Prophet Jesus Crucifiction In Bible

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Dear Sister Khadija,

I assure you that it wasn't my intention to offend anybody. When I said that I was only repeating what I had read in the Hadith, which are now available to anybody on the Internet. You can find the same if you look for it. There is no doubt at all that Muhammed captured women and distributed them among his followers, as part of the general distribution of the booty. And that he kept some for himself and had them as concubines. Those are things that any scholar of Islam would agree with.

You get me wrong if you think I want to offend anybody. Let alone women like you. It is on the contrary, because I respect women tremendously that I want them to learn about how different people have behaved in relation to women in the past. Women should stand for their rights and never allow men to trample on them.

Thank you for your response, it is very much appreciated.


Please quote for me your eveidence from the Hadith and evidence from Islamic Scholars that agree.

You have to understand something about the Hadith. It was not protected like the Qur'an. A lot of man made changes has happend. If what we read in Hadith contradicts the Qur'an it is disregarded as incorrect information.

I never have and am sure never will hear of an Islamic Scholar would agree with such a statment. But please, give us some quotes you have read on the matter. I believe you see a lot of junk websites of people trying to break down the religion becasue they do not like Islam.

Have you read the Chapter of Women in the Qur'an? We are so special in Islam, we have our own Chapter and will go Paradise even before the men.

In Islam, woman has a high status which no past nation ever achieved and which no subsequent nation has been able to attain, because the honour which Islam gives to humanity includes men and women equally. They are equal before the rulings of Allaah in this world and they will be equal with regard to His reward and punishment in the Hereafter. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“And indeed We have honoured the Children of Adam”

[al-Isra’ 17:70]

“There is a share for men and a share for women from what is left by parents and those nearest related”

[al-Nisa’ 4:7]

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

“The believers, men and women, are Awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another”

[al-Tawbah 9:71]

“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.

And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: ‘My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was young’”

[al-Isra’ 17:23-24]

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“So their Lord accepted of them (their supplication and answered them), “Never will I allow to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:195]

“Whoever works righteousness — whether male or female — while he (or she) is a true believer (of Islamic Monotheism) verily, to him We will give a good life (in this world with respect, contentment and lawful provision), and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do (i.e. Paradise in the Hereafter)”

[al-Nahl 16:97]

“And whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a (true) believer [in the Oneness of Allaah (Muslim)], such will enter Paradise and not the least injustice, even to the size of a Naqeera (speck on the back of a date stone), will be done to them”

[al-Nisa’ 4:124]

There is nothing in any other religion, nation or law that can compare to the honour which woman gains in Islam. The Roman civilization decreed that woman was a slave who belonged to man, and had no rights at all. In Rome a major synod met to discuss the case of woman, and decided that she was a being who had no soul, and that therefore she would not inherit life in the Hereafter, and that she was evil.

In Athens women were regarded as chattels; they were bought and sold, and were regarded as evil, the handiwork of the devil.

The ancient laws of India state that disease, death, Hell, snake venom and fire were all better than woman. Her right to life came to an end when her husband’s – or master’s – life ended. When she saw his body burning she would throw herself into the flames; if she did not do so, she would be subject to curses.

With regard to woman in Judaism, the ruling on her in the Old Testament is as follows:

“So I turned my mind to understand,

to investigate and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things

and to understand the stupidity of wickedness

and the madness of folly.

I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare,

whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains…”

(Ecclesiastes 7:25-26 – New International Version)

It is known that the Old Testament is venerated and believed by both Jews and Christians.

This was the situation of woman in ancient times. With regard to her situation in the Middle Ages and in modern times, this will be explained by the following:

The Danish writer Wieth Kordsten explained the view of the Catholic Church towards women. He said: “During the Middle Ages very little care was given to women, following the teaching of the Catholic church which regarded woman as a second class creation.” In France, a council in 586 CE decided to research the case of woman and whether she was to be counted as human or not. After some discussion, they decided that woman was human, but she was created to serve man.

The 217th clause of the French law states the following: “A married woman – even if her marriage is based on the condition of separating what belongs to her and what belongs to her husband – is not permitted to give anything as a gift or to transfer any of her property or use it as collateral, or to take possession of anything whether in return for payment or otherwise, without her husband being a party to the contract or agreeing to it in writing.”

