and students violated the system.
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You still fail to understand the bigger picture. Even in your "perfect" school with "perfect" teachers, the environment is inherently bad and thus your "perfect" teachers may very well be the assaulters...
No one would, but how do you know your school is bully free or safe in any other way. Your top performing teacher could be sexually assaulting your 13yr old and you won't know until she speaks up aboutit.
You still fail to understand the bigger picture. Even in your "perfect" school with "perfect" teachers, the environment is inherently bad and thus your "perfect" teachers may very well be the assaulters...
No one would, but how do you know your school is bully free or safe in any other way. Your top performing teacher could be sexually assaulting your 13yr old and you won't know until she speaks up aboutit.
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These incidents also happen in non-Western schools though. Bad people are not restricted to the West.
These incidents also happen in non-Western schools though. Bad people are not restricted to the West.
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Yes, it can happen any where. But the fact is, majority of it is happening in the west. More and more practicing Christians are taking their kids out and home schooling them so why are the Muslims making excuses, thinking it's only a small example and not a plague, that their little neck of the wood is safe?
Yes, it can happen any where. But the fact is, majority of it is happening in the west. More and more practicing Christians are taking their kids out and home schooling them so why are the Muslims making excuses, thinking it's only a small example and not a plague, that their little neck of the wood is safe?
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Schoolgirl Forced to Breastfeed Classmates
Jul 9, 2009
A schoolgirl who became pregnant was forced into breastfeeding her classmate to keep matters quiet, but he soon started selling her breasts, milk and all, to the school.
The girl was in the third year of a Shanghai area middle school. After having unprotected sex with her boyfriend, she became pregnant, though only noticed this five months into her pregnancy. She resolved to keep the child and delivered a baby boy.
She split up with her boyfriend and returned to school after giving birth; her schoolmates were none the wiser as to her motherhood.
However, another pupil at the school apparently noticed her clothes were damp from the milk she was expressing.
Seeing both an opportunity for free food and a commercial venture in the making, he threatened to expose her pregnancy unless she breastfed him. Soon he gathered three friends and ordered her to feed them too.
His plan developed, and soon he was taking money from other students in return for letting them take advantage of his human dairy.
With the scheme getting out of hand, it soon came to the attention of the school, who moved to put a stop to it, vowing severe punishment for the boy responsible, though it seems he will not face criminal charges.
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Two boys, 10, are arrested on suspicion of raping girl, eight
By Rebecca Camber - 30th October 2009
Two 10-year-old boys have been arrested on suspicion of raping an eight-year-old girl in a playground.
The schoolgirl had been playing with the boys, believed to be her friends, when the alleged attack happened during half-term school holidays.
She went with the boys to College Park in Hayes, West London to play on the climbing frame and swings close to Hayes Community Campus, which is part of Uxbridge College.
The attack on the youngster was witnessed by her six-year-old sister, neighbours claimed last night.
The children were not being supervised by any adults at the time, detectives said.
The boys were seen meeting up with the the girl and her younger sister at about 11am on Tuesday.
The young girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she was taken to bushes at the edge of the park where she was sexually assaulted in broad daylight on Tuesday at around 2pm.
The two boys are alleged to have taken turns raping her.
Afterwards, the young girl ran home to tell her parents who live close by.
Horrified, they alerted police and the two boys, who live close to the victim, were arrested hours later.
The youngsters, who are said to be best friends, were quizzed about the incident before being bailed to return to a West London police station next month.
The attack is being investigated by the Metropolitan Police's recently re-organised Sapphire Unit in the Specialist Crime Directorate.
Detectives specially trained in child sex offences have since interviewed the young girl.
Yesterday the playground and adjourning playing fields were sealed off while forensic officers combed the scene for evidence.
The attack has stunned local residents living in the estate beside the park.
Yesterday deputy mayor of Hillingdon Council, Councillor David Yarrow said: 'I have never heard of two ten-year-olds being accused of raping an eight-year-old girl. It's just totally shocking.
'It's like the James Bulger case, you can't believe children of that age would be capable of something like that.'
Police said the victim sustained no physical injuries in the attack.
A 49-year-old housewife who lives near one of the alleged perpetrators said: 'The boy is regularly left alone by his mum while she goes out for hours on end.
'The boy's mother is known for being aggressive and she has a criminal record. But her son is as polite as can be.'
