Prophethood ended?

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Insaanah said:
You believe he died and was buried in Indian Kashmir, correct?
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That's what they believe but apparently even their muqallid prophet wasn't sure, he mentioned at least 2 places where he is buried.

Poor guy must have been confused.

As they say, lies have no legs.
 
Insaanah said:
How it has been used for other people is not how one determines the meaning in the Qur'an. This is a non-argument.



Nice try, but it does not mean best nor praise. We are not going to take peaceforall as our mufassir of the Qur'an. We take Allah's words, we take the Prophet's (sallalahu alayhi wa sallam) explanation as recorded in the hadeeth, then we look at the righteous sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them), their students, and the early righteous scholars/mufassireen.

Nor do we take interpretation of Qur'an from non-Muslims.



I am not sure which translation you are using for 4:69, but it is incorrect. The Arabic word used is ma'a, which means with. The translators have translated this as with, or in the company of. It does not mean that we will become prophets - we seek Allah's refuge from such twisting of His words.



No, this refers to his second coming. Clearly Allah says he wasn't killed or crucified, but that Allah took him up to himself.
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Continuing my reply, you mentioned maa'a means with
. Second, the word [ma‘a] here gives the meaning of [min: from among] because Allāh, the Exalted, has Himself clarified its meaning by using the word [min] in the same verse.
Also if we accept your translation what will it mean. it will mean tha we can only be with the righteos and only be with theatyrs by obeying allah and his messnger. This means we can't attain that spirtual rank. While righteous is something we are all suppose to aatin. Also what will be the point of praying 5 times in namaz that grant us blessings.
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The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray." (1:6-7)
Also even your own scholars have translated maa'a as among.
For example:
Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger [i.e., Jesus], so register us among the witnesses [to truth]." (3:53)
The word used in maa'a and is translated as among by Sahee international.
. Our Lord, indeed we have heard a caller [i.e., Prophet Muúammad ()] calling to faith, [saying], 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord, so forgive us our sins and remove from us our misdeeds and cause us to die among the righteous.
(4:193)
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Now when talking about raising Hdhrat Isa (as) the word you are referring to is rafaa'a bu the fact is that whenever this verse has been used in the Holy Qur'an for a human being it always means spirtual exatation, not physical
For example:
"And mention in the Book, Idrees. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. And We raised him to a high station." (19:56-57)
The word used is rafaa'a and is translated by Sahee international as a spirtual exaltation. Now if we use your understanding, it wil mean that Hadhray Idrees (as) was also raised to heaven. There is no proof for this however. Also:
Those messengers – some of them We caused to exceed others. Among them were those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in degree. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs, and We supported him with the Pure Spirit [i.e.,Gabriel]. If Allah had willed, those [generations] succeeding them would not have fought each other after the clear proofs had come to them. But they differed, and some of them believed and some of them disbelieved. And if Allah had willed, they would not have fought each other, but Allah does what He intends.
The word used once again is rafaa'a and translated as a spirtual exaltation by Sahee International.
In Lisanal Arab it is stated: The name rafi is among the names of allah because he elevates a believer with good fortune and his friends with nearness. The word rafa means to bring one thing close to another. One of the attributes of Allah itself is Al-Rafi, the One who Exalts. It’s been his law since the start of creation and never was it bodily.
Also don't you know that we pray 5 times a day to exalt us and word is rafaa'a"
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: “When praying at night (Qiyamul-Lail), the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say between the two prostrations: ‘Rabbighfir li warhamni wajburni warzuqni warfa’ni (O Lord, forgive me, have mercy on me, improve my situation, grant me provision and raise me in status).’” (Ibn Maja book 1, vol 5, hadith 898)
Now do we pray to be lifted literally. Also why wasn't this prayer of the Holy Prophet (sa) (God Forbid) not accepted.
Also physical raising is refuted in Islam:
Or you have a house of ornament [i.e., gold] or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" (17:93).
When the Meccans told the Holy Prophet (sa) to go up i the sky Allah responded by he is only a mortal. Now if you translated rafaa'a here as literal raising up, the disbelievers will have a huge allegation for you believe that Hadhrat Isa (as) was raised up. ALso it will mean that Hadhrat Isa (as) isn't a mortal or a messenger.
This should suffice for now. But brother I urge you to ponder on these verses. These are translations by your scholars.
Wassalam
 