In England, Henry VIII forbade the English woman to read the Bible. Until 1850 CE women were not counted as citizens, and until 1882 CE they did not have any personal rights.

(Silsilat Maqaarinah al-Adyaan, by Dr. Ahmad Shalaby, vol. 3, p. 210-213)

As for contemporary woman in Europe, America and other industrial nations, she is a creature which is degraded and abused for commercial purposes. She is a feature of advertising campaigns, and things have reached a stage where she takes off her clothes in order to advertise products on posters, and she sells and displays her body according to systems devised by men, so that she is no more than an object of pleasure for them in every place.

Woman is cared for so long as she is able to give and contribute physically or mentally. When she becomes old and cannot give any more, society – individuals and institutions – forsakes her and she lives alone in her house or in a mental hospital.

Compare this – and there is no comparison – with the teachings of the Noble Qur’aan, in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The believers, men and women, are Awliya’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another”

[al-Tawbah 9:71]

“And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable”

[al-Baqarah 2:228]

“And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him. And that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.

And lower unto them the wing of submission and humility through mercy, and say: ‘My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy as they did bring me up when I was young’”

[al-Isra’ 17:23-24]

Since her Lord has honoured her in this way, it is clear to all of mankind that He has created her to be a mother, a wife, a daughter and a sister, so He prescribed laws which apply exclusively to women and not men.

Salaam,
Sister Khadija
 
Sister Khadija,

Please go and check the following link. It is mantained by Muslims so you shouln't be afraid of any negative bias. You can find MANY more narrations like this one. I just didn't want to make this post too long.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html

Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE


Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).


Do you see what I am talking about? When the warriors themselves had doubts about having sex with the women captured in battle Muhammad came forward with a verse allowing them to do so. In fact, he allowed them to rape the women. Do you see any concern for the opinion of the women involved? For their feelings? Did they get any choice about whether to have sex with the warriors?

You can find DOZENS of narrations like this one. Please don't take my word and check by yourself. Do you see the link between the utter lack of respect for women manifested by Muhammad and the fact that TODAY women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia and are stoned to death in Iran and Nigeria? You don't say where you live but I am sure you
enjoy more rights than they do. Be sure not to put in danger those rights. By the mere fact of being a Muslim you give strength to those who would deprive you of your rights if they could. If you want (as I want) to worship God, there are other ways and other paths.
 
Sister Khadija,

Please go and check the following link. It is mantained by Muslims so you shouln't be afraid of any negative bias. You can find MANY more narrations like this one. I just didn't want to make this post too long.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html

Chapter 29: IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE


Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).


Do you see what I am talking about? When the warriors themselves had doubts about having sex with the women captured in battle Muhammad came forward with a verse allowing them to do so. In fact, he allowed them to rape the women. Do you see any concern for the opinion of the women involved? For their feelings? Did they get any choice about whether to have sex with the warriors?

You can find DOZENS of narrations like this one. Please don't take my word and check by yourself. Do you see the link between the utter lack of respect for women manifested by Muhammad and the fact that TODAY women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia and are stoned to death in Iran and Nigeria? You don't say where you live but I am sure you
enjoy more rights than they do. Be sure not to put in danger those rights. By the mere fact of being a Muslim you give strength to those who would deprive you of your rights if they could. If you want (as I want) to worship God, there are other ways and other paths.

When looking at the Hadith, the translation was probably affected. WE would need a Brother or a Sister with the Hadith in Arabic.

Like I said before, you have to take the Quran and compare it to the Hadith.

In this case we need to look at the Quran as in the following quote:

"Also (prohibited to you for marriage)
Women already married
Except those that your right hand possess
Thus hath Allah ordained
(prohibitions) Against you
Except for these, all others
Are lawful, provided
You seek them in marriage
With gifts from your property
Desiring chastity, not fornication
Give them their dowry
For the enjoyment you have
Of them as a duty, but if
After a dower is prescribed you agree
Mutually (to change it)
There is no blame on you
And Allah is All-Knowing
All-wise."

Without retyping the hadith above, it is clear when looking at the entire ayah and the two preceeding it, that this ruling is about what women are lawful for MARRIAGE - NOT FORNICATION. I don't know why people would intentionally misinterpret the Arabic hadith, so I guess they made a mistake.

It is not about real fornication, rather about marriage and the fornication after the marriage.