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Girl films rape of friend
May 30, 2009
A 14-YEAR-OLD girl acted as a “movie director” when she filmed her boyfriend raping her friend using a camera phone.
The Form Two student even gave words of encouragement to her boyfriend while “directing” him, according to Harian Metro.
Police sources said the sadistic incident took place recently when the victim was asked to join the couple at a quiet area in Bukit Ampang, Kuala Lumpur.
The victim was told to keep an eye on the surroundings while the girl had sex with her boyfriend.
“After they were done, the girl told the victim to have sex with her boyfriend. The victim declined. They later adjourned to another picnic area near Sungai Tekali, Hulu Langat,” said a source.
The victim was then raped while being watched by her schoolmate who appeared to enjoy the ordeal. The girl contacted two other male friends who proceeded to take turns raping the victim.
The victim lodged a police report at the Batu 14 police station in Hulu Langat with her mother.
Schoolgirl Forced to Breastfeed Classmates
Jul 9, 2009
A schoolgirl who became pregnant was forced into breastfeeding her classmate to keep matters quiet, but he soon started selling her breasts, milk and all, to the school.
The girl was in the third year of a Shanghai area middle school. After having unprotected sex with her boyfriend, she became pregnant, though only noticed this five months into her pregnancy. She resolved to keep the child and delivered a baby boy.
She split up with her boyfriend and returned to school after giving birth; her schoolmates were none the wiser as to her motherhood.
However, another pupil at the school apparently noticed her clothes were damp from the milk she was expressing.
Seeing both an opportunity for free food and a commercial venture in the making, he threatened to expose her pregnancy unless she breastfed him. Soon he gathered three friends and ordered her to feed them too.
His plan developed, and soon he was taking money from other students in return for letting them take advantage of his human dairy.
With the scheme getting out of hand, it soon came to the attention of the school, who moved to put a stop to it, vowing severe punishment for the boy responsible, though it seems he will not face criminal charges.
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Two boys, 10, are arrested on suspicion of raping girl, eight
By Rebecca Camber - 30th October 2009
Two 10-year-old boys have been arrested on suspicion of raping an eight-year-old girl in a playground.
The schoolgirl had been playing with the boys, believed to be her friends, when the alleged attack happened during half-term school holidays.
She went with the boys to College Park in Hayes, West London to play on the climbing frame and swings close to Hayes Community Campus, which is part of Uxbridge College.
The attack on the youngster was witnessed by her six-year-old sister, neighbours claimed last night.
The children were not being supervised by any adults at the time, detectives said.
The boys were seen meeting up with the the girl and her younger sister at about 11am on Tuesday.
The young girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said she was taken to bushes at the edge of the park where she was sexually assaulted in broad daylight on Tuesday at around 2pm.
The two boys are alleged to have taken turns raping her.
Afterwards, the young girl ran home to tell her parents who live close by.
Horrified, they alerted police and the two boys, who live close to the victim, were arrested hours later.
The youngsters, who are said to be best friends, were quizzed about the incident before being bailed to return to a West London police station next month.
The attack is being investigated by the Metropolitan Police's recently re-organised Sapphire Unit in the Specialist Crime Directorate.
Detectives specially trained in child sex offences have since interviewed the young girl.
Yesterday the playground and adjourning playing fields were sealed off while forensic officers combed the scene for evidence.
The attack has stunned local residents living in the estate beside the park.
Yesterday deputy mayor of Hillingdon Council, Councillor David Yarrow said: 'I have never heard of two ten-year-olds being accused of raping an eight-year-old girl. It's just totally shocking.
'It's like the James Bulger case, you can't believe children of that age would be capable of something like that.'
Police said the victim sustained no physical injuries in the attack.
A 49-year-old housewife who lives near one of the alleged perpetrators said: 'The boy is regularly left alone by his mum while she goes out for hours on end.
'The boy's mother is known for being aggressive and she has a criminal record. But her son is as polite as can be.'
_________________________________________
Girl films rape of friend
May 30, 2009
A 14-YEAR-OLD girl acted as a “movie director” when she filmed her boyfriend raping her friend using a camera phone.
The Form Two student even gave words of encouragement to her boyfriend while “directing” him, according to Harian Metro.
Police sources said the sadistic incident took place recently when the victim was asked to join the couple at a quiet area in Bukit Ampang, Kuala Lumpur.
The victim was told to keep an eye on the surroundings while the girl had sex with her boyfriend.
