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this is what I have found of Ibn Kathir:
[وَجَعَلْنَا ذُرِّيَّتَهُ هُمُ الْبَـقِينَ ]
(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors.) "All people descended from the offspring of Nuh, peace be upon him.'' At-Tirmidhi, Ibn Jarir and Ibn Abi Hatim narrated from Samurah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet said, concerning the Ayah,
[وَجَعَلْنَا ذُرِّيَّتَهُ هُمُ الْبَـقِينَ ]
(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors):
«سَامُ، وَحَامُ، وَيَافِث»
(Sam, Ham and Yafith.) Imam Ahmad recorded from Samurah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Messenger of Allah said:
«سَامُ أَبُو الْعَرَبِ، وَحَامُ أَبُو الْحَبَشِ، وَيَافِثُ أَبُو الرُّوم»
(Sam was the father of the Arabs, Ham was the father of the Ethiopians and Yafith was the father of the Romans.)'' This was also recorded by At-Tirmidhi. What is meant here by Romans is the original Romans, i.e., the Greeks who claimed descent from Ruma (Roma) the son of Liti, the son of Yunan, the son of Yafith, the son of Nuh, peace be upon him.
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=37&tid=44185
Can I find anything to confirm my understanding, I think it is common sense? for who would those of his progeny mate with, if there were only Noah (p) and three sons? you need women.. you should also average in that other survivors, may have been old, or barren or their offspring perished at some point if all that remained were the progeny of Noah!
also apparent from the verse:
But they rejected him, and We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark: but We overwhelmed in the flood those who rejected Our signs. They were indeed a blind people! (Surat al-Araf: 64)
Thereafter We drowned those who remained behind. (Surat ash-Shuara: 120)
We (once) sent Nuh to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin. (Surat al-Ankaboot: 14)
We saved him and those who adhered to him. By Our mercy, and We cut off the roots of those who rejected Our signs and did not believe. (Surat al-Araf: 72)
and Allah swt knows best.
this is my best understanding, anything beyond this I believe you have to direct to a scholar and not lay-men
[وَجَعَلْنَا ذُرِّيَّتَهُ هُمُ الْبَـقِينَ ]
(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors.) "All people descended from the offspring of Nuh, peace be upon him.'' At-Tirmidhi, Ibn Jarir and Ibn Abi Hatim narrated from Samurah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Prophet said, concerning the Ayah,
[وَجَعَلْنَا ذُرِّيَّتَهُ هُمُ الْبَـقِينَ ]
(And, his progeny, them We made the survivors):
«سَامُ، وَحَامُ، وَيَافِث»
(Sam, Ham and Yafith.) Imam Ahmad recorded from Samurah, may Allah be pleased with him, that the Messenger of Allah said:
«سَامُ أَبُو الْعَرَبِ، وَحَامُ أَبُو الْحَبَشِ، وَيَافِثُ أَبُو الرُّوم»
(Sam was the father of the Arabs, Ham was the father of the Ethiopians and Yafith was the father of the Romans.)'' This was also recorded by At-Tirmidhi. What is meant here by Romans is the original Romans, i.e., the Greeks who claimed descent from Ruma (Roma) the son of Liti, the son of Yunan, the son of Yafith, the son of Nuh, peace be upon him.
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=37&tid=44185
Can I find anything to confirm my understanding, I think it is common sense? for who would those of his progeny mate with, if there were only Noah (p) and three sons? you need women.. you should also average in that other survivors, may have been old, or barren or their offspring perished at some point if all that remained were the progeny of Noah!
also apparent from the verse:
But they rejected him, and We delivered him, and those with him, in the Ark: but We overwhelmed in the flood those who rejected Our signs. They were indeed a blind people! (Surat al-Araf: 64)
Thereafter We drowned those who remained behind. (Surat ash-Shuara: 120)
We (once) sent Nuh to his people, and he tarried among them a thousand years less fifty: but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin. (Surat al-Ankaboot: 14)
We saved him and those who adhered to him. By Our mercy, and We cut off the roots of those who rejected Our signs and did not believe. (Surat al-Araf: 72)
and Allah swt knows best.
this is my best understanding, anything beyond this I believe you have to direct to a scholar and not lay-men
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