So, this verse is directly relating to women captured after a battle with polytheists. These women became Muslim at some point and were therefore elligble for marriage. However, the companions (radi Allahu Anhum) were reluctant to marry the women because they had once been married to and were polytheists. Then the ayah was revealed to make it clear that these women could be married. Its not in the context that seems to be implied by some, ie the verse was revealed immediately after the battle. It was some time after, after the women became Muslim and after their iddah period (around 3-4 months).

You can not look at the ruled in other Countries and say women are oppressed in Islam. Rather, they are not following true Islam.


Salaam,
SisterKhadija
 
Dear Sister Khadija,

The hadith I posted is one among many that say essentially the same thing. You can read them on Muslim websites so there is no risk of biased interpretations.

There is no HINT in this hadith, or in any of the others, that it is referring to marriage. It is referring to sex, pure and simple. You know men. Do you think men, soldiers in particular, once they have a pretty young thing tied up at their feet would think about marriage? Have you met men who think like that? You are trying to defend the indefensible by seeing things that simply are not there, such as marriage or the idea that the women had previously converted to Islam.

What do you see in Islam that is so attractive that you would tie yourself in knots trying to defend it? It is the fact that it calls for worshipping the one God? Christianity does the same. Is it the fact that it says all men are brothers? Christianity says the same. Is it the fact that it ask us to be kind and truthful in our dealings with each other? Christianity does the same.

I will tell you what Islam has that Christianity doesn't have.

It has the hadith allowing the raping of female captives.
 
Turin:

Did you forget to read what brother Ansar posted for you to read??? Amazing you keep making those slanderous, false comments when you have been proven wrong.

You trying to convert the sister or what?? I think she's a bit smarter than to fall for the, Christians believe in one God too, comment, and they're all the same except for this ONE bad part, (which is a false statement).

Did you forget the part of the bible that says if a man rapes a woman and he is caught, he must marry her and is never allowed to divorce? This is women's rights? :heated: Did you forget that women are to cover their hair in church or have it shaved off? Did you forget that women are not permitted to speak in church? Did you forget that women exist only for man?

Sorry, Islam raises women way above that and gives us equal status. Alhamdulillah, I found Islam and am no longer oppressed by biblical writings. :)

Hana
 
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To Hana_Aku,

I will focus on only one thing that you said:

"women are to cover their hair in church or have it shaved off?"

Did you really say that? REALLY? We Christians are the bad guys who force our women to cover their hair? Who wears the burqa? What about the abaya? And the chador? And the more modest headscarf? What religion are the wearers of those practical and confortable items following?

Did you REALLY say that WE force our women to cover their hair?

Oh, my. This is worse than I thought.

But in any case. Just to make you sleep better at night, I will assure you that none of the followers of my religion will ever try to forcibly shave the head of a woman for exposing her hair in church. Take my word for it.
I go to a church close to where I live. I have seen women there wearing short skirts, t-shirts and shorts. No riots, no beatings. Try to dress like that when you attend a mosque. Please do, and then you tell me how did the experiment go.

If you are concerned about men forcing women to cover up you should really review your religious choices....
 
To Hana_Aku,

I will focus on only one thing that you said:

"women are to cover their hair in church or have it shaved off?"

Did you really say that? REALLY? We Christians are the bad guys who force our women to cover their hair? Who wears the burqa? What about the abaya? And the chador? And the more modest headscarf? What religion are the wearers of those practical and confortable items following?

Did you REALLY say that WE force our women to cover their hair?

Oh, my. This is worse than I thought.

But in any case. Just to make you sleep better at night, I will assure you that none of the followers of my religion will ever try to forcibly shave the head of a woman for exposing her hair in church. Take my word for it.
I go to a church close to where I live. I have seen women there wearing short skirts, t-shirts and shorts. No riots, no beatings. Try to dress like that when you attend a mosque. Please do, and then you tell me how did the experiment go.

If you are concerned about men forcing women to cover up you should really review your religious choices....

LOOOOOL I never said you DO it....that's my point....the BIBLE says they should....you don't follow the bible. Let me say something else, women going to church like that is disgusting and totally disrespectful. Even when I was Christian I would NEVER enter a church wearing those things. I don't know if that's something you want to be proud of, but hey, whatever.