“After they were done, the girl told the victim to have sex with her boyfriend. The victim declined. They later adjourned to another picnic area near Sungai Tekali, Hulu Langat,” said a source.
The victim was then raped while being watched by her schoolmate who appeared to enjoy the ordeal. The girl contacted two other male friends who proceeded to take turns raping the victim.
The victim lodged a police report at the Batu 14 police station in Hulu Langat with her mother.
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Assalamu-alaikum all,
Brothers and sisters, clearly there are 2 opposing opinions here.
However, the FACT remains....and i will say that this is FACT - that what has been illustrated in the OP as well as the many other examples provided by sister Islamica is that our 'western' concept of schooling is becoming a disgrace, and whats worse - a hazard - to many vulnerable minds WORLD-WIDE.
I read similiar reports of these types of school incidents frequently in our local newspapers.
In fact, many of our public schools now have members of the defence force/ police to be part of 'law-enforcement' on our school-grounds.
This is how rife drugs and other criminal activities have become here.
There is not a school that i know of, where our kids are completely safe - from drugs/ alcohol/ porn/ sexual indiscretions between students/ physical/ sexual abuse by members of staff, etc.....
And while, these sorts of incidents are less frequent at 'islamic schools' - they too find their ways within the confines of what should be an 'islamic-rich' enviroment.
This is reality.
This is the reason, as mentioned, why more and more parents are considering home-schooling, including myself, should I ever be blessed with kids oneday, insha Allah.
The most we can do, if home-schooling is not feasible to you - is to try and find the best possible unisex, islamic school for your child, that is closest to you.
And INSTILL Al-Quraan and Sunnah into our kids from young.
And then leave the rest to your Rabb - make duaa, that Allah protects you and your family from the fitnahs that are lashing out at us every single day, at every turn that we take.
Its a jungle out there - for sure!
Salaam
Brothers and sisters, clearly there are 2 opposing opinions here.
However, the FACT remains....and i will say that this is FACT - that what has been illustrated in the OP as well as the many other examples provided by sister Islamica is that our 'western' concept of schooling is becoming a disgrace, and whats worse - a hazard - to many vulnerable minds WORLD-WIDE.
I read similiar reports of these types of school incidents frequently in our local newspapers.
In fact, many of our public schools now have members of the defence force/ police to be part of 'law-enforcement' on our school-grounds.
This is how rife drugs and other criminal activities have become here.
There is not a school that i know of, where our kids are completely safe - from drugs/ alcohol/ porn/ sexual indiscretions between students/ physical/ sexual abuse by members of staff, etc.....
And while, these sorts of incidents are less frequent at 'islamic schools' - they too find their ways within the confines of what should be an 'islamic-rich' enviroment.
This is reality.
This is the reason, as mentioned, why more and more parents are considering home-schooling, including myself, should I ever be blessed with kids oneday, insha Allah.
The most we can do, if home-schooling is not feasible to you - is to try and find the best possible unisex, islamic school for your child, that is closest to you.
And INSTILL Al-Quraan and Sunnah into our kids from young.
And then leave the rest to your Rabb - make duaa, that Allah protects you and your family from the fitnahs that are lashing out at us every single day, at every turn that we take.
Its a jungle out there - for sure!
Salaam
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If that is the case, the best solution is to move to a more Islamic country if possible.
That's not some dismissive 'if you don't like it, get out' response, it's genuinely the best solution if people want to avoid corrupt, un-Islamic behaviour and society.
That's not some dismissive 'if you don't like it, get out' response, it's genuinely the best solution if people want to avoid corrupt, un-Islamic behaviour and society.
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But people won't move to an "islamic country", they don't run to the west only to go back. It's a one way ticket for majority. What's left then is to see how you can minimize harm from this environment. Islamic schools or better yet home school is the prime example and studies have shown those kids to be smarter and ahead of those in public schools. But then there is also the fact most Muslims are lazy and they rather have the tv and public schools do the raising for them. Islamic schools are also scarce and I think the muslim in uk are lazy in also in that regard, you have 70% of students in catholic schools being Muslims because the parents think public schools are bad. With 70% you can open your own islamic school, but why do the hard work? And when the teen muslims start dating, marrying kaffirs, and changing religion, the parents are running to the imam for help. here's news for you, too late!
