Proof that God exists!!!

[AvarAllahNoor]

Yes, and when we find the explanation, it seems your god (assuming it end up as YOUR god) seems less and less involved in anything. Besides which, still waiting on the credible "proof".

He speaks to me......all the proof I need

 

[root]

He speaks to me......all the proof I need

An interesting point. The Yorkshire ripper heard voices too, he's serving life for multiple murders. When we hear voices we are either mad or very religous, I don't see the distinction really.

 

[England]

I believe in God. My religion is different to everyone's here but the problem is I don't know what it is. I believe in God, just one God and Jesus as his Son, the Virgin Mary as Jesus' Mother. I don't believe that "if we don't worship God we will go to hell." My beliefs are that God is our Father and he looks at us as his children. You should respect him as your Father and just live your life. Don't commit any wrong doings such as murder, terrorism, stealing etc. This body of ours is like an egg and once we pass we hatch and our spirit is separated from the Good and the Bad. The Good enters the spirit world which is a much better place than here and the bad shall not enter. I don't believe in worship.


Does anyone know what my religion is? My beliefs are based on spiritualist churches I've been to and the accurate readings I've received.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

An interesting point. The Yorkshire ripper heard voices too, he's serving life for multiple murders. When we hear voices we are either mad or very religous, I don't see the distinction really.

HOW VERY DARE YOU! - The shabad 'Jis Nu Toon Jania So Jan Janae'' To Those You Give Your Knowledge To, They Will Know You'

You're spritually blind, I'll pray for you my brother/sister!

 

[wilberhum]

When the droppings of a camel indicate its presence and the footprints of a human reveal his presence, then why would the heavens and the earth with all their magnificence and glamour; not point to the existence of an Al-Mighty Creator? SubhanAllah

What does it prove if a human footprint is in the middle of the camel droppings? Camels existed before humans?

 

[root]

HOW VERY DARE YOU!

dare me or not, it's a valid point. When people hear voices they are reffered for mental assesment, when the voices invoke religion then it seems to be OK. Two distinctions, where I only see one.

- The shabad 'Jis Nu Toon Jania So Jan Janae'' To Those You Give Your Knowledge To, They Will Know You'

Thanks for those words, I can only offer you wise words in return.

The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open.

You're spritually blind, I'll pray for you my brother/sister!

I don't think so, I have faith in the spaghetti monster or are you just another atheist to MY GOD! Additionally, thanks for preying for me and more so for telling me since it would seem preyers have a placebo effect only when the recipient is aware of preyers being made on thier behalf, otherwise it's quite a futile waste of valuable time and good quality oxygen, dont u think.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

dare me or not, it's a valid point. When people hear voices they are reffered for mental assesment, when the voices invoke religion then it seems to be OK. Two distinctions, where I only see one.



Thanks for those words, I can only offer you wise words in return.

The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open.



I don't think so, I have faith in the spaghetti monster or are you just another atheist to MY GOD! Additionally, thanks for preying for me and more so for telling me since it would seem preyers have a placebo effect only when the recipient is aware of preyers being made on thier behalf, otherwise it's quite a futile waste of valuable time and good quality oxygen, dont u think.

You will be saved, even if you don't believe.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Maybe he doesn't WANT to be saved.

I don't.

If there is a heaven and hell as envisioned by Islam or Christianity, heaven doesn't sound at all like a place I would want to go. All the good subservient Christians and Muslims can go on and praise God for all eternity. I request only that I cease to exist. And I hope that I have the moral fibre to stand up to the Tyrant God and not break if he condemns me to his sadistic torture called hell. Even if not, I'd have to at least try. I wouldn't respect myself if I didn't.

 

[Malaikah]

praise God for all eternity.

Actually, paradise is a life of its own full of nothing but pleasure. The lowest person in paradise will have 10 times the earth and everything in it all for himself to enjoy. The only form of worship is when the believers glorify God out of gratitude and happiness.

I request only that I cease to exist.

Sadly, that is the fate of the animals, and when those destined to hell see that the animals are turned to dust and cease to exist, they will wish that they would also be turned to dust.

And I hope that I have the moral fibre to stand up to the Tyrant God and not break if he condemns me to his sadistic torture called hell. Even if not, I'd have to at least try. I wouldn't respect myself if I didn't.

God is a not a tyrant. If you are sent to hell you won't be able to maintain any dignity, at all. You won't even be thinking about it. The fire of hell is 70 times hotter than that of earth, and that is only part of the punishment...

Considering that God is the Most Merciful and Compassionate, the sinners must have done something pretty bad to be taken to hell, and if you find yourself in that situation (and may God protect us all from that), then know that you have no one to blame but yourself, and most certainly not God.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Maybe he doesn't WANT to be saved.