And who exactly do you think forces me to cover? Let me assure you....there is not a man or woman on this planet that could force me to wear Hijab. Me wearing Hijab is between me and Allah. It has nothing to do with anyone forcing me. Wearing hijab is ordained by Allah, swt. It is up to me to obey Him or not. Countries that have laws about that are not following Islam. There is NO compulsion in religion. The fact that women DON'T cover their hair in church goes directly against the teachings of Christianity. You pick and choose what to follow. Your choice, not mine.
Before you come to an Islamic forum to try to convert Muslims, you might want to learn a little more about their faith. Actually, it might help if you learned a little more about your own. You wouldn't be so quick to comment on women covering in church if you knew your bible.

And, by the way...how would you know how practical or comfortable a head scarf is? You wear one lately? :rollseyes And, yes, I know many Christian women don't dress appropriately for church...but I doubt they'd want you to advertise that fact. :statisfie

Do read your bible and then learn the truth about Islam instead of speaking about things you don't know. :)

Have a lovely day. :)
Hana
 
To Hana_Aku,

But then I don't get you! In your first message you criticized Christianity because in it women are "oppressed by biblical writings". But then when I explained to you that we actually don't opress women according to biblical writings, yo said that we should!

What is exactly your criticism? That Christianity is too oppressive of women or not oppressive enough?

And a last point, according to you none of the countries that have a Muslim majority is following Islam because in all of them what a women wears is certainly not to be decided by her alone. If you don't believe me, try it yourself in any of those countries. You are proud of your freedom to wear your conservative islamic dress or not according to you own will. But perhaps that is because you live in a country that doesn't have yet a Muslim majority. Be careful.
 
To Hana_Aku,

But then I don't get you! In your first message you criticized Christianity because in it women are "oppressed by biblical writings". But then when I explained to you that we actually don't opress women according to biblical writings, yo said that we should!

Is that what I said?? You read my posts are careless as you read your bible. I was merely pointing out the fact that YOUR Bible, YOUR word of God, tells you if they don't cover shave their heads. So why are you not doing that?

What is exactly your criticism? That Christianity is too oppressive of women or not oppressive enough?

What is written in YOUR Bible about women keeps them lower than animals. Just because you don't follow YOUR word of God doesn't change the fact that the Bible degrades women and sees them as nothing more than disposable property.

And a last point, according to you none of the countries that have a Muslim majority is following Islam because in all of them what a women wears is certainly not to be decided by her alone. If you don't believe me, try it yourself in any of those countries. You are proud of your freedom to wear your conservative islamic dress or not according to you own will. But perhaps that is because you live in a country that doesn't have yet a Muslim majority. Be careful.

Funny thing that....I was in a predominately Muslim country and no one whipped me, beat me, kicked me, mocked me, etc. for not wearing Hijab. And there were plenty of women NOT wearing hijab. Saudi Arabia, although it comes the closest to following Sharia Law, has incorportated man made laws that are outside the teachings of Islam. That is NOT Islam. You cannot force people to do anything. Anything I do...good or bad, I alone will answer to on the day of judgement. It's not rocket science. You do it....you own it.

By the way, when I visited this Muslim country, I was a Christian and you can't imagine how many Muslims offered to drive me to the church so I could pray. No one blind-folded me and beat me into submission, no one scolded me for being non-muslim. I wish I could say the same about the Christian community here. Many Christians here seem to think telling me that both me and my son are going to Hell for being Muslim is the answer. How very Christ-like.....just gives you warm fuzzies, doesn't it???

Again, you speak of things where you don't have knowledge. In Islam, a woman is PROUD to cover, but you call her oppressed because she's not exposing herself like a piece of meat to drool over. The hijab is an act of faith, it protects us from men staring at our bodies and making rude comments, it gives us dignity and ensures modesty. When you approach a Muslimah you're not checking out her body, you're checking out her mind.
When a Nun covers, she's is worshipping God and honouring her faith, but Muslimahs, who do the exact same thing are considered oppressed. oh, by the way, when I was in a Muslim country, not ONCE did I fear walking down the street. EVERYONE, whether I knew them or not, was very protective and concerned of my well being. I wish I could say the same about the west, I can't.

I am PROUD to be a Muslimah, Alhamdulillah! I can assure you, a woman in Islam, particularly a mother is held in the highest esteem!

Again, I highly recommend you learn before you speak. As the saying goes, "Better to let them think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Believe it or not, I say that with all sincerety. You have very wrong ideas about Islam. As followers we are not perfect, but the religion of Islam is. Follow the teachings, not the followers.