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That's disgusting...I felt sick reading halfway through the article. NASTY people
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It depends on the level of risk. You could say roads are dangerous so it's better that you don't allow your kids to ever cross roads. If you want a good education then it may be better to risk sending your kids to school. You can say home schooling is safer, but home schooled kids will probably be able to handle social interaction less well than those who went to school... not to mention missing out on a lot of the practical aspects.
You can't protect them forever, and they have to learn to deal with non-Muslims if they live in a non-Muslim country. It may even strengthen them.
At the high school I went to a few of the teachers went to jail for molesting students among other things...
Either way, I think that in the West at least we need to start getting some more Islamic schools up and running then. I only know of one here where I live and you wouldn't know it was an Islamic school by the name...
Especially when you consider these statistics. It's actually surprising that more Muslims in the U.S. aren't doing more to establish more Islamic schools...
[h=6]In the U.S., 67 percent of the total U.S. population is over 40, 67 percent of the U.S. Muslim population is under 40.
[/h][h=6]67 percent of U.S. Muslims have a college degree, versus 44 percent of the general population.
[/h] [h=6]The U.S. average income is $42,000; 66 percent of U.S. Muslims earn over $50,000, and 26 percent over $100,000[/h]Source: Allied Media Corp
Either way, I think that in the West at least we need to start getting some more Islamic schools up and running then. I only know of one here where I live and you wouldn't know it was an Islamic school by the name...
Especially when you consider these statistics. It's actually surprising that more Muslims in the U.S. aren't doing more to establish more Islamic schools...
[h=6]In the U.S., 67 percent of the total U.S. population is over 40, 67 percent of the U.S. Muslim population is under 40.
[/h][h=6]67 percent of U.S. Muslims have a college degree, versus 44 percent of the general population.
[/h] [h=6]The U.S. average income is $42,000; 66 percent of U.S. Muslims earn over $50,000, and 26 percent over $100,000[/h]Source: Allied Media Corp
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Alternatively, the parent(s) have full-time jobs which they need in order to put food on the table and consequently do not have enough time in the day to sufficiently homeschool their children.
Or the Islamic schools in the area (if any exist) are full with extremely long waiting lists.
Or the parents do not feel they are qualified to teach their children school subjects.
Or the parents have misgivings about homeschooling in general.
It's unfair, reductive and dishonest to characterise people who send their children to state schools as lazy.
Just because there are relatively few Islamic schools in the UK at the time of writing, it doesn't mean people aren't trying to open more.
Serious question: even if a child is homeschooled, who's to say they won't run away and do the above as soon as their schooling is over?
If you're arguing that Muslim parents should teach Islam and morality to their children, I agree with you wholeheartedly, especially if they're living in non-Muslim countries. But when the children become adults, it's ultimately up to them how they choose to behave, regardless of their background or upbringing.
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Whatever the situation of the people may be. At beginning of the thread, someone had demanded i show more proof of how bad western public education systems are. So i'll continue posting to show what environment today's kids are being raised in and what's its leading to. Others can use the information to plan their family according or just turn blind eye to it and keep living as they are.
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Okay, maybe American education system has a rule like this, that's different than Indonesian education system. But basically the system is same, because both countries follow universal system which followed by many countries too.
There are many students who became victims of sexual assault. But who did these sexual assault?. Many of them are the family members themselves, other are other people who know them, the rest are strangers. Cases which teacher sexually assaulting students is rare.
I think you want to remind us to choose homeschooling. Okay, I understand, but I and many other parents have our own reasons to educate our kids in public schools.
By the way, if you think that cases happened only in the west, why you show us cases from China and Malaysia?
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You, yourself, have stated that such things happen in the east as well. I'm not here promoting the evilness of the west but rather just showing the evilness of things going on in the public system. West is dominating because most of the stuff is happening here, but that does not mean public schools in east are exempt, especially non-Muslim ones. Malaysia has large chinese population, among other races, so those cases may have been of the non-muslims.
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How about few Qur'an teachers in Indonesia who raped their students?.
Everything could be happen to our kids, but we cannot protect them with over protection. It would make them lose their ability to interact people and lose their courage to face the problems in the future.
What we have to do is always watch, guard and supervise our kids. I and my wife always watch our kids and we often come to their schools. If we find something wrong we will move them to other schools.
But if you have different opinion, I understand.
Maybe it's better if we make agreement to disagree in this matter, or we will be engaged in never ending debate.
