Proof that God exists!!!

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Abu Hanifah
Imam Abu Hanifa organized a meeting with Atheists to discuss the existence of Allah. On purpose, Imam Abu Hanifa joined the gathering late which lead the Atheists to believe that Imam Abu Hanifa had no argument. Finally when he arrive he told them, 'I came to cross the river and no boats were there to take me across then a tree fell down and formed planks of wood all by itself and I waited and the rest of the boat was formed right before my eyes and that's why I am late'. Of course they didn't believe him and told him it couldn't just happen like that. Imam Abu Hanifa replied, 'Then how can the universe form all by itself?'.


Imam Shafi
Imam Shafi was asked what the proofs are of the existance of God and he replied, 'The leaves of Toot (berries) are all but one. Each leaf tastes exactly the same. Insects, honey bees, cows, goats, and deer live off of it. After eating these the insects produce silk; bees produce honey; deer give musk (a special kind of scent), cows and goats deliver off-springs. Is this not clear evidence that one kind of leaf has so many qualities, and who created these qualities? It is the Creator who we call Allah. Who is the Inventor and the Creator."


Ahmad ibn Hanbal
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal reflected on the question in the following way. He said, 'There is an incredibly strong fort, it has no doors, there is no way to get in. In fact, there is not even a hole in it. From outside it glows like the moon and from inside it shimmers like gold. It is sealed from all sides, matter of fact it is air tight. Suddenly one of its doors breaks down, a living thing with eyes and ears, a beautiful looking animal appears yelling and wandering all over. So is not there a creator who made it possible for life to take place in this secured and closed fort? And is not this Creator better than humans? This Creator has no limit'. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal was referring to an egg which is closed from all sides but Allah The Creator puts life in it and a chick pops out.


Imam Malik
Once Khalifa Haroon Rasheed asked Imam Malik, 'What is the evidence pointing to the existence of Allah?' Imam Malik replied, 'Difference in languages, difference in pitches of voice, difference in singing are proof that Allah exists!'
 
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Subhanallah! Jazakaallah khayr!

Existence itself is proof enough!

But, I do know that we, as religious people, do not have to prove anything, we live by faith.

We would have to be pretty stupid to have witnessed the world around us, and the miracle of life, and then said, belief in God is only faith. If existence isn't all the proof anyone needs, then I don't know what is wrong with our intelligence. :)
 
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There is no proof. Only faith.

If someone could prove beyond all doubt that God existed, it would be a monumental, historical moment. It would change mankind forever.

These claims of proof of God are only faith. Your 'proof' is not proof at all to someone that does not share your faith.

For the record, I believe in God. I am somewhat of an agnostic though.
 
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Greetings and peace be with you Battle_4_Peace;

Very impresive stuff, but I feel it would be more honest to say evidence that God exists, rather than proof that God exists. We can interpret evidence in many ways, hence we have Islam, Christianity, Hindu, and all manor of beliefs.

Proof is proof and is not open to interpretation.

In the spirit of searching for God,

Eric
 
Again some people don’t seam to have the ability to distinguish between a “Valid Argument” and “Proof”. You convince no one but those already convinced.
And that is not entirely true either. I believe in god the creator and I can see through your silliness.
 
'If the neutron were 0.1% less massive, so many protons would be built up to make neutrons that all the stars in the universe would have rapidly collapsed into either neutron stars or black holes'. (John Barrow and Frank Tipler, 'The Anthropic Cosmological Principle', Page 400).

Did this happen by chance?

The trouble is that's a nonsensical question. The statement is true, but there is no chance involved. It happened. Odds 1:1. If it hadn't have happened we would not be here discussing it. We don't know, and are incapable of knowing, of any other possible 'results'. We don't know what the 'odds' (they weren't zero) were at that one point in time (and in this context even that doesn't make sense, of course) and we don't even know it could have happened any other way. Neither do we know how many failed attempts there were in which universes rapidly ceased to exist because the constants worked out wrong, or even if every possibility actually happened simultaneously.