Hana
 
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Firstly this whole crucifiction story was written decades after the alleged "crucificition" of Jesus (PBUH), not one person wrote anything during the alleged "crucifiction".

Remember none of Jesus's (PBUH) disciples witnessed the cruxification. Except for Saint Peter, because he denied knowing Jesus (PBUH), the rest of the disciples fled for their lifes, you will know this, if you read the Bible.

Now according to the writings of Saint Peter, which is "banned" from the Bible for some reason. It also says Jesus (PBUH) was not crucified.

The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."

But I, when I had looked, said "Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place."

But he said to me, "I have told you, "Leave the blind alone!". And you, see how they do not know what they are saying. For the son of their glory instead of my servant, they have put to shame."

And I saw someone about to approach us resembling him, even him who was laughing on the tree. And he was filled with a Holy Spirit, and he is the Savior. And there was a great, ineffable light around them,and the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them. And when I looked at him, the one who gives praise was revealed.

And he said to me, "Be strong, for you are the one to whom these mysteries have been given, to know them through revelation, that he whom they crucified is the first-born, and the home of demons, and the stony vessel, in which they dwell, of Elohim, of the cross, which is under the Law. But he who stands near him is the living Savior, the first in him, whom they seized and released, who stands joyfully looking those who did him violence,while they are divided among themselves. Therefore he laughs at their lack of perception, knowing that they are born blind. So then the one susceptible to suffering shall come, since the body is the substitute.But what they released was my incorporeal body. But I am the intellectual Spirit filled with radiant light.He whom you saw coming to me is our intellectual Palermo , which unites the perfect light with my Holy Spirit."

This is exactly what Islam believes.

http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/apoc/fgapcpt.htm
 
About the The Apocalypse of Peter, in early Christianity, Christians believed it was spritually inspired.

Christians had more doubts about the Apocalypse of John which is the Book of Revelations in the NT, than they had about the Apocalypse of Peter.

Yet the Apocalypse of John was included in the NT, but the Apocalypse of Peter was not.

Maybe because the Apocalypse of Peter says that Jesus (PBUH) was not crucified, but someone that looked like him was crucified?

Indeed, the Apocalypse of Peter was popular and had a wide readership. The Muratorian fragment, the earliest existing list of canonic sacred writings of the New Testament, which is assigned on internal evidence to the third quarter of the second century (i.e. ca 175-200), gives a list quite similar to the modern accepted canon, but also includes the Apocalypse of Peter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_Peter
 
To Hana_Aku,

But then I don't get you! In your first message you criticized Christianity because in it women are "oppressed by biblical writings". But then when I explained to you that we actually don't opress women according to biblical writings, yo said that we should!

What is exactly your criticism? That Christianity is too oppressive of women or not oppressive enough?

And a last point, according to you none of the countries that have a Muslim majority is following Islam because in all of them what a women wears is certainly not to be decided by her alone. If you don't believe me, try it yourself in any of those countries. You are proud of your freedom to wear your conservative islamic dress or not according to you own will. But perhaps that is because you live in a country that doesn't have yet a Muslim majority. Be careful.

I agree totally with Hana_Aku.

Alhamdulliah I converted from Christanity as well. No one forced me to wear Hijab, but Allah told me to and I LOVE IT! Even in my western society of Hollywood people.

I have never been more comfortable and am sp proud of covering myself.

The point here is the Bible tells the Women to cover, if they do not then they are not following the Word of GOD.

Simple as that!

Salaam,
sisterKhadija
 
I always been annoyed by how some Christians think that the crucifiction was something originally thought up just for Jesus. Far from it. Crucifiction was a standard method of torture/execution used by the Romans long before Jesus's mom was even born.

After the Spartacus Rebellion, for example (yes, there really was a Spartacus :P), was put down, the surviving rebels were crucified on crosses that lined the road to Rome and their bodies were left there to rot.

And they say Vlad the Impaler was a nutjob. :P
 
I always been annoyed by how some Christians think that the crucifiction was something originally thought up just for Jesus. Far from it. Crucifiction was a standard method of torture/execution used by the Romans long before Jesus's mom was even born.

After the Spartacus Rebellion, for example (yes, there really was a Spartacus :P), was put down, the surviving rebels were crucified on crosses that lined the road to Rome and their bodies were left there to rot.