I don't.

If there is a heaven and hell as envisioned by Islam or Christianity, heaven doesn't sound at all like a place I would want to go. All the good subservient Christians and Muslims can go on and praise God for all eternity. I request only that I cease to exist. And I hope that I have the moral fibre to stand up to the Tyrant God and not break if he condemns me to his sadistic torture called hell. .

Sikhs don't believe in the above either.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Considering that God is the Most Merciful and Compassionate, the sinners must have done something pretty bad to be taken to hell

I thought Islam was like Christianity in that you are condemned to hell simply for not believing in Allah? Is that incorrect?

 

[Abdul Fattah]

I thought Islam was like Christianity in that you are condemned to hell simply for not believing in Allah? Is that incorrect?

Not exactly
We are not told who will go to heave nand who will go to hell. In teh end only Allah subhana wa ta'ala knows and only he will judge. It could be that someone appears to be a firm believer but is actually a hypocrite, and it may be that someone is not muslim because he doesn't know Islam, but follows his soul and does all the right things for all the right reasons.

since we cannot know these things, since we cannot judge intentions since we don't have the insight nor capacity to balance scales of good and evil deeds, we are unable to make claims about who will be in hell and who will be in heaven. Of course being a practising Muslim increases those chances dramatically. And being a disbeliever decreases them in a very simular way that being a mathematician increases your chances at solving an equation whereas being a disbeliever in math decrease it.

 

[AzizMostafa]

Imam Ali bin Abi Talib says:
> Wonder at who:
1. was just a drop of semen the other day + will turn into a corpse tomorrow.
2. doubts God although he/she sees His creations.
3. has forgotten death although he/she sees people dying.
4. denies the second life although he/she has seen the first life.
5. inhabits this transient abode but ignores the everlasting abode.

 

[Trumble]

God is a not a tyrant. If you are sent to hell you won't be able to maintain any dignity, at all. You won't even be thinking about it. The fire of hell is 70 times hotter than that of earth, and that is only part of the punishment...

Can you explain why a totally benevolent, omnipotent God supposed to be " the Most Merciful and Compassionate" would let anybody go to hell merely for the "crime" of not acknowledging him (or indeed far worse ones). Not much mercy or compassion there. Surely that is indeed the worse sort of tyranny, egoism and indeed sadism? As God cannot have those properties (or at least, we are all in an awful lot of trouble if He does) the whole concept of heaven and hell seems nonsense. Even within a theistic context it seems likely the whole thing was dreamt up to keep in people in line behaving as they should.

Why would a God who is truly the most merciful and compassionate not exhibit this mercy and compassion and admit everyone to Paradise.. or indeed to extinction, if that is what they choose?

 

[Malaikah]

^God is the Most Merciful and Compassionate, and He is also severe in punishment, and also Just. He is not Merciful in such a way that would be unjust (such as by allowing evil people to enter His Paradise). He is also most Wise and we should never question what we know to have come from Him.

We were created for a reason- to worship God alone. I am not sure if you know this, but before Adam was placed in earth all of humanity was drawn out from him and stood before God, and we accepted the 'challenge' to have freedom of choice and live our lives on Earth and accept God's messengers. So, this is something we agreed to, it isn't something that was forced on to us, we choose it.

You might not make much of rejecting God- but it is the height of arrogance and pretence of self-sufficiency, and only God is self-sufficient.

We might not understand the enormity of the crime of rejecting God, or associating partners with Him, but is only because of our own ignorance. For example, Allah swt mentioned in the Quran, that the act of associating partners with God (more specifically, the claim that He has a son) is so terrible that:

Whereby the heavens are almost torn, and the earth is split asunder, and the mountains fall in ruins,
[19:90]​

...and yet mankind just can't understand.

God is the one who makes the rules, not us. He is most worthy of praise.

Oh, and you also for get that rejecting God isn't only about not believing in Him- you also reject to do as He commanded you to do, having the audacity to disobey Him, the arrogance to refuse that He even exists, even though He is the one who created you and nourished you and gave you so much blessings and signs to contemplate, you come up with cheap arguments such as not believing that God would allow such injustice to happen in the Earth, thereby considering Him to be unjust and unaware of what He has created and not able to set things aright, although He has said:

Consider not that Allâh is unaware of that which the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.
[14:42]​

...you deny God His rights, and also you deny mankind their God-given rights by refusing God's plan and creating your own cheap human version, thereby causing trouble and corruption in earth by following a flawed governing system... etc

 

[SilentObserver]

We were created for a reason- to worship God alone.