The modern argument for design is interesting (and very, very well known), but as with all other arguments regarding the existence of God 'proves' absolutely nothing. In addition to the above, the same old question still sits there unanswered by theists. If New York needs a designer, the cell needs a designer and the universe needs a designer why doesn't something more complex than all of those things, God, need a designer? The best answer offered is a load of philosophical waffle about 'first causes', and every move there is easily countered (but not disproven!) by the 'other side'. Taking the 'belief' side is purely a matter of faith, as has been said. For that reason, only those who already believe accept the design argument as any sort of proof as they accept quite happily that God somehow popped out of nothing even when nothing else is allowed to. To others it's an interesting and thought provoking argument, no more.
 
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Just think, if an asteroid had not hit 65 million years ago, we might be debating if 6 toed lizards were really our most recent ancestor. :smile:
 
'The brain's tissue includes some 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 protein molecules'. ('The Tape Recorder in Your Brain', Coronet, 1958, Page 57).

'What about the human brain? It's a legitimate computer system, 1.000 times faster than a Cray Super Computer and with more connections than all the computers, phone systems and electronic appliances on the entire planet'. (Eastman and Missler, 'The Creator Beyond Time and Space').

'There are 10.000.000.000 nerve cells in the brain. Each of the 10.000.000.000 cells sprouts between 10.000 and 100.000 fibers to contact other nerve cells in the brain, creating approximately 1.000.000.000.000.000 connections. Take half of the United States, which is 1 million square miles, and imagine it being covered by forest, with 10.000 trees per square mile. On each of the 10.000 trees, which are on each of the one million square miles, there are 100.000 leaves. That's how many connections are crammed inside your brain. They form an incredibly intricate network system that has no parallel in the industrial world'. (Michael Denton, 'Evolution, A Theory in Crisis', Page 330).

'The information content of the brain expressed in bits is probably comparable to the total number of connections among the neurons about a 100.000.000.000.000 bits. If written out in English, say, that information would fill some twenty million volumes, as many as in the world largest libraries. The equivalent of 20.000.000 books is inside the heads of every one of us. The brain is a very big place in a small space'. (John Polkinghorne, 'One World', London, 1986, Page 57).

'In crude terms, the human brain is a natural computer composed of 10.000.000.000 to 100.000.000.000 neurons, each of which connects to about 10.000 others, and all of which function in parallel. Neuronal systems take about 100 processing steps to perform a complex tasks of vision or speech which would take an electronic computer billions of processing steps'. (Michael Recce & Philip Treleavan, 'Computing from the brain’, New Scientist, Vol. 118, No. 1614, Page 61).

'If memory is so detailed, how can the brain find room for it all? It is estimated that, in a lifetime, a brain can store 1.000.000.000.000.000 units of information. To store so much, the units of storage must be of molecular size. There would be room for nothing more'. (Isaac Asimov, 'Asimov’s New Guide to Science', Page 848).

The brain is without doubt, one of the greatest proofs for God's existence!! Subhan'Allah wallahu Akbar!

'On the earth are signs for those of assured faith, and also in yourselves. Can ye then not see?' (Qur'an 51:20 and 21).

You call this evidence! This thread should be closed because it's bull and we all know that no evidence or proof exists, ditto nana, NOTHING.

This is noting but an arguement from complexity and can be seriously challenged with "climbing mount improbable" debate where u my friend can only see the sheer rock face in front of you and not the gradual slope that lies behind!

Lets's take a cup of tea. Drink most of it - down to perhaps the last mouthful or even the last sip. How big a number do you need to have to describe to me what you have left in your cup? Would the last sip of your tea (I'll use tea here because I don't like coffee) be "astronomical"?

so if we could show you that things were in fact bigger than you thought (more parts for the brain in your model, a bigger hurricane, etc.) maybe you could start to see that life could have happened by chance (and in fact probably did happen that way).

Back to the last sip of water.