And they say Vlad the Impaler was a nutjob. :P

that is true
 
well as a muzlim do u have to were the scarf?

Assalam Alakium sister islamgyal!

First, I would say you do not HAVE to do anything. Everything is a choice and it is your free will to follow it or not. The question should be Why should I wear a scarf. I feel we as Muslim women must wear Hijab and as a convert from the West, I am more than happy to do it!

Islam: Submitting our will to the will of Allah SWT

The Arabic word islam simply means "surrender (to Allah)". The essence of our religion is this surrender or submission. It requires trust on our part. Trust that Allah SWT will be there for us, trust that He knows what is best for us.

Submission to Allah SWT requires that we put Him before ourselves. That we put our desires second to His desire for us. That we acknowledge that He knows better than we do what is right for us.

Very often, such submission is difficult. Sometimes it seems that everything that happens is bad, and we wonder how Allah SWT could desire this for us. And sometimes the things He asks of us are difficult to do, either because it seems too much to ask, or because it seems pointless or out of date. In times like this, submission becomes a struggle. We really have to work to find our trust in Allah SWT. We really have to do battle with our souls to admit that what we want or what we think doesn't seem to be what's right or best. Should we bother?

For me, the answer is yes, we should bother. Allah SWT tests us. He sends difficulties our way to see how we cope. He wants to see if we will keep trying even when it's a challenge. He wants to see if we will maintain our faith in Him, and trust in Him. If we do continue to have faith and to trust in Him, then He may reward us with Jannah for our sabr, inshallah. And Jannah is the everlasting reward. Any difficulty we face in the world will seem as fleeting as a nightmare when we look back from the Hereafter, and any ease we face in the world will also seem as fleeting as a dream. We shouldn't set these fleeting states as our goal; we should set the ultimate happiness as our goal. And the ultimate happiness is Jannah.

So if we have hope of Jannah, we should persevere even when it's a struggle for us, and we should keep on trying to perfect our submission to Allah SWT. This is what the religion is about: sabr, jihad, and islam.



Quran and Sunna: The way that Allah SWT has commanded

I mentioned above that part of Islam is trusting that Allah SWT knows what is best for us, and it is submitting to His judgment even if we don't think we agree. If Allah SWT has commanded something that we don't understand or don't like, we shouldn't reject that thing. Instead, we should try to seek its wisdom for ourselves and to change our own minds.

Now, the testimony of faith that we make to become Muslims, or when we assume adult status in the deen, has two parts: laa ilaha ill'Allah and Muhammadan rasul Allah. The first of these, none has the right to be worshiped except Allah, is a statement of our belief that Allah SWT is ruler of all, judge of all, all-knowing, all-powerful. It is He who must be obeyed, and obedience to anybody else is merely conditional and must not be done if they ask us to disobey Allah SWT. And Allah SWT has given us everything we have, our existence, our life, our capabilities, our goodness. If He took any of it away, there is no power that could help us get it back. And we could never repay Him to match what He has given us, or even begin to. However, in his infinite mercy, Allah SWT asks of us only that we obey Him. Isn't it the least that we can do for Him after all that He has done for us?

There is also the second testimony, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. The Prophet (sAas) would not be a messenger if he did not come with a message. And his message is the Quran. We are really also testifying that the Quran is a message from Allah SWT, and therefore, obedience to Allah SWT entails obedience to the Quran, because it is His word.

The Quran also tells us to obey the Prophet (sAas) as well as Allah SWT (see for example Surah an-Nisa ayah 59). It tells us that if we have faith we will take the Prophet (sAas) as the judge of any dispute (Surah an-Nisa ayah 65). It tells us that when both Allah SWT and the Prophet (sAas) have decided a matter it is not for a Muslim or Muslimah to have any further say in that matter (Surah al-Ahzab ayah 36). It tells us that what the Prophet (sAas) has given us, we should take and what he has prohibited to us, we should refrain from (Surah al-Hashr ayah 7). And it tells us that the Prophet (sAas) has been sent not just to deliver the Quran but also to explain it (Surah an-Nahl ayah 44).

How do we determine what the Prophet (sAas) has ordered, in order to obey it?

How do we find out what he judged in disputes so that we can abide by it?

How do we know what he has decided on matters, so that we can submit to it?