Peaceforall said:
Continuing my reply, you mentioned maa'a means with
. Second, the word [ma‘a] here gives the meaning of [min: from among] because Allāh, the Exalted, has Himself clarified its meaning by using the word [min] in the same verse.
Also if we accept your translation what will it mean. it will mean tha we can only be with the righteos and only be with theatyrs by obeying allah and his messnger. This means we can't attain that spirtual rank. While righteous is something we are all suppose to aatin. Also what will be the point of praying 5 times in namaz that grant us blessings.
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The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray." (1:6-7)
Also even your own scholars have translated maa'a as among.
For example:
Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger [i.e., Jesus], so register us among the witnesses [to truth]." (3:53)
The word used in maa'a and is translated as among by Sahee international.
. Our Lord, indeed we have heard a caller [i.e., Prophet Muúammad ()] calling to faith, [saying], 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord, so forgive us our sins and remove from us our misdeeds and cause us to die among the righteous.
(4:193)
This is also translated by sahee international​
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Now when talking about raising Hdhrat Isa (as) the word you are referring to is rafaa'a bu the fact is that whenever this verse has been used in the Holy Qur'an for a human being it always means spirtual exatation, not physical
For example:
"And mention in the Book, Idrees. Indeed, he was a man of truth and a prophet. And We raised him to a high station." (19:56-57)
The word used is rafaa'a and is translated by Sahee international as a spirtual exaltation. Now if we use your understanding, it wil mean that Hadhray Idrees (as) was also raised to heaven. There is no proof for this however. Also:
Those messengers – some of them We caused to exceed others. Among them were those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in degree. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs, and We supported him with the Pure Spirit [i.e.,Gabriel]. If Allah had willed, those [generations] succeeding them would not have fought each other after the clear proofs had come to them. But they differed, and some of them believed and some of them disbelieved. And if Allah had willed, they would not have fought each other, but Allah does what He intends.
The word used once again is rafaa'a and translated as a spirtual exaltation by Sahee International.
In Lisanal Arab it is stated: The name rafi is among the names of allah because he elevates a believer with good fortune and his friends with nearness. The word rafa means to bring one thing close to another. One of the attributes of Allah itself is Al-Rafi, the One who Exalts. It’s been his law since the start of creation and never was it bodily.
Also don't you know that we pray 5 times a day to exalt us and word is rafaa'a"
It was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbas said: “When praying at night (Qiyamul-Lail), the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say between the two prostrations: ‘Rabbighfir li warhamni wajburni warzuqni warfa’ni (O Lord, forgive me, have mercy on me, improve my situation, grant me provision and raise me in status).’” (Ibn Maja book 1, vol 5, hadith 898)
Now do we pray to be lifted literally. Also why wasn't this prayer of the Holy Prophet (sa) (God Forbid) not accepted.
Also physical raising is refuted in Islam:
Or you have a house of ornament [i.e., gold] or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" (17:93).
When the Meccans told the Holy Prophet (sa) to go up i the sky Allah responded by he is only a mortal. Now if you translated rafaa'a here as literal raising up, the disbelievers will have a huge allegation for you believe that Hadhrat Isa (as) was raised up. ALso it will mean that Hadhrat Isa (as) isn't a mortal or a messenger.
This should suffice for now. But brother I urge you to ponder on these verses. These are translations by your scholars.
Wassalam
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Where is 'Eesa right now?
 
That was in the beginning when he was first doing his research. He first proposed two places.
 
Assalamoalaikum
I have already replied to this and cited many scholars that agree with me.
 
Peaceforall said:
That was in the beginning when he was first doing his research. He first proposed two places.
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So your prophet came to this conclusion based on 'research'.

What a prophet.

And here I though prophet's received revelation from Allah and didn't talk out of their desires.
 
Peaceforall said:
Assalamoalaikum
I have already replied to this and cited many scholars that agree with me.
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Can you quote the posts you are replying too, or is that too much a task for you?

I guess it, since you believe in a muqallid prophet.

What have you replied to?
 
Even the HOly Prophet (sa0 never eecieved direct knowledge sometimes. For example, when he got the dream of going to Hajj He thought it was the same year, But it was actually next year. Prophets aren't all-knowing. Besides it is God who is Guiding The Promised Messiah (as)
 
Peaceforall said:
Even the HOly Prophet (sa0 never eecieved direct knowledge sometimes. For example, when he got the dream of going to Hajj He thought it was the same year, But it was actually next year. Prophets aren't all-knowing. Besides it is God who is Guiding The Promised Messiah (as)
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Why are you calling him the 'Promised' Messiah?