Does God have an enormous ego, or does God have issues with self-esteem and needs constant reassurance?

before Adam was placed in earth all of humanity was drawn out from him and stood before God, and we accepted the 'challenge' to have freedom of choice and live our lives on Earth and accept God's messengers. So, this is something we agreed to, it isn't something that was forced on to us, we choose it.

OH boy! You are going to have to provide proof of this one!

We might not understand the enormity of the crime of rejecting God, or associating partners with Him, but is only because of our own ignorance. For example, Allah swt mentioned in the Quran, that the act of associating partners with God (more specifically, the claim that He has a son) is so terrible that:

So by your words, we are to be punished for ignorance? For not understanding the enormity of our crimes, or if we are even committing a crime? This is merciful? This version of God is very, very wrong.

We might not understand the enormity of the crime of rejecting God, or associating partners with Him, but is only because of our own ignorance. For example, Allah swt mentioned in the Quran, that the act of associating partners with God (more specifically, the claim that He has a son) is so terrible that:

I have heard some say that the act of assuming that God would need a man (namely muhammud) to make his wishes know is very wrong. That this diminishes the strength of God. They say that Muhammud was not a prophet.

 

[Malaikah]

Does God have an enormous ego, or does God have issues with self-esteem and needs constant reassurance?

Asta3furillah, no! The reality is that God only told us that we were created to worship him, we don't have any other information. Only He knows the true wisdom behind His creating us.

OH boy! You are going to have to provide proof of this one!

The only proof I have is the word of Muhammad pbuh. Do you still want it?

So by your words, we are to be punished for ignorance? For not understanding the enormity of our crimes, or if we are even committing a crime? This is merciful? This version of God is very, very wrong.

No. Just because we don't understand the enormity of the crime, doesn't mean weren't warned about it.

I have heard some say that the act of assuming that God would need a man (namely muhammud) to make his wishes know is very wrong. That this diminishes the strength of God. They say that Muhammud was not a prophet.

The audacity of such an argument . Who is assuming God needs it? We witnessed that a man was sent, and we believed in him. God sent us a man from amongst ourselves to remind us.

We believe that is what God choose to do, not that it was the only thing in His power to do, nor that God is dependent on Muhammad pbuh in anyway!

That was His plan- to warn us via a man. He could have told us Himself- just as He spoke directly to Moses Himself, but that is not what He willed.

It is ironic that someone would argue that God is in need to sending a man because He is somehow not capable of delivering his own message, and consider this to be a weakness of His Power, while their own argument shows that they believe themselves to be wiser than God because they assume that God is dependent on Muhammad pbuh (which no one ever claimed!) and that He doesn't know what He is doing. Sounds like they are demanding that God do things their own way (unless they only devised the argument because they believe that Muslims actually think that God was incapable of going the job himself- may God protect us from such a sinful line of thinking).

 

[SilentObserver]

It is ironic that someone would argue that God is in need to sending a man because He is somehow not capable of delivering his own message, and consider this to be a weakness of His Power, while their own argument shows that they believe themselves to be wiser than God because they assume that God is dependent on Muhammad pbuh (which no one ever claimed!) and that He doesn't know what He is doing. Sounds like they are demanding that God do things their own way (unless they only devised the argument because they believe that Muslims actually think that God was incapable of going the job himself- may God protect us from such a sinful line of thinking).

LOL! I'm getting used to you getting it all wrong. My point was that God does not need a man to do anything.

consider this to be a weakness of His Power, while their own argument shows that they believe themselves to be wiser than God because they assume that God is dependent on Muhammad

Foolish assumption. No, clearly my point is that God is more intelligent and powerful than we can imagine. I was merely poking holes in the little box that you have attempted to place him in. The only sinful line of thinking is ......... something I can't say on this forum.
May God help you to see how wrong you are, poor girl.

 

[Malaikah]

LOL! I'm getting used to you getting it all wrong. My point was that God does not need a man to do anything.

I think we all know that God is capable of acting however He pleases and doing whatever He wished- but I understand why Him wishing to send a Messenger in human form to us is a sign that He is diminished in strength?

If we all knew without doubt that God existed because He had spoken to us, it would destroy the purpose of creating us. this life is a test. What good is a test if we have all the answers.

I was merely poking holes in the little box that you have attempted to place him in.

God is beyond human understand and comprehension- I know that very well. I didn't place Him in no box, you did with the claim that sending a Messenger diminishes His power, you think yourself wiser than God if you believe that. Even if you assume that Muhammad is not a messenger, you still placed limits on God when you made that claim.

 

[SilentObserver]

What makes you think this life is a test?