How do we discover what he has given, so that we can take it, or what he has prohibited, so we can abstain from it?

How do we learn how he has explained the Quran, so that we can follow that explanation and not other explanations?

The answer to all these questions is that we look at the Sunna. The Sunna is the Quran put into action by the Prophet (sAas). It shows what he ordered, judged, and decided. It shows what he has given us and what he has prohibited to us. It shows how he explained the Quran.

If we do not obey what the Prophet (sAas) has ordered, or abide by what he has judged, or submit to what he has decided, or take what he has given, or refrain from what he has prohibited, or follow his explanation of the Quran - then we have disobeyed Allah SWT.

That is why, if we are sincere about obeying Allah SWT and following His commandments, we should follow both the Quran and the Sunna.



Hijab: A commandment of the Quran and Sunna

In the first part of this article, I have argued that part of our commitment to Allah SWT is to trust that He knows what is best for us and that what He has commanded is what is right. I said that if we find ourselves disliking the way that He has set for us, our challenge is not to ignore or to try to change His command, but rather it is to seek for ourselves the wisdom in the command and to surrender to His will. If we don't like what He has commanded, we should try to change ourselves not Him. We should try to find reasons why His command is right and will be beneficial for us, and we should try to motivate ourselves through this to obey the command.

In the second part of the article, I have established why the Quran and Sunna are where we look to find what Allah SWT has commanded. Neither one can be taken alone but they both go together.

So, what do the Quran and Sunna say about hijab? There are two ayat of the Quran that deal with hijab. These are Surah an-Nur ayah 31 and Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59. Let's look at what these ayat say, and how the Prophet (sAas) has explained them.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

Wa qul li al-mu'minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfazna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa zahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu'ulatihinna aw aba'ihinna aw aba'i bu'ulatihinna aw abna'ihinna aw abna'i bu'ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa'ihinna aw maa malakat aymanu hunna aw at-tabi'ina ghayri ulu'l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl alladhina lam yazharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu'lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami'an, ayyuha al-mu'minun la'allakum tuflihun

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 says:

Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu'minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu'rafna fa laa yu'dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim

O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outergarments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

Together, these two ayat lay out seven commandments for Muslim sisters:

"to lower their gazes"
"to guard their private parts"
"not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it"
"to extend their headcoverings to cover their bosoms"
"not to display their beauty except to their husbands or their fathers..."
"not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide"
"to draw their outergarments close around themselves"
It can be seen that three of these commandments relate to behavior. These are:

lowering the gaze
guarding the private parts
not striking the feet on the ground so as to give knowledge of what is hidden
Lowering the gaze means not looking at what is forbidden to be seen of others. Guarding the private parts means that only the husband is allowed to see or touch them. Not giving knowledge of what is hidden means not posturing or strutting around so as to jangle hidden jewelry or make men think about hidden body parts. All of these are part of what Allah SWT has commanded in regard to hijab.

The other four commandments relate to dress, and can really be expressed as three rules:

not displaying the beauty beyond "what is apparent of it" except to the people listed in 24:31
extending the headcovering to cover the bosom
drawing the outergarment close around
What exactly is the meaning of each of these rules? For this, we need to look to the Sunna, because the Sunna shows us how the Prophet (sAas) explained the Quran.

The Prophet (sAas) explained to Asma bint Abu Bakr (rAa) that the phrase "what is apparent of it" refers to the face and hands. This is narrated by Aisha Umm al-Muminin (rAa), Qatada (rAa), and Asma bint Umais (rAa). This has been confirmed as the explanation of the phrase by the following scholars:

Sahaba: Aisha Umm al-Muminin (rAa), ibn Abbas (rAa), Anas ibn Malik (rAa), and Miswar ibn Makhrama (rAa)

Tabi'un: Ata (rAa), Qatada (rAa), Sa'id ibn Jubayr (rAa), Mujahid (rAa), al-Hasan (rAa), and al-Dahhak (rAa)

Commentators on the Quran: Imam Tabari, Imam Zamakhshari, Imam Razi, and Imam Qurtubi

In fact, the majority of scholars have agreed that the phrase "what is apparent of it" refers to the face and hands. For further information, please see Opinions of Scholars in Favor of Displaying the Face and Hands.

Therefore, the first rule can really be phrased as "do not display the beauty except for the face and hands around non-mahram men". This is the basic rule of hijab. You must recognize it. This is where it comes from. It is nothing other than the Prophet's (sAas) explanation of the Quran.