Who promised him?

And stop ignoring my previous posts, reply to them.
 
Hadhrat Isa (as) passed away as all prophets have passed away
And when Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’”, he will answer, “Holy art Thou. I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things. “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things. (Chapter 5 Verses 117-118)
“And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.” (Chapter 3 verse 145)
 
Linkdeutscher said:
Surah Baqarah destroying Qadianism with one verse:

والذين يؤمنون بما أنزل إليك وما أنزل من قبلك وبالآخرة هم يوقنون


And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

(2:4)

NO MENTION OF SOMETHING BEING REVEALED AFTER HIM (Muhammad :saws:)!

End of the story.
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^^

For the third time, let's see your reply to this one.
 
I have already replied to this I will paste it here again. Just one moment
 
Peaceforall said:
Hadhrat Isa (as) passed away as all prophets have passed away
And when Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’”, he will answer, “Holy art Thou. I could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things. “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things. (Chapter 5 Verses 117-118)
“And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful.” (Chapter 3 verse 145)
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If the verse of the Quran says Eesa is dead, then why are you calling Mirza the promised messiah? Who promised that a messiah will come?
 
This is a reply to the brother who just post verse (2:4). First of all within what is revealed, that is the Holy Qur'an it is mentioned a prophet will come and when he does we have to accept him. For example the prophecy of the second coming of Hadhrat Isa(as). Also the Holy Qur'an states, "O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.; (7:36).
The In addition, Allāh, the Exalted, uses the f‘ailmudhāri‘ formation in the above verse while addressing thechildren of Adam which means that this still applies toeveryone today and will be applicable to everyone until the LastDay.
Now on the word Al- Akhir. First of all it is not the last day that is mentioned for the word youm is no where mentioned in the verse. The word “al-Akhir” (what is yet to come” means either “the message or revelation which is to follow” or “the Last Abode”, i.e. the next life. the first meaning is more applicable here for it fits in with the other two parts of the verse which speaks of God’s revelations.
"The subject of the matter of the latter part of this verse, referred to in the words, “what is yet to come” finds further explanation in 6:3,4 where the Qur’an speaks of two advents of the Holy Prophet. His first advent took place among the Arabs in the 7th century of the Christian era when the Qur’an was revealed to him; and his second advent was to take place in the latter days of the world in the person of one of his followers who was to come in his spirit and power. This prophecy found its fulfillment in the person of Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, in whose advent have been fulfilled also the prophecies of other Prophets regarding the appearance of a World-Messenger in the latter days” (Five Volume Commentary of The Holy Qur’an page 35)
Examples:
Now, if you do well, you will do well for your own souls; and if you do evil, it wil lonly go against them. So when the time for the latter warning came, We raised a people against you to cover your faces with grief, and to enter the Mosque as they entered it the first time, and to destroy all that they conquered with utter destruction. (Chapter 17 Verse 8)
In this the word used is al-akhir, but even your own translator, Muhsin Khan has translated it as the latter warning.
Also:
We have not heard of this evenin the latest religion. This is nothing but a fabrication.(Chapter 38 Verse 8)
Pickthall has translated it as the latest religion while Yusuf Ali has translated it as the people of these latter days
This should suffice, but many examples can be cited.
 
One more thing:

Space your posts out properly.

Like this.

Not like this:

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Peaceforall said:
This is a reply to the brother who just post verse (2:4).

First of all within what is revealed, that is the Holy Qur'an it is mentioned a prophet will come and when he does we have to accept him.

Show me where the Quran mentions this.

For example the prophecy of the second coming of Hadhrat Isa(as). Also the Holy Qur'an states, "O children of Adam! if Messengers come to you from among yourselves, rehearsing My Signs unto you, then whoso shall fear God and do good deeds, on them shall come no fear nor shall they grieve.; (7:36).

I thought you just said the Quran says Eesa is dead, now you are saying that he will come again. Are you stupid?
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Yes? Let's see your 'reply', ummm I mean the copy paste you have no clue about yourself.
 
I ahve already talked about this, When the Holy Prophet (sa) mentioned the second coming of Hadhrat Isa (as). He meant it metaphorically. The same thing happened to Hadhrat Elija (as). It was prophecised that he will come before Hadhrat Isa (as), but he never came. Instead it was a metaphorical coming in the person of John the Baptist or Hadhrat Yahya (as) and also Allah's way doesn't change.
Such has been the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away before, and thou wilt never find a change in the way of Allah. (33:63)

 
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