How many molecules are there in a rather small form of life, such as a very simple bacteria? That is to say, how many parts are there to be put in place to build the brain you say can't be made by chance.

Sip a little more water but leave just a bit behind. How much is there now?

If you can swirl it around in the cup, you will really have quite a large amount. If it is even just down to a few drops (less than the sip I said to leave behind), that is still quite large. Probably well past "astronomical".

A small shot glass will hold over 30ml, so half of that will be around a "mole" of water (a gram-molecular-weight) or roughly 602,300,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules. If you have only left a few drops in your cup then maybe change the "602" to "10" or so and leave the rest.

Now look at that last sip of tea/water/coffee and try to picture the size of the atoms involved in your mind. (I have trouble here, so I think you will too - they are very small.) The American budget deficit has a long way to go to catch up with numbers like this (but keep electing republican presidents and anything is possible).

Now, let's do the same thing with the duration of "time".

You probably think that "thousands and millions" of years is "astronomical", but note that I just said "and" in that expression. Try changing the "and" to the word "of".

Thousands of millions of years. Repeat that to yourself.

A million years followed by another million years followed by yet another million years (that's three million years), followed by another million years (4) and another (5) and still followed by yet another (6)..... until you get to (2145).

Between 2,145 and 2,146 million years ago there was an interval of time that lasted for one million years. (That is a thousand years followed by another thousand years [2] followed by yet another thousand years [3] and another [4] and so on until a thousand thousands is reached.) This all happens one year at a time. And back around 2,146 million years life had been going on quite happily on this here rock in space for - another thousand million years???

Somewhere back around then, life was approaching the "halfway" point in the story of life on earth, such a very long duration of time ago that your chance of understanding it is about the same as your perception of the size of an atom or a water molecule. And "life" could even be older that the age of this planet, if it was able to survive a few intervals "freeze-dried" in the icy balls we call "comets". In that case, it could have started on Mars a bit earlier than the history of earth would allow, or it may even have been able to jump from one solar system to another as they passed near each other. But I'm also happy with the idea that life did first occur here and the laws of chemistry and such - if you bother to learn them - make that understandable.

Now, back to your question. How many molecules does it take to make a "cell" and how many molecules are there in the average size ocean or even in a tide-pool? If you were to keep trying combinations of atoms every day for a few million years, how many times would you get a plausible combination that could have been "life"? Try thinking about this every time you are about to take the last sip of whatever you are having to drink for the next few years, the come back and tell me that astronomical numbers are a reason not to have allowed life to occur.
 
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When the droppings of a camel indicate its presence and the footprints of a human reveal his presence, then why would the heavens and the earth with all their magnificence and glamour; not point to the existence of an Al-Mighty Creator? SubhanAllah :) :w:
 
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When the droppings of a camel indicate its presence and the footprints of a human reveal his presence, then why would the heavens and the earth with all their magnificence and glamour; not point to the existence of an Al-Mighty Creator? SubhanAllah :) :w:

Let's call bulls*** bulls***
 
Look around, do you see the world, unverse, people, animals. They are proof my Master created this and much much more.
 
Look around, do you see the world, unverse, people, animals. They are proof my Master created this and much much more.

Yes, and when we find the explanation, it seems your god (assuming it end up as YOUR god) seems less and less involved in anything. Besides which, still waiting on the credible "proof".

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lool that good old word 'proof',

I'd rather worship a God (Our God) than a set of theories. peace out!
 
Look around, do you see the world, unverse, people, animals. They are proof my Master created this and much much more.

lool that good old word 'proof',

I'd rather worship a God (Our God) than a set of theories. peace out!

That is your perogative, you can worship a sky god if you wish. I only object to teaching it as truth in a science class........................ and thier is something about the truth I find appealing, guess that's why I dont bury my head in the sand and claim to have faith.
 
Okay..I dont see any use arguing over this as there have been and will probably be loads more threads on this topic.

But I'd like to wish you the best of luck in finding the 'truth' and 'proof' of the existence of God. Peace out :)
 

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