The second rule is to extend the headcovering (khimar) to cover the bosom. The commentators on the Quran have explained exactly what this command entails:

Imam Abu Abdullah Qurtubi: "Women in those days used to cover their heads with the khimar, throwing its ends upon their backs. This left the neck and the upper part of the chest bare, along with the ears, in the manner of the Christians. Then Allah commanded them to cover those parts with the khimar."

Imam Abu'l-Fida ibn Kathir: "'Extend their khimars to cover their bosoms' means that they should wear the khimar in such a way that they cover their chests so that they will be different from the women of the jahiliyyah who did not do that but would pass in front of men with their chests uncovered and with their necks, forelocks, and earrings uncovered."

From this we can see that the jahili women wore their khimars kaffiyah-style, with the ends tossed over their backs. This covered most of the hair, but left the forelock (front of the hair), the ears, the neck, and the upper chest uncovered. Then when the commandment, "Extend their khimars to cover their bosoms," was revealed, the women secured their khimars around the circles of their faces, fastened them at the chin, and let the ends drape down toward their bosoms. This would cover the forelock, the ears, the neck, and the upper chest, just as Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have indicated. And the end result is clearly a headscarf.

So what we have is that all of the body except the face and hands is commanded to be covered around non-mahram men (by the clause "not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it"), and the covering of the hair, ears, neck, and upper chest is specifically to be accomplished by the khimar (headscarf).

These are the two rules indicated by Surah an-Nur ayah 31, and once we understand how the Prophet (sAas) explained the meaning of the ayah, we can see that it clearly and explicitly sets out the dress of the Muslim sister around non-mahram men: a headscarf and conservative clothing that together cover everything but the face and the hands.

There is also the commandment in Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 to wear a jilbab (outergarment). According to the majority of the scholars, this commandment applies when a sister is outdoors or in open public places (like the market or the masjid). The jilbab is thus the modest Islamic coat that goes over our modest Islamic clothes whenever we would wear a coat.

To learn more about the jilbab, please read my article Evidences for Jilbab. This sets out dalils from the Quran and Sunna, and the opinions of the scholars regarding the jilbab. To summarize the information in that document, the jilbab is any garment that meets the following conditions:

it is an outergarment, an extra layer, something worn over the clothes
it is thick and opaque and loosely cut so that it conceals what is underneath it
if it is worn with a khimar and with socks and shoes, it should cover from the shoulders to the ankles; if it is worn without these, it must cover everything but the face and hands, like a cloak
Again, the jilbab is to be worn outdoors and in open public places. The purpose of wearing the jilbab is to assert our Islamic identity and to provide protection from harassment for us. It is part of our hijab for these locations.

Summary
According to the Quran and Sunna, hijab consists of modest behavior in lowering the gaze, guarding the private parts, and avoiding showing off, and of modest dress. The modest dress includes a headscarf and must cover all of the body except the face and the hands. Outdoors and in open public places, a long coat (jilbab) should be worn in addition to the modest dress commanded by Surah an-Nur ayah 31. Each of these obligations is clearly set out in the Quran and has been explained by the Prophet (sAas).



My challenge to you

To me, the obligations of hijab are clear, explicit, and detailed when I look at both the Quran and the Sunna. There is no question in my mind; I am convinced that Allah SWT has indeed commanded hijab. Inshallah, I hope that after you have studied the dalils I have presented, you agree with me on this. Frankly, I don't see any other interpretation.

If we are agreed that the Quran and the Sunna do command hijab, then the real question is: how important is it to you to follow what Allah SWT has commanded in the Quran and Sunna?

It's your choice. Is it important for you to obey Allah SWT? Do you think you should submit your will to His? Do you believe that He knows what is best for you? Do you think that if you dislike what He has commanded, you should be the one to change, not Him? Are you willing to set aside your dislike and to try to seek the wisdom in what He has commanded? Are you motivated to try to surrender to Him even though it may be difficult for you? Is the promise of Jannah worth going through some hardship now?

Please consider each of these questions. If you are sincere in your commitment to Allah SWT, and in your choice of Islam as a religion, don't you think you should give hijab a try?

SisterKhadija
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MASHALLAH SISTER!!!!! :happy:

Jazak allah khair! That was an excellent response.

Wasalam
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